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On June 19 2017 21:24 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 21:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 19 2017 20:20 darthfoley wrote:On June 19 2017 19:03 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 19 2017 19:00 darthfoley wrote:On June 19 2017 18:36 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 19 2017 18:17 disformation wrote:one or more? On June 19 2017 08:23 darthfoley wrote:On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflaresicklucker (2): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax Koshi (1): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivaxmarvellosity (1): Koshi, Tumblewood Skynx (1): VayneAuthority ruXxar (0): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax, annulTumblewood (0): ruXxarPalmar (0): sickluckerraynpelikoneet (0): Xatalos, sicklucker, TumblewoodPalmar (0): Koshi, Skynxbeentheredonethat (0): KoshiEversince (0): sickluckerNot voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity Half the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar.
Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. Updated since everyone but skynx and me on that wagon already flipped that would be quite hard. and while i appreciate some paranoia, i am not sure how you are going to read me as scum outside of tinfoil.^^ I think it's possible for darth, skynx and you to be scum Skynx and darth over you though. Let me get some of what you're smoking please. There's like a 0.1% chance I'm mafia yet you say the person scum!Xata "red checked" is more town than the person/main reason Xata died in the first place I'm interested in the math behind this Trump-like "0.1% chance I'm mafia" statement. It's plain bullshit. You pushed a scummer and went through it, congrats, I did the same, except I afk'ed D1 and ended up voting Koshi instead of Xata. Yet you scumread me and claim to be 99.9% town? Lol, stop equating my pushing with yours. I actually voted for the scum while you wasted yours on confirmed town for bullshit reasons of one sentence in one post lol. My vote on or off Xata was super irrelevant D2. I could've voted Hillary, Trump, Xata or he-who-must-not-be-named. No difference at all. And how is Chezitwo confirmed town? And of course you're right, I cannot equate your push with mine. After all, my push was earlier than yours and you picked up what I said, then you proceeded to get scum lynched. Good stuff but that doesn't make me scum; nor does it confirm you as town. Of course it puts you super high on the town list but given the ease with which Xata went down (no fight, auto, no scum even bothering to put someone else on the table in spite of the Ruxxar bait) I'm not clearing anyone who pushed him yet. I never said Chezitwo was confirmed town
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On June 19 2017 21:38 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 21:33 disformation wrote:
though. that bait was like 3mins b4 deadline.
how likely is it that two ppl bite? Or it was a justification after the fact for refusing to jump on xata despite the earlier post which looks quite poor. How many people were toying with the idea of voting xata at the time?
I mean - how does baiting someone at this point make any sense if you do not even switch yourself? It is all very weird.
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On June 19 2017 21:48 disformation wrote:
also took a brief look at some older grack games. dont particular think he look a lot like his old games overall. regardless of alignment.
but i wasnt looking very hard cause tired af and reading old filter of games i wasnt even playing in makes me even more tired. xD
I can confirm that this grack does not look like the town or scum grack of the past so far. Really weak performance in any case.
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On June 19 2017 22:32 darthfoley wrote:Grack on annul/Xata: + Show Spoiler +On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.
i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas. Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. Weird that he wants to vote Koshi while also scumreading annul for his commitment to the Koshi push. On June 16 2017 07:30 Grackaroni wrote:
Xatalos was pretty meh. I legitimately don't think he has been any more meh than disfo. The one scum game I remember from him he played a very aggressive style. On June 16 2017 07:55 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:48 disformation wrote:
grack comment on the ninja?
not complaining though.
have a hell of a hard time decicing between annul and xata I don't have much to say beyond what I've said decently in my filter. Annul seems like a better lynch than Xatalos to me. HF push on SL seems a lot more agenda driven than HF believing he has a bulletproof case. There's really only that one previous line I quoted as to why he thinks annul is a better lynch than Xatalos. Very weak defense right here. This is basically his entire filter btw. Super lackluster Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2017 08:51 Rels wrote:
My thoughts catching up. Will vote marv tomorrow if he still haven't posted. Otherwise ruxxar or Eversince.
ruxxar:
- "I like it" on a disfo post that didn't deserve any of it. Not that it deserved scum points. But nothing to like in it.
- buying SL's red check. Propose we lynch Eversince, then SL if she flips green. No game vision. Gullible.
Skynx:
- good first post on ruxxar's post where he said "I liked it".
Koshi:
- didn't understand Skynx' post on ruxxar when it was the best post in the thread yet. Uncharacteristic. Bad.
- called rayn's attack on bad disfo a defense. Bad.
- good post on BTBT being bad
- a Koshi town post "mm Vivax might be mafia" out of nowhere
- p35. Lock town.
disfo:
- pretty gullible. That's scummy. Bought SL's red check.
- had a throwaway read on Koshi, HF picked it up, and he had a weird reason to vote Koshi. Weird stuff all around.
rayn:
- picked up that above stuff on disfo. Good.
Vivax:
- entered the thread liking Skynx' post. Good.
- liking the annul's post I liked. Good.
BTDT:
- called Koshi town for no reason
- turned around on voting Koshi when he decided HF was serious on Koshi
- townie posts though (p 21)
annul:
- calling the HF vs Koshi as it is pretty likely to be (HF screwing around) => good
DF:
- also understanding Skynx post + doing his own thing (p 18). Dunno why he doesn't like Xata though. Didnt find anything Xata did so far was AI.
- nice post explaining why Xata is scummy. Convincing too, the bit where Xata missed Skynx' logic.
Damdred:
- weird that he starts playing calling some people scummy, when usually he's super unsure D1 and tries to build a "no-lynch" list rather than the opposite.
- though he's thinking about the game as a whole. Having a "rayn scum means Koshi no scum" mindset. Even though that mindset is bad, especially D1, it's townie.
FF:
- liking the question to ruxxar. Is evolving his read based on what's happening. Doubting too, then getting back to it.
Eversince:
- answering FF's questions about what are the things against rayn, then saying she doesn't see the things against rayn. Weird. Maybe scum and entered the thread with an answer to FF to have an easy good looking first post.
Grack:
- weird, against sentiment reads, but I can follow them. Good.
Xata:
- good post on ruxxar.
rayn:
- LOL butthurt defense in his huge post when it was 100% uneeded, just for the ego. Pretty likely town. So here, annul is good = town. Xata is also good = town. But he likes my case on Xata and calls it convincing. On June 16 2017 07:05 Rels wrote:
I don't think Xata is scum. I can follow his logic in his filter. Uhh... okay. Never explains this. On June 16 2017 07:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On June 16 2017 07:08 annul wrote:
xatalos revote to sicklucker and i will do the same, putting him in the lead I guess I'll do that if there's just no other choice. I don't really see how SL is the best lynch here tho Why do you assume annul is town there ? This feels like a little TMI from Rels. I don't think Xata was "assuming" annul was town, but I could be wrong. These posts actually make Rels look much better, I think. On June 16 2017 07:16 Rels wrote:and WTF annul if you're scumreading SL way more than Xata why did you vote Xata instead of SL ? When voting SL then: Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 06:42 Half the Sky wrote:Vote Count - Day 1 Xatalos (4): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation annul (3): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast sicklucker (3): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax ruXxar (2): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax, annul Koshi (1): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivaxmarvellosity (1): Koshi, Tumblewood Skynx (1): VayneAuthority Tumblewood (0): ruXxarPalmar (0): sickluckerraynpelikoneet (0): Xatalos, sicklucker, TumblewoodPalmar (0): Koshi, Skynxbeentheredonethat (0): KoshiEversince (0): sickluckerNot voted (7): Rels, Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity, Grackaroni, Eversince Half the Sky is getting ready to throw Xatalos out of her whiskey bar.
Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. would have put SL over you ? On June 16 2017 07:23 Rels wrote:
Don't see a town motivation on annul's vote on Xata then begging Xata to vote SL.
EITHER he prefers to lynch SL, then voting SL at that point puts him above him with 1 hour to see what happens
OR he prefers Xata, but why the begging to Xata so he votes SL then
Doesn't make any sense. Scum. Very likely On June 16 2017 07:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:35 Rels wrote:On June 16 2017 07:33 annul wrote:
no, if he switched i actually would too, because he could always switch onto me anyway once he figured out i was bluffing if i was bluffing.
like the math is sound. it is ENTIRELY a self preservation move. i do not want to do this; i would prefer other lynches mmmmmmmmm No the math fucking doesn't. YES you're one vote less with the switch compared to the main wagon. BUT NOW INSTEAD OF LYNCHING YOUR SCUMREAD IF THERE ARE NO OTHER VOTES YOU RE LYNCHING YOUR TOWNREAD. Without switch: Xatalos (5): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul annul (4): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xata sicklucker (3): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax With switch: sicklucker (5): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax, Xata, annul Xatalos (4): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation annul (3): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast I still don't like how Rels discussed annul/Xata early game, and that much of his vote on annul came EoD rather than for reasons earlier. But the logic is sound and much better than Grack's. Rels could still be scum, but he hid his tracks pretty well through the vote
The thing is:
I read EOD1 - annul was fighting for his life and pretty obvious town in the end. I think both Grack and Rels should be smart enough to see that as town. Rels should also see that self preservation is not scummy in the slightest. He is way overblowing the supposed inconsistency he found in annuls logic. Very convenient thing to push if your roleblocker is on the chopping block.
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Apparently you younguns are way faster than me.
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On June 19 2017 22:48 disformation wrote:
just remembered palmar is "playing" this too.
*facepalm*
i think i am ordering a full shooting squad and a full police department.
Let me blow your mind even more:
7)Tumblewood
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On June 19 2017 22:52 darthfoley wrote:
This game is funny because all the blues besides me and disformation are trying to be scummy to survive the 2kp NKs, while the 3rd party is trying to be inactive to survive, while the mafia are being inactive to survive.
So much inactivity, so much surviving!
hehe
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On June 19 2017 23:09 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 22:49 Chezitwo wrote:On June 19 2017 22:48 disformation wrote:
just remembered palmar is "playing" this too.
*facepalm*
i think i am ordering a full shooting squad and a full police department. Let me blow your mind even more: 7)Tumblewood at least tw has posts with relateable reads: Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 03:13 Tumblewood wrote:
notes after reading like 10 pages:
i like ever's case on pg 101. so df and rux are 98% town
ruxxar continues to be weird and inane - fundamentally not getting the power dynamic. [ACTUALLY his later stuff is solid vote analysis]
i like that one rels post on pg 106
sl is insane town. egotistic in an sl sort of way whereas palmar is like: Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 16:39 Palmar wrote:
I clicked darthfoley's filter. I don't like it much, and I would expect him to be a relatively easy townread if he was town. I think he is a good candidate for being mafia.
Maybe. But doing very little without hiding it is less scummy to me in a vacuum. And unrelatable reads aren't that much of a great scumtell either.
I wonder why TW is not more prominent in everyones scumreads considering he totally wasted his vote. On a townie I might add.
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On June 19 2017 23:34 Vivax wrote:
Palmar is wildcardy but I can see him as town more easily than rayn even. I can see why he plays with that attitude at least.
I've read rayn's big post but it lacks direction. Hope that he posts more and adresses my old issue with his read on Palmar that he hasn't picked up on yet.
BTDT I actually still think is town cause of his actions around Koshi D1. They felt pushy and townie and he was on a wavelength with a bunch of other townies on Koshi. Also the dick posts earn him some town points imo. I really don't think he's mafia right now.
If I ignore ruxxar I'm currently operating under Grack/ES/VA/rayn mafia.
Can you explain the VA read?
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I see. I don't think I agree with that kind of reasoning.
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On June 19 2017 23:39 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 23:36 Chezitwo wrote:On June 19 2017 23:34 Vivax wrote:
Palmar is wildcardy but I can see him as town more easily than rayn even. I can see why he plays with that attitude at least.
I've read rayn's big post but it lacks direction. Hope that he posts more and adresses my old issue with his read on Palmar that he hasn't picked up on yet.
BTDT I actually still think is town cause of his actions around Koshi D1. They felt pushy and townie and he was on a wavelength with a bunch of other townies on Koshi. Also the dick posts earn him some town points imo. I really don't think he's mafia right now.
If I ignore ruxxar I'm currently operating under Grack/ES/VA/rayn mafia. Can you explain the VA read? With the little in his filter it's these two reasons atm: - he pinged ES post as scummiest in the thread D1 among the first and did nothing with it, not even explained why. - His case on FF came across as opportunistic when ppl were calling Rels/Grack/ES mafiaish at the time, IIRC. Grossly from memory but at the time it felt out of place and on the wrong person on top of it.
Ok, when you put it this way your second point is not that bad providing FF is actually town. The first point seems like standard town!VA to me.
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On June 19 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote:
Chezi what's your opinion on the other guys I mentioend?
The other 3 can easily be mafia in my opinion.
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It's just that there are so many people who can easily be mafia. Besides TW BH also comes to mind with his unnecessary Xata push and btdt bashing yesterday.
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On June 20 2017 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 22:05 disformation wrote:
to be fair i was also tring fefe fairly hard earlier in the game just for tone/effort.
outside of his xata read and the strange bait I also was okay with his filter.
he also points out that sl's read on xata is crap.
though there is the slight inconsistency that he says "well its cool that xata posted his reads b4 afking" and "oh sl is wrong, xatas reads were super stale".
though i normally read fefe the best when i can interact with him a bit. which is kinda hard cause really different time zones.
but i'd really would like him to talk about that bait a bit. I'm here. Regarding the bait I was pretty confident that annul would flip scum and when someone switched last second based on my fake switch I would have pushed them as the next scum. Obviously it was a pretty stupid plan because even if annul flipped scum the person who I baited was town.
This is not very convincing. Also it would be nice if you justified a lynch of my spot with something else than "the first guy was afk" which is a hilariously bad argument.
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On June 20 2017 01:07 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 19 2017 22:05 disformation wrote:
to be fair i was also tring fefe fairly hard earlier in the game just for tone/effort.
outside of his xata read and the strange bait I also was okay with his filter.
he also points out that sl's read on xata is crap.
though there is the slight inconsistency that he says "well its cool that xata posted his reads b4 afking" and "oh sl is wrong, xatas reads were super stale".
though i normally read fefe the best when i can interact with him a bit. which is kinda hard cause really different time zones.
but i'd really would like him to talk about that bait a bit. I'm here. Regarding the bait I was pretty confident that annul would flip scum and when someone switched last second based on my fake switch I would have pushed them as the next scum. Obviously it was a pretty stupid plan because even if annul flipped scum the person who I baited was town. This is not very convincing. Also it would be nice if you justified a lynch of my spot with something else than "the first guy was afk" which is a hilariously bad argument.
^^^
and it is also very weak if that's the best thing you have against someone at this point. Especially considering we have a whole wagon of people who saved a mafia pr to lynch.
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On June 20 2017 01:10 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:07 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 19 2017 22:05 disformation wrote:
to be fair i was also tring fefe fairly hard earlier in the game just for tone/effort.
outside of his xata read and the strange bait I also was okay with his filter.
he also points out that sl's read on xata is crap.
though there is the slight inconsistency that he says "well its cool that xata posted his reads b4 afking" and "oh sl is wrong, xatas reads were super stale".
though i normally read fefe the best when i can interact with him a bit. which is kinda hard cause really different time zones.
but i'd really would like him to talk about that bait a bit. I'm here. Regarding the bait I was pretty confident that annul would flip scum and when someone switched last second based on my fake switch I would have pushed them as the next scum. Obviously it was a pretty stupid plan because even if annul flipped scum the person who I baited was town. This is not very convincing. Also it would be nice if you justified a lynch of my spot with something else than "the first guy was afk" which is a hilariously bad argument. It would be abad argument if marv wasn't notroious for afkig when he rolls scum
The way this actually works is:
Marv joins a game. Is very responsive and talkative in the pregame. Rolls mafia, makes 2-3 half-assed posts and then gives up. Sometimes not even that - sometimes he actually tries! Especially if he hasn't played scum in a while.
It does not work like this:
Marv joins a game and never ever posts again in the thread until he gets replaced.
Either RL got him or he just forgot about the game. Or both.
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On June 20 2017 01:11 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:09 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 01:07 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 19 2017 22:05 disformation wrote:
to be fair i was also tring fefe fairly hard earlier in the game just for tone/effort.
outside of his xata read and the strange bait I also was okay with his filter.
he also points out that sl's read on xata is crap.
though there is the slight inconsistency that he says "well its cool that xata posted his reads b4 afking" and "oh sl is wrong, xatas reads were super stale".
though i normally read fefe the best when i can interact with him a bit. which is kinda hard cause really different time zones.
but i'd really would like him to talk about that bait a bit. I'm here. Regarding the bait I was pretty confident that annul would flip scum and when someone switched last second based on my fake switch I would have pushed them as the next scum. Obviously it was a pretty stupid plan because even if annul flipped scum the person who I baited was town. This is not very convincing. Also it would be nice if you justified a lynch of my spot with something else than "the first guy was afk" which is a hilariously bad argument. ^^^ and it is also very weak if that's the best thing you have against someone at this point. Especially considering we have a whole wagon of people who saved a mafia pr to lynch. It doesn't matter if it's weak it's what I have.
It kinda does matter.
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On June 20 2017 01:21 ruXxar wrote:
I'm just trying to gather a list of people who want to lynch grack.
Feel free to sign up:
Lynch grack:
Ruxxar
Disformation
Vivax
Darthfoley
FecalFeast
VayneAuthority
Skynx
Rayn
Eversince
No opinion on grack:
Palmar
Rels
Damdred
BTDT
Blazinghand
Chezitwo
Sicklucker
Thinks grack is town:
Tumblewood
Yo, I already said I would be down. Don't slander me bro.
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On June 20 2017 02:02 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:46 disformation wrote:
random advice time from zen master disfo:
ideally you want to have two wagons tomorrow
rels/grack for example.
ideally you get them both to show up and post/fight. gives more info.
also should result in a better vc. gives more info. Somehow I feel like that is very unlikely...
You would be surprised how active people get sometimes when you try to lynch them.
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On June 20 2017 06:43 Palmar wrote:
Rels is evil!
I have no idea, I haven't read much lately.
I saw darthfoley thinks btdt is mafia, that is an interesting development as I've previously mentioned suspecting both of them. I also should catch up on what sicklucker is doing.
Chezitwo is probably mafia because marv not playing is like 99% because he rolled mafia. Sucks, but replacements are always more likely to be mafia, and in this case it's especially prevalent.
So, are you claiming it is normal for marv to completely vanish from TL due to rolling mafia? Because if you are not you don't have a leg to stand on.
On June 20 2017 06:58 Rels wrote:
but Grack showing he remembered a random post from Palmar means it's likely he's either scum with marv, or not scum. Cause him remembering this random post means he read Palmar's filter (so he's town) or this post stucked to him 'cause marv is his partner. Most likely
Since when does reading filters/remembering things make someone town?
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