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Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 14 2017 18:37 GMT

#602

On June 15 2017 03:34 Eversince wrote:
@Xata- Why is Rayn a good lynch? Somebody sell me on this. I'm not seeing it at all

I kind of answered that already, in a ninja way.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 14 2017 18:44 GMT

#605

On June 15 2017 03:35 darthfoley wrote:

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I'm more interested in hearing what you make of the game and its players at this point, now that you've caught up.

Fair enough. At this point I mainly dislike ruxxar and rayn - mixed on Koshi. I've already talked about rayn/Koshi so here's some points about ruxxar:

1) Like Skynx pointed out very early on, ruxxar called disfo's opening post a strong post... when it was really null at best. ruxxar later tried to explain it away by saying that it was just a tone read, unrelated to the content, but really? All I got from the tone of disfo's opening post was non-committing/vague, not decisive/relaxed/insightful or things a townie tone should be. Maybe the format wasn't overly polished, but so what? And is it a strong post if it's just bad/unpolished? Felt to me like ruxxar was staying stuff he didn't actually mean and then tried to somehow salvage the situation.

2) This post...

On June 14 2017 22:28 ruXxar wrote:

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This makes it real simple.
Lynch eversince.
If green, lynch sicklucker.

Guaranteed 1 scum down.

...is probably the least town-motivated post I saw so far. Not only is that "plan" bad, but it has a thought process of happily lynching people with little to no reason. Again, not aligning comfortably with a town mindset of making the most out of our lynches, but rather just using them up on someone (like scum would).

3)

On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi

Really....? Now that Koshi has a huge wagon he just sheeps it with no reason whatsoever?

- - -

All in all, I'll be switching my vote to ruxxar.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 14 2017 18:49 GMT

#609

On June 15 2017 03:44 disformation wrote:

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haha. my memory is good!

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i did peak a bit at some of ruxxars old games.
(town ruxxar in nsm13 and scum ruxxar in himalayas)
no similarity with either game. like none at all.
i remember him being a fairly easy town read for me early in nsm13 now.
also from nsm13:
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added some boldage.

On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.

You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.

My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.

so i dont think reading his old filters will help us at all.

Hmm.... Interesting find. I guess he's faithful to his "plan" then.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 14 2017 18:52 GMT

#612

On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.

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but as fefe pointed out:

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Yeah, it's kind of the same thing as when he said "strong first post" and then made a pretty non-fitting explanation for that later on (do you really say a post is a "strong post" if you think it's simply unpolished/bad in a towny way?).

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 14 2017 19:02 GMT

#624

On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:

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On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.

On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:

On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:

On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi

Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar

Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:

On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.

I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

but as fefe pointed out:

On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:

On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:

On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:

On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi

Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar

Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:

On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.

For the second part:

People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.

Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.

Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.

Sometimes when a thing looks scummy/suspicious, it does in fact just come from scum

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 14 2017 19:05 GMT

#628

On June 15 2017 04:01 Holyflare wrote:
Who was saying the koshi wagon is too fast? It has 5 fucking votes on it.

I think I said that first? And FF too at some point?

Anyways, he does actually have 6 votes already with no true challenger. I thought it was 7 but apparently I was wrong. This doesn't mean he can't be 3P, at all, but it feels like he's sinking a bit too easily if scum.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 15 2017 05:18 GMT

#802

rayn: What exactly did you refer to with "I dont think what you and him said makes Koshi mafia."? Because at that point HF's case(?) was basically this: "3P doesn't have a game plan because they dunno who to side with yet. Aka you are 3p. Aka lynch koshbagmcgoo." (Note how he didn't say anything about HF being scummy, just a continuation to the earlier 3P thingy by disfo I think)

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 15 2017 05:39 GMT

#804

Wasn't annul like a real long-term veteran? Compared to that, he seems so unmotivated. His votes are just following the latest fad in the voting thread, and there isn't really anything there besides that. Certainly a possibly scum.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 15 2017 05:44 GMT

#806

I'd like if you could quote the mentioned posts and stuff. Really hard to play on my phone at work.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 15 2017 06:39 GMT

#812

Could you quote where Vivax says those things HF? Sorry it's hard to filter. I do vaguely remember he said that "gospel" thing though and it doesn't seem to match what ever said.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 15 2017 06:42 GMT

#815

Oh, ninja'd.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 15 2017 06:43 GMT

#816

Yeah, I can see what you're getting at. Relevant posts from ever would be nice too though?

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 15 2017 06:45 GMT

#817

Hm yeah seems Ever referenced the case on rayn, but disagreed with it.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 15 2017 06:45 GMT

#818

Pretty far from "gospel"

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 15 2017 07:15 GMT

#821

The Ever read really does seem a bit too forced. Especially the part of Ever saying "here's why rayn is suspected, but I disagree" being represented as somehow "here's why rayn is suspected and I totally agree".

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 15 2017 07:15 GMT

#822

*represented by vivax

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 15 2017 07:18 GMT

#823

There was something I liked about Vivax though, but I already forgot what. I guess the Ever case feels more like scum piling *** on town than the other way around. Doesn't really make sense that they're both scum like you somehow connected or what, HF?

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 15 2017 07:19 GMT

#824

Actually never mind, you just said that they're scummy both on their own..

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 15 2017 17:14 GMT

#1006

I can't be online much until EOD today.. I think I'll be online like 1-2 hours before the deadline and then just have to sleep. Anyways, here are my main reads so far (some people have posted nothing / barely anything so they've been basically ignored in my memory, who knows, would be dice rolling on them).

1) ruxxar: Has a decent amount of posts, but mostly they've been red flags or questionable at best. No spirit of scumhunting so far, just random comments with unbelievable reasoning (like "strong first post!" -> "I didn't like the content, it was just townily unpolished" - ask yourself, does this sound like an excuse thought after the fact of posting a random comment or a genuine thought process? how is it "strong" if it's townily bad?, very, very meh).

2) rayn: Can still easily be scum. He's a very sneaky scum, and I'm still quite confused by his Koshi commentary. Hope he'll explain that soon(TM).

3) annul: I'd have expected so much more after hearing about his reputation (although it seems to be years ago). There's just nothing to write home about in his filter. Nothing extremely scummy, but just no scumhunting, pushing the thread forward or anything. More like reluctant sideline commentary on some things he picked to comment about, things he could easily do as scum and should've done more than that as town.

4) Koshi: Not really sold on him being our best lynch. There was just nothing that I saw screamed "lynch now!", only slightly concerning points in a large amount of activity. TBH some of the discussions on Koshi have went over my head too as I've been reading the game very lacklusterly from my phone etc. In any case, when someone referenced the Koshi case to me earlier it didn't really cause me to want to vote for him.

4) FF: I'd say town. I just had a pleasant feeling reading his posts since the start, felt like he posted what he actually wanted to say and it made sense.

5) HF: Probably town too. Even if he exaggerates a bit in his cases, he's pushing the game forward and doing stuff all the time. Apparently it's also been his intention to generate discussion with stronger than usual pushes. Just feels more like a town game plan to hyper push and focus the attention on himself and his surroundings. As scum there would be easier targets for that than Koshi or rayn or Vivax etc. too, if the intention was to get people mislynched.

6) Vivax: I think what I liked about him earlier was his meta read on me. It felt honest rather than trying to just curry my favor or alternatively spread suspicion on me. Well, I may be biased

Vivax, my main problem with you when I read you sometime today was this post:

On June 15 2017 06:26 Vivax wrote:

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Yeah why would you hate someone who parrots your misreps of rayn like gospel?

...because, even if you called him out on misrepresenting things, that's one of the more blatant misrepresentations in the game in itself. Ever did not in fact ever "parrot" HF. He just referenced the case on rayn when asked, even though he clearly said he disagreed with it. That's far from parroting, it's the opposite.

That's still bothering me. Not sure if it means scum or town Vivax yet though, I think it's not possible to come from either.

7) Eversince: unrelated to that, he is somewhat lackluster. Not fair to say he's "parroting" or "not having original thoughts" though. Clearly that's false. There are original thoughts in his filter, there's just so little of any content there. Conclusion: ???

Rest: no strong opinions one way or another. This might change if I had time to read their filters, but now I'll have to go for some time.

So yeah, ruxxar/annul seem like our best bets today overall.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

June 15 2017 17:15 GMT

#1008

Actually I can still be online for 20-30min. AMA

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