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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 22 2017 13:47 GMT
#4681
I just happened to be around, im reading past scum games of people at the moment.

id say referencing the xatalos/annul lynch is the most concrete evidence we have right now. it remains to be seen whether SL is actually scum or not
I come in for the scraps
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 22 2017 13:51 GMT
#4682
I honestly don't really think sicklucker is mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 22 2017 13:52 GMT
#4683
On June 22 2017 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vayne, what did you mean by this on FF:
Show nested quote +
still tunneling ruxxar even though it makes little sense at this point

just this:
Show nested quote +
Look at it collectively as a progression though. After its proved annul is town and xatalos is likely mafia, he still has this same read of ruxxar mafia. its what happens when you dont want to get on too many people's bad sides and you start stagnating your reads as mafia.

?


in my opinion it is unlikely that xatalos helps start a lynch train on his scum partner that early before we have much of any info, that would be the earliest bus ever. As I always say mafia is a timeline game, and you have to account that most people are not thinking way ahead.

Also just the plain fact that ruxxar has posted a lot and seems engaged in the game/lynching although this is not as relevant to my interests
I come in for the scraps
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 13:55 GMT
#4684
On June 22 2017 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I honestly don't really think sicklucker is mafia.

Why? I think you really should.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 22 2017 13:57 GMT
#4685
On June 22 2017 22:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vayne, what did you mean by this on FF:
still tunneling ruxxar even though it makes little sense at this point

just this:
Look at it collectively as a progression though. After its proved annul is town and xatalos is likely mafia, he still has this same read of ruxxar mafia. its what happens when you dont want to get on too many people's bad sides and you start stagnating your reads as mafia.

?


in my opinion it is unlikely that xatalos helps start a lynch train on his scum partner that early before we have much of any info, that would be the earliest bus ever. As I always say mafia is a timeline game, and you have to account that most people are not thinking way ahead.

Also just the plain fact that ruxxar has posted a lot and seems engaged in the game/lynching although this is not as relevant to my interests

hm. interesting point with the early train. totally did forget about that.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 22 2017 14:01 GMT
#4686
what i really dont like this game is that while we are soon to be on d4, it is still all about the d1 annul/xata trains and that it gives the low volume/low active ppl that were off wagon/not voting d1 even more wiggle room.

i am also somewhat worried that one of the more active players is playing town pretty hard.

and i am really low on good town reads in a game with a bunch of players alive.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 14:04 GMT
#4687
On June 22 2017 23:01 disformation wrote:
what i really dont like this game is that while we are soon to be on d4, it is still all about the d1 annul/xata trains and that it gives the low volume/low active ppl that were off wagon/not voting d1 even more wiggle room.

i am also somewhat worried that one of the more active players is playing town pretty hard.

and i am really low on good town reads in a game with a bunch of players alive.

Then don't make this game about d1. That's quite stupid anyways.

Let's see what rayn comes up with regarding SL. Should not take him too long if he is town.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 22 2017 14:05 GMT
#4688
well trying too.
d2 being auto didnt help.
though i suppose i could look a bit more into readprogression and reasons for votes d3.
hope ill find the time.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 22 2017 14:09 GMT
#4689
On June 22 2017 21:57 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 21:00 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 22 2017 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 22 2017 19:06 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 22 2017 18:55 Blazinghand wrote:
I was the hammer. Rayn made in hammering Impoasbkle. Everything else is window dressing. TW and SL didn't hammer. I did. Get the facts straight


"votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand"
Tumblewood provided the hammer, sicklucker lifted it, you banged it on the table.

I think I have my facts straight here and you're trying to misrepresent my case. Why do you do this?

You don't have your facts straight.

Take my face and ram it onto how it is correctly as town!rayn would do it

and also call me bad as town!rayn would


Rayn and BH are right. You are misrepresenting how the voting went down, and final vote count is absolutely not represenatitve of what the situation looked like.

Therefore your analysis is pretty much void.

The ones who put the deciding votes on a wagon are hammer votes. This is what I am analyzing. And I put all three of them into possible scum range. Do you disagree?
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 22 2017 14:12 GMT
#4690
On June 22 2017 22:55 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I honestly don't really think sicklucker is mafia.

Why? I think you really should.

No i really shouldn't. The case(s) on him are very weak and based on stuff that i don't think make logically sense. Knowing what Grackaroni flipped and the way people on sicklucker pushed (or rather the lack of it) him.

I'll write a more detailed answer in a bit, got friends visiting right now.
table for two on a tv tray
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 22 2017 14:15 GMT
#4691
On June 22 2017 23:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 21:57 ruXxar wrote:
On June 22 2017 21:00 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 22 2017 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 22 2017 19:06 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 22 2017 18:55 Blazinghand wrote:
I was the hammer. Rayn made in hammering Impoasbkle. Everything else is window dressing. TW and SL didn't hammer. I did. Get the facts straight


"votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand"
Tumblewood provided the hammer, sicklucker lifted it, you banged it on the table.

I think I have my facts straight here and you're trying to misrepresent my case. Why do you do this?

You don't have your facts straight.

Take my face and ram it onto how it is correctly as town!rayn would do it

and also call me bad as town!rayn would


Rayn and BH are right. You are misrepresenting how the voting went down, and final vote count is absolutely not represenatitve of what the situation looked like.

Therefore your analysis is pretty much void.

The ones who put the deciding votes on a wagon are hammer votes. This is what I am analyzing. And I put all three of them into possible scum range. Do you disagree?


The hammer votes was BH and Rayn.

Anyone who was reading the thread at the time can confirm that.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 22 2017 14:18 GMT
#4692
On June 22 2017 23:15 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 23:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 22 2017 21:57 ruXxar wrote:
On June 22 2017 21:00 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 22 2017 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 22 2017 19:06 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 22 2017 18:55 Blazinghand wrote:
I was the hammer. Rayn made in hammering Impoasbkle. Everything else is window dressing. TW and SL didn't hammer. I did. Get the facts straight


"votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand"
Tumblewood provided the hammer, sicklucker lifted it, you banged it on the table.

I think I have my facts straight here and you're trying to misrepresent my case. Why do you do this?

You don't have your facts straight.

Take my face and ram it onto how it is correctly as town!rayn would do it

and also call me bad as town!rayn would


Rayn and BH are right. You are misrepresenting how the voting went down, and final vote count is absolutely not represenatitve of what the situation looked like.

Therefore your analysis is pretty much void.

The ones who put the deciding votes on a wagon are hammer votes. This is what I am analyzing. And I put all three of them into possible scum range. Do you disagree?


The hammer votes was BH and Rayn.

Anyone who was reading the thread at the time can confirm that.

Well then BH

Who's all defensive about himself voting Grack, like "I did it and I stand by having done so" and who's pointing to himself as being the hammer. Is that scum being aware of how bad he looks who's trying to bring up points before town can bring it up?
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 22 2017 14:22 GMT
#4693
@chez:
why are you scumreading sl again?
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 22 2017 14:25 GMT
#4694
On June 22 2017 23:18 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 23:15 ruXxar wrote:
On June 22 2017 23:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 22 2017 21:57 ruXxar wrote:
On June 22 2017 21:00 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 22 2017 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 22 2017 19:06 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 22 2017 18:55 Blazinghand wrote:
I was the hammer. Rayn made in hammering Impoasbkle. Everything else is window dressing. TW and SL didn't hammer. I did. Get the facts straight


"votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand"
Tumblewood provided the hammer, sicklucker lifted it, you banged it on the table.

I think I have my facts straight here and you're trying to misrepresent my case. Why do you do this?

You don't have your facts straight.

Take my face and ram it onto how it is correctly as town!rayn would do it

and also call me bad as town!rayn would


Rayn and BH are right. You are misrepresenting how the voting went down, and final vote count is absolutely not represenatitve of what the situation looked like.

Therefore your analysis is pretty much void.

The ones who put the deciding votes on a wagon are hammer votes. This is what I am analyzing. And I put all three of them into possible scum range. Do you disagree?


The hammer votes was BH and Rayn.

Anyone who was reading the thread at the time can confirm that.

Well then BH

Who's all defensive about himself voting Grack, like "I did it and I stand by having done so" and who's pointing to himself as being the hammer. Is that scum being aware of how bad he looks who's trying to bring up points before town can bring it up?


I don't see how that is scummy.
You saw how hard I pushed grack and I would've done it again if I could.
I even said the same thing as BH after the day one lynch.

I dislike BH for a few reasons, but that's not one of them.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 22 2017 14:31 GMT
#4695
The other thing is that you are trying to create a narrative on information that is taken out of context.

The way you're trying to apply them does not reflect the events that actually went down.

Things such as:

- "grack lynch went unopposed". It was actually really close.
- "rayns vote is irrelevant". It was actually very crucial and I would say even more important than BHs vote.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 22 2017 14:39 GMT
#4696
When you say things like that, it makes it very tempting for me to dismiss the rest of your analysis too, when it seems very clear that you are not actually following the game.

Or at least interpreting in a way that I very strongly disagree with.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 22 2017 14:43 GMT
#4697
On June 22 2017 22:55 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I honestly don't really think sicklucker is mafia.

Why? I think you really should.


na ah
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 14:46 GMT
#4698
On June 22 2017 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 22:55 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 22 2017 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I honestly don't really think sicklucker is mafia.

Why? I think you really should.

No i really shouldn't. The case(s) on him are very weak and based on stuff that i don't think make logically sense. Knowing what Grackaroni flipped and the way people on sicklucker pushed (or rather the lack of it) him.

I'll write a more detailed answer in a bit, got friends visiting right now.

This is bullshit and you know it. You are defending him by proxy with this "there were shit cases on him" without even analyzing his play which is very different from the town!SL you should know. You just pick the 1 bad sounding point Rels brought up (SL pushing a lynch day1) and claim that it invalidates the whole SL push. Very scummy thing to do.

I am eagerly awaiting your explanation of how the Grack flip makes SL town but:

You are probably mafia.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 14:49 GMT
#4699
On June 22 2017 23:22 disformation wrote:
@chez:
why are you scumreading sl again?

He is not towny. Town!SL often uses bullshit logic but he usually arrives at decent conclusions. Yet he is pushing this town in a very bad direction without ever reevaluating. Rels brought good stuff up yesterday and also during the night. HF was extremely convinced SL is mafia and I very much respect his reads.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 22 2017 14:54 GMT
#4700
reminds me of my first game here.
i was doc.
sl for some weird mechanical reason was 100% convinced there would be a vet. in a setup where mafia knows the roles.
easy tr.
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