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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 27 2017 23:00 GMT
#5958
lol FF are you baiting again p:
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 27 2017 23:06 GMT
#5971
fuck you palmar
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 27 2017 23:08 GMT
#5975
BH is still 100% scum. Makes no sense otherwise. Other than that I'm fucking lost
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 27 2017 23:09 GMT
#5979
fucking rayn yelling that BH is fucking town and that I'm fucking scum. I want him to be scum. I odn't want that to be town!rayn. But I'm pretty sure it's town!rayn.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 27 2017 23:14 GMT
#5987
On June 28 2017 08:12 Blazinghand wrote:
I like Rels pivoting to me now, classic. Of course now he wants to go on me but not BTDT, because that makes sense??? unless of course, REls is scum. In which case it makes perfect sense. Because he's scum.

lol. Cause I never scumread you this game right. This sealed the deal. You can't explain why you would rather lynch me than your 100% scumread. It doesn't make sense. I'll fight for your lynch. You're conf scum to me.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 28 2017 09:14 GMT
#6046
On June 28 2017 17:51 disformation wrote:
anyway:
town: rayn, va, es
50/50: fefe, skynx
lynchables: rels, btdt

bh is imo town, his eod makes no sense as scum. prolly somewhere between town and 50/50 town lean so to say. like why would scum!bh stick out his neck this hard and try to save palmar when he is scum with rels or it is a tvt? makes little sense to me. to much emotion in bh for scum. not impossible he is setting up a palmar into rels ml in a tvt world, but dunno not feeling it.
fefe got demoted for sitting on his hands eod, while pushing in neither direction.
dont mind skynx eod.

i really dont like btdt's eod and dont see that coming from a town pov, as just outlined.
rels had a bunch of posts i really disliked after the flip and he was a fairly contested counterwagon. maybe should have listened to rayn.

somehow forget about ruxxar. will check later.

Bolded is all wrong. It's exactly something BH can do, as either alignement TBF. The fact that he TRIED to do it 1 hour before; redid it again at deadline; and even admitted it was planned:
On June 28 2017 08:08 Blazinghand wrote:
FUCK

THIS IS ALL BECAUSE I WENT OFF AN HOUR EARLY. I FUCKED THIS UP

makes your "too much emotion in bh for scum" wrong. Since it was planned.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 28 2017 09:16 GMT
#6050
On June 28 2017 18:15 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 18:14 Rels wrote:
On June 28 2017 17:51 disformation wrote:
anyway:
town: rayn, va, es
50/50: fefe, skynx
lynchables: rels, btdt

bh is imo town, his eod makes no sense as scum. prolly somewhere between town and 50/50 town lean so to say. like why would scum!bh stick out his neck this hard and try to save palmar when he is scum with rels or it is a tvt? makes little sense to me. to much emotion in bh for scum. not impossible he is setting up a palmar into rels ml in a tvt world, but dunno not feeling it.
fefe got demoted for sitting on his hands eod, while pushing in neither direction.
dont mind skynx eod.

i really dont like btdt's eod and dont see that coming from a town pov, as just outlined.
rels had a bunch of posts i really disliked after the flip and he was a fairly contested counterwagon. maybe should have listened to rayn.

somehow forget about ruxxar. will check later.

Bolded is all wrong. It's exactly something BH can do, as either alignement TBF. The fact that he TRIED to do it 1 hour before; redid it again at deadline; and even admitted it was planned:
On June 28 2017 08:08 Blazinghand wrote:
FUCK

THIS IS ALL BECAUSE I WENT OFF AN HOUR EARLY. I FUCKED THIS UP

makes your "too much emotion in bh for scum" wrong. Since it was planned.

actually a fair point.
but why go through that whole scheme/motion as scum in the first place

lol you're serious.
1 - to get townread, exactly what you did
2 - to get me or Palmar lynched for being a counter wagon, exactly what you did: "rels had a bunch of posts i really disliked after the flip and he was a fairly contested counterwagon"
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 28 2017 09:19 GMT
#6052
On June 28 2017 18:17 disformation wrote:
ah fuck i did the thing where i already gave you some reasons so i cant discern your alignment based on your answer

I was getting info to you about BH's alignment
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 28 2017 09:20 GMT
#6053
Skynx is not scum.
disfo is not scum.
rayn is not scum.
FF is probably not scum.

BH is scum.

This is where I'm restarting from.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 28 2017 09:44 GMT
#6057
I'll make posts explaining my thoughts when I have the time IE tonight. The TLDR on Skynx is his continuous investigative tone + how he thinks about the game, trying to find teams that makes sense + attacking disfo when it makes no sense to do that.
I have opinion on BTDT. My opinion is that I'm conflicted. More on that tonight
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 29 2017 15:12 GMT
#6278
Watcher is a stupidly strong role. Even without considering if the checks make sense or not, I don't think tracker + watcher + parity cop ever makes sense. Scum can lose so hard just getting wrecked by checks by those 3 roles.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 29 2017 15:15 GMT
#6280
On June 30 2017 00:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
because I expected the kill on VA. There was this jailor talk and when I submitted the check, I didn't know it was bullshit

What changed between then and now ? Why was VA likely blue before and scum now ?

On June 30 2017 00:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
and my checks weren't horrible. I yelled for a vig shot on Xata because I had a good chance to confirm the vig if only he had shot.

Makes little sense to me over watching a town leader likely to get shot.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 29 2017 15:17 GMT
#6282
##Vote beentheredonethat
Don't think you can convince me this makes sense. But let's talk
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 29 2017 15:19 GMT
#6283
On June 30 2017 00:17 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 00:12 Rels wrote:
Watcher is a stupidly strong role. Even without considering if the checks make sense or not, I don't think tracker + watcher + parity cop ever makes sense. Scum can lose so hard just getting wrecked by checks by those 3 roles.

good. someone to talk to.
do you think something like:
watcher
parity cop
tracker
vet

vs

gf
rolecop
strongarm
roleblocker

might work?

lemme think
best town nightactions:
watcher/tracker find 2 scum n1
parity cop/watcher/tracker find 3 scum n2
-1 for gf

that is still 4/5 in 2 nights...
that seems really op...

yep. Potentially all 5 scums could be identified start of D3 with ideal actions.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 29 2017 15:54 GMT
#6295
doesn't matter. In your scenario, scum could mechanically lose start of D3, which is very, very unlikely. I also cohosted a lot with HTS so I know she takes balance matter pretty seriously.

Even taking into account that, you saying you watched Xata to discover who the vig is makes no sense to me.

Finally, you still didn't answer why you thought VA was legit yesterday, and now it has changed. I don't understand why you would think VA is blue - that's a lot of blue if you're also blue. I also don't understand why you didn't watch ES in that case, it was the obvious target since she could still act, unlike VA.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 29 2017 18:02 GMT
#6310
On June 29 2017 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay disformation shut up on this.

Rels can you give me examples of:
Show nested quote +
Skynx is his continuous investigative tone + how he thinks about the game, trying to find teams that makes sense + attacking disfo when it makes no sense to do that.

please

For the tone, it's basically the whole shitfight with BTDT, where he is seems much more natural than BTDT.
Thinking about what team makes sense + attacking disfo, it's these posts where he suddenly townreads BTDT when he doesn't need to as scum, then doesn't buddy town leaders:
On June 27 2017 04:08 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 18:48 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 22 2017 08:01 Half the Sky wrote:
Final Vote Count - Day 3


Grackaroni (9): ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Chezitwo, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, raynpelikoneet, disformation, Palmar, Eversince
sicklucker (3): disformation, Palmar, Grackaroni, Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo, Grackaroni
Palmar (2): disformation, Grackaroni, disformation, Fecalfeast
VayneAuthority (1): Grackaroni
disformation (0): disformation
Rels (0): sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Skynx
Fecalfeast (0): Tumblewood
Skynx (0): Palmar, Skynx
raynpelikoneet (0): Rels
ruXxar (0): Blazinghand
beentheredonethat (0): disformation

Half the Sky is throwing Grackaroni out of her whiskey bar.


Observations:
1 Pretty much uncontested Grack wagon
2 Votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand
3 Irrelevant votes: raynpelikoneet, Palmar (starting with Rayn as hammer because Fecalfeast was originally part of the Grack wagon)
4 "Counter wagon" votes: Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo
5 Wasted votes: disformation, (Fecalfeast)

re: 1)

Having an uncontested wagon where no big discussion is revolving around pretty much means it's a town wagon. However, I think there was actually a lot of discussion in the past day, especially started by Rels. I am town reading Rels right now; he came out of the lurker shadows to actually talk. I also like his fighting with rayn and I'm super worried about rayn not being the town super hero that pushes people around. So Rels up, rayn down, although I gotta admit I haven't looked too deeply into the fight these two have.

My association between Skynx and Grack was obviously wrong. Nevertheless I find it super suspicious that Skynx chimed in, threw around some shade, later on pissed off, let the Grack lynch happen without really putting in work to push the sicklucker lynch. I am sure that there is scum on the Grack wagon and I am fairly certain that not all scummers are on that wagon; and Skynx' vote feels off. We have two mislynches as someone pointed out; so a vig shot (if available) gets more and more risky - but Skynx is a decent target. But I'm super super super afraid here.


Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince (voted super late each time)
Town should be: disformation (mehhhhhhhh, and only if he doesn't die this night lol, and town rage), Chezitwo (mainly based on D2), Rels (based on D3)
Meh: Palmar, Tumblewood, Blazinghand, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, sicklucker, rayn

I hope I didn't forget anyone.

re: 2)

These three players were basically the ones who sealed the Grack lynch: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand. All of them will be moved to the scum pool for that:

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand
Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels
Meh: Palmar, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, rayn

So without further ado, they come into the scum pool.

re: 3)

Same as 2), can just be scum chiming in.

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, Palmar, rayn
Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels
Meh: ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority

re: 4)

Rels pushing sicklucker matches what he did all D2. I don't think that this is scum pushing a second town wagon here. So if Rels would be scum, then sicklucker would most likely also be scum and we have a bus attempt to get town cred, which IMHO is a rather bad and useless bus because there's no way Rels gains towncred from this vote if sicklucker flips scum at any point. Skynx' vote on the other hand isn't as solid als Rels' vote. He not voting Grack (although he did say something about voting Grack, or am I wrong there?) is actually scum indicative here as he pretty much wasted his vote, putting it on unflipped instead of townflip. I'm certain Skynx is scum.

Chezitwo voting sicklucker - mehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Given how super eager he was to lynch Xata over Xata's cop claim, I don't know why he voted sicklucker here and kinda wasted his vote. I need to check the context of that vote as well as the reasoning. NAI imho but I'm not too sure. I don't have too many townreads so I'll keep him on the list "just cause" but I am indeed a bit paranoid.

re: 5) The only thing that comes to my mind is that disfo said early D3 that he'd end up voting Grackaroni anyways. Not sure what to make out of that but it striked me as weird.

[bolded]You know what btdt is town, All of the previous day he associated me with Grack, actually believing Grack is mafia and obv ready to lynch me after Grack flips scum. If he's scum he obv knows Grack's gona flip town so this doesn't make sense from his pow. Ofc this is fakeable but just fits more to tunneled bad town imo. Imagine i switched to grack, he's still gona sr me. He's just tunneled for whatever reason and doesn't want to drop his shitty read on me and look bad so comes up with bunch of shade throwing. I'm gona ignore him for now cuz he's irritating.

On June 27 2017 04:41 Skynx wrote:
I disagree strongly with BH on
Show nested quote +
Remember, during a period of time, SL had flipped and we were trying to reason things out. Scum, we can now reasonably infer, had shot Chez and noticed it failed, and on top of that, that SL who they did not shoot has flipped. Scum doesn't know what happened, what prots if any went on, who shot whom, etc. This was exciting and interesting news for town, and confusing news for scum, what happened with the D1 flip. After the VA claim, scum had a lot more information to work on and probably came out of the woodwork, and after the ES claim, they were safe to operate and make statements with surety about what checks they were opearing against, and to bus/not bus etc. I think scum had every motivation in the world to NOT be posting right after that flip. It would be very risky. So the people who dove into convo with me, FF, Disfo, and Ruxxar, are highly unlikely to be scum in my view.


In fact at least 1 scum would prolly pop in and comment on stuff without committing so clearing people this way is not the best idea, especially the first hours of the day where people are discussing mechanics.

On June 27 2017 06:11 Skynx wrote:
Fefe i dont like since D1 but cant really put together a case either. He is around and when he talks he makes sense but not in a game solving way if that makes sense.

I'm gona have to filter dive people at some point. Hope Palmar is mafia and not 3P otherwise im pretty lost since now i tr btdt.

Ruxxar is still very town so fefe/rels as scum on annul makes sense but now 3 votes piled up on rels all of a sudden when previously most ppl whos not rayn was tring him. I like rayn but not yet convinced on rels.

You being alive this late in the game is also not a good sign disfo.

On June 27 2017 06:18 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 06:17 disformation wrote:
On June 27 2017 06:11 Skynx wrote:
Fefe i dont like since D1 but cant really put together a case either. He is around and when he talks he makes sense but not in a game solving way if that makes sense.

I'm gona have to filter dive people at some point. Hope Palmar is mafia and not 3P otherwise im pretty lost since now i tr btdt.

Ruxxar is still very town so fefe/rels as scum on annul makes sense but now 3 votes piled up on rels all of a sudden when previously most ppl whos not rayn was tring him. I like rayn but not yet convinced on rels.

You being alive this late in the game is also not a good sign disfo.

why?

You've been the town pillar since D1, i expect them to shoot you at some point but they haven't so.

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 29 2017 18:09 GMT
#6315
On June 30 2017 02:43 disformation wrote:
but i agree that rels should go back and talk more about:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 18:20 Rels wrote:
Skynx is not scum.
disfo is not scum.
rayn is not scum.
FF is probably not scum.

BH is scum.

This is where I'm restarting from.

Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 18:44 Rels wrote:
I'll make posts explaining my thoughts when I have the time IE tonight. The TLDR on Skynx is his continuous investigative tone + how he thinks about the game, trying to find teams that makes sense + attacking disfo when it makes no sense to do that.
I have opinion on BTDT. My opinion is that I'm conflicted. More on that tonight


yeah I wanted to make a case on BH + reread filters yesterday night. But my GF had other plans p:
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 29 2017 18:17 GMT
#6324
On June 30 2017 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 03:09 Rels wrote:
On June 30 2017 02:43 disformation wrote:
but i agree that rels should go back and talk more about:
On June 28 2017 18:20 Rels wrote:
Skynx is not scum.
disfo is not scum.
rayn is not scum.
FF is probably not scum.

BH is scum.

This is where I'm restarting from.

On June 28 2017 18:44 Rels wrote:
I'll make posts explaining my thoughts when I have the time IE tonight. The TLDR on Skynx is his continuous investigative tone + how he thinks about the game, trying to find teams that makes sense + attacking disfo when it makes no sense to do that.
I have opinion on BTDT. My opinion is that I'm conflicted. More on that tonight


yeah I wanted to make a case on BH + reread filters yesterday night. But my GF had other plans p:

The case on balzinghand is irrelevant today.
Tell me what i asked you about your Skynx read.

It was not yesterday. And it's not irrelevant since BTDT is 99% the lynch now.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 29 2017 18:19 GMT
#6327
On June 30 2017 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 03:11 disformation wrote:
bh not 100% sure yet, but his eod was also super weird.
so i can see scum trying to setup some ml's and fucking up.
makes also sense with a world where rels is town.

That doesn't make any sense since whichever of Palmar / Rels gets lynched the other one is already a mislynch #1. That's why i am conflicted on why what BOTH btdt and BH did on EoD. There has to be a reason, and "setuping a mislynch on Rels/Palmar the next day" is not a conclusion 100%.

First, it makes sense exactly to make you think BH is town 'caues scum wouldn't do it.
Second, I remember BH being shennannies king. I even think he was famous for that at one point.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 29 2017 18:20 GMT
#6329
rayn I have no idea how you can not scumread BH over me. I don't know why everyone in this game seems to consider us at kinda the same level. I see only scum in him.
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