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Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 11:57 GMT
#2278
On June 17 2017 20:39 Xatalos wrote:
In any case, now I'll be off for some time. Gl & hf

I don't get your defeatist stance. There might be a medic, disformation might be the roleblocker.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 13:30 GMT
#2340
On June 17 2017 22:16 darthfoley wrote:
Also couple that with the fact a dumb cop might CC Xat instinctively and I'm left with a pretty optimal fake claim play by someone who was already going to die. Why not go 1-1 with confirmed town/cop if you can?

Exactly. That is also why Xatalos will have to put in effort to avoid being lynched. He should at least earn that cc if he is mafia. We should not give it to him as a present.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 21:54 GMT
#2395
On June 18 2017 06:29 ruXxar wrote:
SL is like a 80% chance of being mafia.
While xatalos / disfo is like a 50/50.

I rather go for the safer option.

Lynching outside the 2 is 100 % the wrong play. Yes, it is sad that the day will be a little less productive but if you do not resolve this issue now then you are only postponing it.
Personally I have to say that this development is really convenient. I apparently caught a cold and it is annoyingly hard to concentrate on this (still not caught up). So everything that makes this day easier or gives me an excuse not to care that much is very welcome.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:05 GMT
#2404
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:06 GMT
#2406
On June 18 2017 07:05 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 06:54 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:29 ruXxar wrote:
SL is like a 80% chance of being mafia.
While xatalos / disfo is like a 50/50.

I rather go for the safer option.

Lynching outside the 2 is 100 % the wrong play. Yes, it is sad that the day will be a little less productive but if you do not resolve this issue now then you are only postponing it.
Personally I have to say that this development is really convenient. I apparently caught a cold and it is annoyingly hard to concentrate on this (still not caught up). So everything that makes this day easier or gives me an excuse not to care that much is very welcome.


I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna go for a 50/50 when I know that SL is very likely scum and is gonna be a problem.
Hes almost certainly the scum leader, instructing them on what to do.
Just look how he setup the wagon on annul last cycle.

If we take out the scum leader, the rest are easy pickings.

If Mr. Sicklucker is the scum leader then I am not very concerned. No offense.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:09 GMT
#2410
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.

1. Mafia is a guessing game.
2. Mislynches happen super often
3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch

So
a) lynch cop
b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives


not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here

Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop?
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:11 GMT
#2411
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)

This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:18 GMT
#2415
On June 18 2017 07:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:09 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.

1. Mafia is a guessing game.
2. Mislynches happen super often
3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch

So
a) lynch cop
b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives


not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here

Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop?

An outed cop can be protected at night, is a confirmed town and an enforced mafia target.

A vt is a vt.

Think about it with a little more effort. If we lynch Xatalos and he is mafia then disfo is also basically confirmed town, can be protected and is an enforced mafia target.
As long as scum has a roleblocker (which is very likely) there is 0 difference.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:19 GMT
#2417
On June 18 2017 07:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)

This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing.

One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check"

one day

It isn't. But you need to consider the circumstances and this claim is incredibly fishy.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:22 GMT
#2422
On June 18 2017 07:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:19 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)

This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing.

One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check"

one day

It isn't. But you need to consider the circumstances and this claim is incredibly fishy.

Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him? now it's more due to the claim and apparently everybody's fine with it.

if everybody's fine with something, it's probably scum.

Seriously?
Maybe because if we do what you say we lynch a townie, mafia survives a day and in the best case the real cop gets outed on top of it. Seems like a very good trade off compared to just going down without all of that.
In cases like this there is often an uncontested wagon on mafia.

Why do I have to explain basics like this...
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:22 GMT
#2425
On June 18 2017 07:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:19 ruXxar wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:18 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:09 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.

1. Mafia is a guessing game.
2. Mislynches happen super often
3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch

So
a) lynch cop
b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives


not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here

Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop?

An outed cop can be protected at night, is a confirmed town and an enforced mafia target.

A vt is a vt.

Think about it with a little more effort. If we lynch Xatalos and he is mafia then disfo is also basically confirmed town, can be protected and is an enforced mafia target.
As long as scum has a roleblocker (which is very likely) there is 0 difference.


Scum has a role blocker? Slip?

You're throwing so many dumbtells it's hard to believe they are genuine

Agreed. The guy is really all over the place.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:26 GMT
#2431
On June 18 2017 07:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:22 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:19 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)

This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing.

One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check"

one day

It isn't. But you need to consider the circumstances and this claim is incredibly fishy.

Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him? now it's more due to the claim and apparently everybody's fine with it.

if everybody's fine with something, it's probably scum.

Seriously?
Maybe because if we do what you say we lynch a townie, mafia survives a day and in the best case the real cop gets outed on top of it. Seems like a very good trade off compared to just going down without all of that.
In cases like this there is often an uncontested wagon on mafia.

Why do I have to explain basics like this...

Wait.

"If we do what you say we lynch a townie." - TMI.
"Mafia survives a day."

And how is it the best case if the real cop gets outed for town?

This sentence only makes sense from mafia perspective.

Jesus christ...

You ask "why would mafia claim" and I show you why mafia would claim. And then you act all confused. Why am I even bothering with this?
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:30 GMT
#2434
On June 18 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:26 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:22 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:19 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)

This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing.

One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check"

one day

It isn't. But you need to consider the circumstances and this claim is incredibly fishy.

Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him? now it's more due to the claim and apparently everybody's fine with it.

if everybody's fine with something, it's probably scum.

Seriously?
Maybe because if we do what you say we lynch a townie, mafia survives a day and in the best case the real cop gets outed on top of it. Seems like a very good trade off compared to just going down without all of that.
In cases like this there is often an uncontested wagon on mafia.

Why do I have to explain basics like this...

Wait.

"If we do what you say we lynch a townie." - TMI.
"Mafia survives a day."

And how is it the best case if the real cop gets outed for town?

This sentence only makes sense from mafia perspective.

Jesus christ...

You ask "why would mafia claim" and I show you why mafia would claim. And then you act all confused. Why am I even bothering with this?

That's a lie. You're not answering my "Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him?" question. You are clearly saying "if we do what you say".

That is exactly what I am answering and the second sentence of your post does not contradict this in any way.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:33 GMT
#2440
On June 18 2017 07:31 disformation wrote:
i think the first quote was supposed to be a btdt one

I seriously hope so. I have a limited tolerance for stupidity and he is currently really pushing the limit in this regard.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:36 GMT
#2447
On June 18 2017 07:34 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:33 Eversince wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:32 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:30 darthfoley wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:25 beentheredonethat wrote:
##vote Chezitwo

yep.


So now you're voting outside of the cop/red check that you just told us to lynch

Yeah but I found scum :>



You already had scum between Disfo/Xata and Chez's phrasing for "Mafia might very well have a RB" is a garbage reason to say you found scum and vote outside of it.

I am not using Chez's phrasing. You should actually try to read why I scumread Chez here.

Maybe you should read my post again and try to understand it this time.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:38 GMT
#2453
On June 18 2017 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:35 disformation wrote:
i am not discrediting you.
i am telling you to use your head and look at xata and decide if you believe him to be cop.

I don't believe for a second that he's cop

but I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town.

Ok, makes sense. Forgive me for calling you stupid. This is genius.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:44 GMT
#2464
On June 18 2017 07:43 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:40 Eversince wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:35 disformation wrote:
i am not discrediting you.
i am telling you to use your head and look at xata and decide if you believe him to be cop.

I don't believe for a second that he's cop

but I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town.


If you don't believe the claim how can you believe the red check? That's entirely like "I know your lying. But I believe you"

No. It's like "I think you're lying, but as long as there's a chance you're not, I'm not lynching you over the red-check you claimed".

Then fakeclaiming scum can never lose against you. I will make sure to remember this should I ever roll mafia against you.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:45 GMT
#2467
On June 18 2017 07:43 beentheredonethat wrote:
because HEY GUYS IT'S A BLUE, IT'S THE COP, AND WE HAVE 2312321321 PLAYERS IN AND ONLY A MINORITY IS ACTIVE

of course I prefer the potential VT loss over the potential COP loss thefuck is wrong with you people

I already showed you why there is no difference between the potential VT loss and the potential COP loss.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:47 GMT
#2476
On June 18 2017 07:45 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:44 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:43 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:40 Eversince wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:35 disformation wrote:
i am not discrediting you.
i am telling you to use your head and look at xata and decide if you believe him to be cop.

I don't believe for a second that he's cop

but I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town.


If you don't believe the claim how can you believe the red check? That's entirely like "I know your lying. But I believe you"

No. It's like "I think you're lying, but as long as there's a chance you're not, I'm not lynching you over the red-check you claimed".

Then fakeclaiming scum can never lose against you. I will make sure to remember this should I ever roll mafia against you.

I'm pretty sure that oversimplifying my words will make you right.

situation: xata no pressure claims red check
OHHHH EVERY LYNCH XATA

ah who am I to care about this.

Ok, at this point I will have to assume you are just trolling. Holy shit.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:50 GMT
#2483
On June 18 2017 07:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
Ok guys. Enjoy your shit flinging, keep up the good work see you in like 3 days or so

Bye bye! Make sure to return before mafia shoot you for your mad detective skillz!
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