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leaving for tonight. Should have been alseep already + this is annoying me too much
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On June 21 2017 08:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like literally Rels, you have made a case on Ruxxar that is basically "(1) he is trying to lynch his top scumread with (2) a bad case". Now: What is scummy in (1)? Why is this a bad case: *I took away the "he hammered town" part because that's actually a thing that never makes anyone mafia*Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 22:24 ruXxar wrote:[.....] 2) He doesn't try to solve the game. How many scum reads did he have the whole game? Let's see: DF: On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on. On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. but as fefe pointed out: On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect. For the second part: People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads. Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read. Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote. who do you think is scum? I'm kinda looking at you tbh. On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on. On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
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Care to elaborate?
Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
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btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. but as fefe pointed out: On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
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Sure.
This post:
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I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.
Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect. For the second part: People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads. Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read. Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote. who do you think is scum? I'm kinda looking at you tbh. Look at me as much as you like, but why? I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in. Disfo: On June 15 2017 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
I like Rayn too though. And I'm ok with a Disfo lynch. HF: On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch.
I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it. On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.
i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas. Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. "I'm ok with". "Seems like". There's 0 commitment to anything here. Just superficial non-sense without any substance. So obviously he followed up and actually tried to push his scum reads? Nope. Well, at least he voted for his scum reads? Nope. It's like a total non-commitment to any of his "reads" and just screams "I'm just trying to blend in". Explain me why this is a bad case?
It's a bad case because using sentences like "I'm ok with" and "seems like" don't make someone scum. Unless there is some meta going on.
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On June 21 2017 08:45 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 21 2017 08:01 Eversince wrote:
I think Rayn should at least drop the argument involving your comment on me. You clarified what you meant within the same minute of posting that.
No. The fact is Rels was making a factually incorrect statement he should know is one, and couldn't explain that reasonably. Instead he is trying to defend the statement. When I used this argument against him initially he said that he'd never try faking a dumbtell because he knew he'd be caught for it, so that's a dumb strategy, so he wouldn't do it
What are you talking about ?
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On June 21 2017 08:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 08:46 Eversince wrote:On June 21 2017 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 21 2017 08:01 Eversince wrote:
I think Rayn should at least drop the argument involving your comment on me. You clarified what you meant within the same minute of posting that.
No. The fact is Rels was making a factually incorrect statement he should know is one, and couldn't explain that reasonably. Instead he is trying to defend the statement. This is the post in question right?: On June 17 2017 08:08 Rels wrote:On June 17 2017 01:48 Eversince wrote:
On my EoD stuff:
I ask for reads and SL: "vote with me if you think I'm town" Nothing else.
HF: vote for SL and loosely explains why. Nothings else.
I missed Rels big qoute post on Xata but I don't think it would have mattered.
Since I was left with "Blindly follow this because it's the one I want" I just blindly consolidated.
SL claiming I have him as a top town read at the time is funny.
And expecting me to make a vote based off reads that are almost 40 pg old, after I openly admit that my reads are outdated and I have no time to read to adjust them. Ooff to me.
HF claiming I say he's the only one to give input is misconstrued. Other than Rels post that I missed, he was the only one who said the reason for why I should vote with him. He just failed to do it for any of the other two wagons.
wow that makes Eversince town. My big quote was about annul. So to those thinking ES was faking entering the thread (and Ithought that too befor ethat post), is she faked that she wouldn't mess up the names there. That means the entering the thread was innocent at the very least. Which he followed within the same minute: On June 17 2017 08:08 Rels wrote:
well that probably doesn't make her town. but that makes her not faking entering the thread Or am I just not on the same page as to what that is about? Because I was thinking this is what that is about. Yes you are. I bolded the important parts for you. This is what he says now when i questioned him for it: Show nested quote +I had a thought, then I realized it was not as strong as I thought, then I posted it.
"Not as strong as I thought" is different from "that doesn't make her town at all" Does the second big part look like he said this? I think he backed off from a statement he knows is factually incorrect in a manner that looks the least bad. You know like slowly fading into the background.. I hope you and other people get what i mean here. If i made that sort of a mistake as town i would just admit i did a hasty judgement call that was retarded (in the first place) and not try to defend that later (in a way that ALSO kind of contradicts your original retractment from it).
Nothing is factually incorrect. You're nitpicking something. The sentence "well that probably doesn't make her town. but that makes her not faking entering the thread" means "it's not as strong as I thought". As I explained multiple times. There is nothing else.
Now you can say that I'm just backtracking to explain a mistake or a slip or whatver you're calling it. OK. Call me scum for that if you want. The explanation is there, and you're choosing an interpretation of it that is nitpicky to attack.
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On June 21 2017 09:08 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 08:15 Blazinghand wrote:so is the anger real or what On June 21 2017 07:39 sicklucker wrote:
this is also standard rels scum meta. complain and do nothing. might be his town meta too tho lol second half of this post saves it ya rels acts really mad as mafia. usualy just starts fighting with everyone. I think hes more laid back as town
well good thing I'm not fighting everyone, only rayn who is not understanding a simple thing, either because he's tunneled or because he's scum.
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On June 21 2017 14:51 Half the Sky wrote:Vote Count - Day 3 Grackaroni (5): ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Chezitwo, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority sicklucker (3): disformation, Palmar, Grackaroni Rels (2): sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Skynxraynpelikoneet (1): Rels Skynx (1): Palmar, Skynx ruXxar (0): BlazinghandPalmar (0): disformationbeentheredonethat (0): disformationNot voted (3): Tumblewood, Eversince, Blazinghand Half the Sky is getting ready to throw Grackaroni out of her whiskey bar.
Day 3 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
looks like I forgot to change my vote
##Unvote
##Vote sicklucker
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On June 21 2017 18:15 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 18:15 disformation wrote:On June 21 2017 18:12 disformation wrote:
why is skynx voting skynx again?
*sigh* you could try reading his filter to find out? nah. too lazy. cu later.
lol p:
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On June 21 2017 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can people at least look at what i have said about Rels and comment on it?
1) His explanation on the Eversince comment doesn't match up with the earlier explanation on the Eversince comment. In fact i don't even believe it matches the original comment.
2) His vote on annul is based on very bad reasoning and the way he went on with it on D1 in very surface level thinking which is not really typical for him.
3) All of his scumreads are based on very surface level reasoning and there is basically no thought behind them (see for example the read on me, earlier read on Chezitwo, read on Grack, read on sicklucker, N1 or so read on Skynx and the read on Ruxxar).
4) The way he has pushed his scumreads is... well he hasn't, it's non-existent.
The complete lack of ANY people to even COMMENT on the case makes me think even more i am right here.
yep I didn't push my scumreads. .. I only created the second wagon that is being vote down today.
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disfo and BTDT your fight is annoying. You're both probably town. And it looks like you're not getting lynched today. So if you could stop and be nice it would be awesome. p:
yeah I know I might not be the best guy to say that ^^ but it would be good
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BTDT join us in that "lets see if SL is really unlynchable" quest. Good reward at the end I promise
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BH you're there ? I thought you scumread me for that dumbtell where I didn't know that scum KP went down to 1 after N2. Apparently I misunderstood ? Please explain if that's the case
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rayn is also certainly scum. Nitpicking details to hell and not trying to comprehend stuff. + saying I'm doing nothing with my scumreads when it could be argueed that I'm the most influential dude today, creating the counter wagon to Grack.
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it's sad. A game when we're both town usually turns out to be easy after a certain point.
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yeah.
TBF miller + RB flips and probably no doc means that we should have some good info at some point
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maybe we should put Skynx out of his misery as a birthday present =D
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On June 21 2017 20:19 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 20:05 Rels wrote:
BTDT join us in that "lets see if SL is really unlynchable" quest. Good reward at the end I promise No, we're lynching into Grack or Skynx today. I dived SL's filter with the assumption he was scum and he pushed annul so hard D1 that I didn't really think that scum would do this. Like, he was all over it, scumreading HF super hard and then HF is the nightkill. He's also saying very often "i'm sicklucker i'm super good" while making jaw-droppingly weird reads I think that's town-sicklucker but more importantly I think skynx/grack are the better lynch.
the first part is not true. First, SL is actually one of the few players I know who is NOT afraid to protect his partner at all cost if he can. He has a certain logic that he follows. Second, consider that there was also the possiblity of HIM being lynched instead of Xata or annul. So it makes sense that he needed to be active.
About HF, this means nothing. Scumreading someone super hard then killing him proves nothing. Especially since HF is a super strong player for any scum team; and that he was scumreading SL pretty hard.
Finally, this is not true: "He's also saying very often "i'm sicklucker i'm super good" while making jaw-droppingly weird reads." On the contrary, I'm waiting for the weird smart post and they're not coming.
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On June 21 2017 20:21 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 20:20 Rels wrote:
maybe we should put Skynx out of his misery as a birthday present =D summarize why we would lynch SL for me please.
he never had his spray of posting random and smart stuff he always has as town at some point. It's likely it will happen if we push him too, it always happens.
He doesn't have any tinfoil theories today, he just want to follow the ruxxar path of lynching people down a list. That is NOT him.
He has a hard time being active and saying smart stuff. He entered the thread several time this phase, and never had something smart to say.
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