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Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 01:58 GMT
#2973
idk everyone I think is scum turns out to be town, so if I flip my reads the scummiest people should be PB or Grack

maybe that's how this game works
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 02:02 GMT
#2974
also since btdt flipped town idk if tube is town anymore

arggagwrgrwag
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 02:05 GMT
#2975
so I think there's no way I die in this NK because I look sus as fuck voting on 3 townie lynches

so most likely mafia is gonna leave me alive and try and push my lynch or LS' lynch

if I am right and Grack and PB are both town, I think my filter can read like I am scummates with ritoky

I'm trying to guess who's going to be the NK, but if Tube dies IDK who the last mafia is

LS thinks it's me, I think it's Tube (unless he gets NK'd), PB also thinks it's tube

idk what grack thinks
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 02:12 GMT
#2976
reasons why I think Tube is mafia:

he plays us in D2 like a fiddle and talks about the possibility of HF being mafia and pushes it a lot, doesn't even pay attention to ritoky's claim and tunnels in HF being mafia

I guess that can look town but it seems weird to just tunnel in on one of the claims instead of the other two ? ?

says he likes btdt some time in his filter (like page 4 or something) and then all of a sudden with the ritoky claim and HF dying saying to shoot/lynch btdt, he flips and completely tunnels and advocates the btdt lynch

ritoky's claim could have been a play to make town suspect BTDT over anyone else, and an easy push into mislynch as he already looked pretty scummy to a lot of the players, or barely town

he even says this:

On June 10 2017 20:38 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 20:28 Holyflare wrote:
Let's be real here Tubesock, the rest of the game can tell the claims apart, or at least that I'm town, but why can't you after town reading me the entire game?

Furthermore, of the three people that have claimed I am the only one of them that is going back through the filters, asking the claimed people questions and weighing up the facts, why aren't you?

Then the fact still lies that ritoky's check on btdt doesn't particularly make the slightest bit of sense but people keep saying it does, why is that?

Tw's claimed under pressure and not died for 2 cycles and tmi'd all of day 1 and afkd the rest, why is that? He blindly states ritoky's claim also makes the most sense when it doesn't. Why?


I don't think you've done anything that mafia!HF can't do. I would have believed you if you claimed something other than vig.

I looked back at their filters. I think the answers will be there. People usually plan their fake claims a couple days in advance so there's no way they don't have precanned answers for the predictable questions that we will have.

I am considering Ritoky for the points you brought up. I haven't researched how Ritoky does claims but that's on my to do list. Part of me thinks that he would put in work so that it's not too obvious to mafia that he just checked someone. I am wondering why he still checked btdt, but am willing for him to answer as he's already been asked in thread.


and doesn't do it

also this ritoky spam about how he should be lynched and shit and tubesock saying the opposite play is okay as town can be some like supreme mindfuck to town because there's no discussion going on at all so whoever posts the most logical thing on the most scummy looking person across all town is probably the one we're gonna follow
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 02:15 GMT
#2978
also LS can you like actually post something meaningful

your filter is filled with nothing

is this how he usually plays town?
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 02:17 GMT
#2979
like we are in the situation after ritoky we're gonna lose so like I understand you might not have time but anything beside a 1-liner would help if you're actually town

also you're like #1 suspect to me without me doubting my town reads because you passively just switched to btdt, gave no argument or reasoning, and now your top scum read is me, unless I'm reading your post to my question incorrectly
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 02:17 GMT
#2980
LS can you answer why you think I'm the scummiest on your possible scum list?

On June 14 2017 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 08:15 Conversion wrote:
who's next on the scummy list for y'all if this guy surprises us with a town flip

You probably you and ritoky had 1 weird interaction when I had you as part of my PoE scum plus your EoD 2 reaction to the Vivax flip seemed weird?

Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 02:18 GMT
#2981
ritoky and I only really ever talked to each other on D1 when he forced me to give reads and shit

and my EoD 2 reaction was in reply to BTDT calling me possible scummates with PB

so why I am scummy on your list? elaborate stop being silent pls ty
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 02:23 GMT
#2982
let me get my thoughts down:

Prison Break
Grackaroni
Conversion

is what I think

so it's a tossup between TS and LS
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 03:59 GMT
#2996
ritoky and fidei kind of left tube alone because that seems to be his playstyle naturally

which I honestly have no idea. maybe I'll go digging at his older games
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 04:11 GMT
#2997
the only thing throwing me off about TS maybe being scum is him voting onto Fidei so early
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 04:17 GMT
#2998
like his reasoning was "yolo" vote onto him, but is that to establish credibility for an early bus play? but it doesn't seem like a bus play b/c ritoky is not on it
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 04:20 GMT
#2999
since we're gonna end up lynching ritoky anyways I'm just going to post all my thoughts out:

Tubesock soft defenses on ritoky??:

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote:
Just in case:

PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game.
Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia.
HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5.
Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote:
i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb

fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.

reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.

btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.

tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.

grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.

BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.

onegu...flip a coin.

Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet.
Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town.

LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names.

Mafias Most likely further down.

Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS.


Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him.

beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone.
Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible.



+ Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2017 16:19 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 16:05 Grackaroni wrote:
What's wrong with my filter?


I like Ritoky's filter better. Your argument with him just isn't convincing to me. Basically, he's scum because he only talked about him once (and scummed him) but called you out because you should have said something about Fidei?

I towned you earlier because of your shitfight with BH and you scummed btdt. But then later only had 1 guess and that was BH.

I also don't like how it's fairly difficult to keep track of your reads.

I'm having a hard time believing the whole emotional btdt is town bit. And think he's more likely mafia than you. or anyone else outside the Cop stuff.



idk the more I read his filter, the more I find myself flipping back and forth on my town/scum read on him

it's confusing as hell
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 04:23 GMT
#3001
also from BH on the vivax fake claiming nonsense day:

On June 07 2017 17:15 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 17:11 Blazinghand wrote:
So, if I think vivax and HF are both town hypothetically here, Grack, the most suspicious people are people who:

A) initially voted HF or were reluctant to vote Vivax
B) said they would 100% vote Vivax if he rescinded



By the way, this describes TO THE DOT what tubesock has been doing today:

Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 16:08 Tubesock wrote:
basically, we lynch HF unless Vivax rescinds then lynch Vivax. HF flips mafia we celebrate or lynch Vivax after. If we decide to lynch Vivax first, and he is cop then we just gave mafia a free nightkill.

So, basically now we can just talk about who is the last mafia.


Note that he wants to lynch HF, but never VOTES HF. due tot he pressure. He wants to kill both HF AND Vivax though. He also wants to lynch Vivax first if and only if Vivax recants.

I'm not saying Tubesock is scum, but in my opinion if you think both Vivax and HF are town, Tubesock should be your #1 scumread.

Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 04:28 GMT
#3002
although honestly this is getting really tinfoil hatty. like the idea of a ritoky-Fidei-tubesock team means that ritoky and TS would have had to coordinate that one person jumps onto the fidei bus early to give himself town cred (yolo vote on fidei by TS) and ritoky would spread his vote elsewhere. Then they set up for the fake claim by ritoky, cause town to mislynch into the blue (with TW looking scummy in a couple of people's analyses, this is a pretty safe play as I think ritoky could count on the inactivity and lack of pressure on his "crumbs" to survive the lynch)

In which case they shoot off HF, and now town devolves into this weird environment caused by ritoky loudly yelling and claiming. Before HF dies, they RB and NK him to doubly make sure he dies in case he is vet because he is the biggest asset town has had and he's been alive way too long.

So now ritoky does all this yelling, spamming shit, calling us idiots, making sure to make his presence known while TS does what he's been doing all game to enact the plan they put in while Fidei was AFK/sleeping.

Plan for Mafia is going to be NKing the more "confirmed" townies off, probably the more active ones too, and then just push for mislynches (as this seems pretty easy to do, this town environment has been pretty lackluster with BH and HF gone)
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 04:31 GMT
#3004
the only reason this tinfoil hat conspiracy theory exists in my head is b/c of a very sudden jump from "I like btdt" to pushing for his lynch.

I thought BTDT was scummy because of his posts (the one where he asked ritoky if they should concede.. like wtf) and him tunneling in on me super hard when I know I'm town. Also the lack of defense on his end when I told him to build a serious case on me because he was flipping between Conversion is town vs Conversion is not town.

whereas tubesock just came outta nowhere and was like wHAM BTDT is da mafia boiz let's lynch him. let me make a large sequential post with little spoiler messages but nothing really substantial and force a mislynch, since town seems to generally be OK with lynching BTDT over anyone else, so why not
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 04:32 GMT
#3006
On June 14 2017 13:29 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2017 20:19 Holyflare wrote:
Tomorrow you will have 5vs2

You should lynch not ritoky because tomorrow will be 100% dead discussion and tube, your biggest asset right now, will die.

Lynching someone else is the most productive thing you can do. It doesn't change how many mislynches you get.


What is HF mean here?

And you're believing a claimed mafia over a dead blue?

I'm scum because I listened to what HF said and wanted us to do? Really?


idk man I'm thinking of some weird theories and you're just the first one I fleshed out

better than being dead silent and doing nothing
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 04:34 GMT
#3007
i mean also HF's quotes are sorta irrelevant bc his posts were basically BTDT-ritoky is the mafia team, kill btdt

so like.. with BTDT gone there obviously has to be a play that mafia is making that we're not seeing
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 04:35 GMT
#3008
On June 12 2017 05:15 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2017 05:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I read through Conversion's filter and I am ~95% convinced that he is town. He has an open thought process and weighs in on everything that happens in thread. His reads shift a lot. He gives a fair number of unjustified reads, which I don't think newer scum players like to do. Overall his filter just reads a lot like the perspective of a new town player.

I would be a lot more surprised if he were to flip mafia than I was with PB in the last game.


Conversion and pb are not mafia.

Ls is probably not mafia.

Tube is very unlikely.

Btdt/you

Btdt most likely

So i shoot



like his order of reads for mafia was btdt > grack > tubesock/ls somewhere >>>>>>>>>> me and pb
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
June 14 2017 04:38 GMT
#3011
On June 14 2017 13:37 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 13:34 Conversion wrote:
i mean also HF's quotes are sorta irrelevant bc his posts were basically BTDT-ritoky is the mafia team, kill btdt

so like.. with BTDT gone there obviously has to be a play that mafia is making that we're not seeing


Didn't you just say I'm mafia for pushing to lynch btdt before Ritoky?


I never outright SAID you were mafia, I was saying this is a theory in a realm of possibilities that I'm trying to see and understand, no matter how unlikely
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