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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 19:11 GMT
#1563
Also regarding Vivax, I get the argument that grack makes for how your play can come from a place of town anger and frustration.....but I have a hard time believing that you never once considered "what if everyone believes me and i am wrong? with this play". You take town from a place of lynching mafia to lynching back to back townies most likely.

Also why did you feel you had to make a play like this, you thought there's no way you can get hf lynched through conventional means?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 19:14 GMT
#1564
On June 08 2017 03:58 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
On June 06 2017 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
I think he should be lynched and I don't care what he is. Based on his play yesterday only picking on inactives and lower down people and his demotivation after lynching mafia and fake claiming I'm very inclined to call him mafia.

The only thing giving me pause is the ridiculous amount of ignoring that's going on to this claim. Grack et al basically ignored it and nobody has done their favourite thing of instantly putting votes on me. Which makes me pause because they would know vivax was fake claiming to lynch a town and stay away from it.

So evidence based mafia, gut read from reactions fake claiming town.


Dun dun dunnnn


I mentioned grack.


must have been before where i was reading from or i just missed it. but this is different than "if viv town, then btdt 100% mafia". you just think the rest of grack's play differentiates him as more likely town?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 19:15 GMT
#1567
On June 08 2017 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:03 ritoky wrote:
On June 07 2017 23:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Idk what to think honestly because it was very anti town of Vivax to try to do that claim stuff but it is a mostly stupid move for scum to do that unless he wanted to do a very big gamble. Yes I know scum was in a bad shot losing their GF Day 1 but it not impossible for them to come back and Vivax knows this. very mixed feelings on this honestly :\


why are you so afraid to make any reads this game?

I been thinking about rather the fact Vivax if he was the real cop (hint he retracted his claim) who was pissed off and didn't do shit after red checking HF but then later he unclaimed. I honestly can't tell whether it's scum Vivax doing a suicidal move or a depressed town Vivax.


being uncertain on vivax's alignment doesn't prevent you from having other reads. or conditional reads based on what he flips. do you have any of those?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 19:21 GMT
#1574
On June 08 2017 04:19 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:15 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:03 ritoky wrote:
On June 07 2017 23:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Idk what to think honestly because it was very anti town of Vivax to try to do that claim stuff but it is a mostly stupid move for scum to do that unless he wanted to do a very big gamble. Yes I know scum was in a bad shot losing their GF Day 1 but it not impossible for them to come back and Vivax knows this. very mixed feelings on this honestly :\


why are you so afraid to make any reads this game?

I been thinking about rather the fact Vivax if he was the real cop (hint he retracted his claim) who was pissed off and didn't do shit after red checking HF but then later he unclaimed. I honestly can't tell whether it's scum Vivax doing a suicidal move or a depressed town Vivax.


being uncertain on vivax's alignment doesn't prevent you from having other reads. or conditional reads based on what he flips. do you have any of those?

Got you likely town but still found it weird that you went on a off wagon EoD. BH could be town based on his reaction of potentially getting lynched but again he went off wagon pretty close to EoD. Grack I feel is very likely town because he playing similar to generic how he was somewhat trolly but later did try to put in some work. TS I will have to reread his filter and ofc TW is unCCed doctor.


why isn't HF town? fear? respect? or something in particular?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 19:24 GMT
#1578
On June 08 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:21 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:19 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:15 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:03 ritoky wrote:
On June 07 2017 23:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Idk what to think honestly because it was very anti town of Vivax to try to do that claim stuff but it is a mostly stupid move for scum to do that unless he wanted to do a very big gamble. Yes I know scum was in a bad shot losing their GF Day 1 but it not impossible for them to come back and Vivax knows this. very mixed feelings on this honestly :\


why are you so afraid to make any reads this game?

I been thinking about rather the fact Vivax if he was the real cop (hint he retracted his claim) who was pissed off and didn't do shit after red checking HF but then later he unclaimed. I honestly can't tell whether it's scum Vivax doing a suicidal move or a depressed town Vivax.


being uncertain on vivax's alignment doesn't prevent you from having other reads. or conditional reads based on what he flips. do you have any of those?

Got you likely town but still found it weird that you went on a off wagon EoD. BH could be town based on his reaction of potentially getting lynched but again he went off wagon pretty close to EoD. Grack I feel is very likely town because he playing similar to generic how he was somewhat trolly but later did try to put in some work. TS I will have to reread his filter and ofc TW is unCCed doctor.


why isn't HF town? fear? respect? or something in particular?

I respect his scum game a lot but he more of a null read atm because of that.


so no feelings or specifics that triggered that? just your generic brand "he's holyflare so if he is alive day 4 i am gonna lynch him cuz it is what you do" read?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 19:31 GMT
#1581
Also LS, why am I likely town?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 19:38 GMT
#1585
Can I take a moment to laugh at the dumpster fire that is my country right now? I just read the opening statement Comey is going to give tomorrow, and all I can do is laugh in pain.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 20:13 GMT
#1609
On June 08 2017 05:08 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:38 ritoky wrote:
Can I take a moment to laugh at the dumpster fire that is my country right now? I just read the opening statement Comey is going to give tomorrow, and all I can do is laugh in pain.


sure, make sure you return to the dumpster fire that is this thread afterwards though


i am keyboard warrioring it up in another locale right now. it is important.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 20:16 GMT
#1614
On June 08 2017 05:14 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:10 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote:
vivax could maybe be town here but I just can't accept this kind of play. either he's mafia and needs to be lynched or he's town and deserves to be punished for being such a dumbass


If he's town we should keep him alive, because our goal is to lynch scum, not town. I don't care about what he "deserves"—I want to win. However, he is scum.

sorry, I get what you're saying, but even if I knew for a fact vivax was town I would still do this. not that I've ever seen a bad fakeclaim and didn't think the guy was likely mafia, but I have too much respect for myself to prioritize a slightly better chance of the win over letting people get away with this shit


oh please with the white knighting "good gameplay". either you think he's mafia cuz there's no sense to the play as town and lynch him or you don't.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 20:26 GMT
#1623
that's a pretty decent case.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 20:28 GMT
#1627
On June 08 2017 05:28 Blazinghand wrote:
I think BTDT should not be lynched


Endorsed.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 20:31 GMT
#1631
Who do you think is with PB? Hf?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 20:37 GMT
#1635
On June 08 2017 05:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also wait - BH was all day like "look I hammered scum I'm so great" BH actually did not hammer scum, I thought all game he was part of the fidei train but he wasn't :O


he effectively was, he just hopped off at the last minute to do some funsie shit.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 20:40 GMT
#1642
On June 08 2017 05:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:37 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also wait - BH was all day like "look I hammered scum I'm so great" BH actually did not hammer scum, I thought all game he was part of the fidei train but he wasn't :O


he effectively was, he just hopped off at the last minute to do some funsie shit.

erm no wait

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523517-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi-voting-thread?user=Blazinghand

No. at no point was his vote on fidei


oh? am i misremembering then? i coulda sworn he was.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 20:42 GMT
#1644
On June 08 2017 05:37 beentheredonethat wrote:
We should all lynch Prison Break. If people stick to the Vivax lynch, meh. especially HF, like, if he thinks Vivax is town (and he said he feels so) then he should absolutely be brave enough to not lynch the guy. We have a super clear scum wagon where we can deduce enough people to put on our town pile.



The problem isn't that I don't think your case on PB is good, the problem is that no one has said anything to convince me how vivax's play comes from a town pov.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 20:56 GMT
#1658
On June 08 2017 05:47 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:37 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also wait - BH was all day like "look I hammered scum I'm so great" BH actually did not hammer scum, I thought all game he was part of the fidei train but he wasn't :O


he effectively was, he just hopped off at the last minute to do some funsie shit.


Whoa, don't imply I was ever helpful, my vote was never on fidei


then i too also misinterpreted it. lol
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 20:57 GMT
#1660
On June 08 2017 05:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:42 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:40 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:37 ritoky wrote:
[quote]

he effectively was, he just hopped off at the last minute to do some funsie shit.

erm no wait

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523517-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi-voting-thread?user=Blazinghand

No. at no point was his vote on fidei


He asked if he was needed pretty early and then when people said no just voted elsewhere.

But there's no vote. There's no pressure if there's no vote. It's like "I promise to do things". I think since BH didn't actually vote, he shouldn't gain town cred.

I think we should at least re-read Blazinghand's end of day and check very thoroughly if there was honest and real commitment to the Fidei lynch. The fact that his vote wasn't on Fidei makes me feel very uncomfortable.


I didn't commit to shit, I just said I'd swap if needed, decided I wasn't needed, voted vivax, and loled my way to the bank

Well at least I gave you a lot of town cred because I was super certain you pushed Fidei. That's what I get for not reading properly.


Yep, clearly you're to blame here.

Okay. Let's drop this.

Am I correct in thinking that you think HF is town? And I also assume HF thinks BH's town?


I think HF could well be scum. I do not extend a townread or a scumread to him. I am aware that it is inherently scummy of me not to have a strong position on HF, but basically it boils down to this: I think he has played well and actively and genially, and how I'd like town HF to play. I also think he's a slippery fucker who could do this as scum, regardless as to Vivax' alignment. He seems to think I'm town, which makes me even more suspicious of him, even though he's rate and has good reason. Yes, I'm paranoid. Yes, it's scummy of me not to give a solid read on HF. but this is what I think.



Actually, this kind of non-committment is so obviously "scummy" that my willingness to say this and put myself out there in order to tell the truth is a town-tell imo


But then the self-analysis of how townie you are because of your apparent town-tell is a scum-tell! O NO
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 21:50 GMT
#1712
On June 08 2017 06:45 Blazinghand wrote:
So I'm actually quite comfy with this Vivax lynch today. I'm just chilling for the next couple of hours. I'm taking questions if anyone has any.


Have you ever noticed that young people buy almost exclusively frozen foods and pre-prepared meals, while older people buy components to cook with?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 21:52 GMT
#1713
On June 08 2017 06:42 Tumblewood wrote:
clean citizens
bh
ls

upstanding guys
ts
btdt
rit
grack
hf?

unscrupulous fellas
pb
conv

bad dude
vivax


it bothers me fundamentally that ls is above me on this list.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 07 2017 22:01 GMT
#1716
On June 08 2017 06:56 Holyflare wrote:
Am i old now wtf? Components are way better.


Check out people's carts or baskets when you go grocery shopping next time (at least this is the case in america), some1 pointed it out to me and I can't unsee it.

A couple 20 yr olds shopping got 10 frozen burritos some frozen pizza, 8 monsters, etc. Walk by a 70 yr old they got leeks and beets and flour and milk.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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