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honestly if we lynch vivax at this point and he flips cop are we even in a terrible spot? we lynch HF tomorrow which means we have 2 scum in 3 lynches, that seems pretty good for a worst case scenario best case scenario is vivax is scum which is obv good, and lynching HF is bad because odds are vivax was going to be lynched at some point anyway ------- I filtered conversion and beentheredonethat and here's my thoughts: --------- I don't like how vivax/conversion left their votes on me, could definitely be a scum between them filtering conversion "Also, I understand that your timezone doesn't match up with the start of the game, but what are you going to get by pushing me, who is not experienced at all at Mafia, and making me post more? What about the other half of the thread that isn't making any sort of post that you can push for more information as well?" this seems really bad, he's basically saying - I'm not experienced at mafia so you can't push me -which is a really scummy defense, he's hiding behind being a newbie and basically announcing if he's not going to post the entire game it's cause he's a newbie so others should be pressed for it instead? that said he can actually be busy Fidei was onto (TW + conversion) though, and it seemed like fidei was just pushing a bunch of townies although he could've slipped a scummate between them a well of course "I'd also like to give Fidei the benefit of the doubt b/c I was cited in the past as acting pretty scummy here when I was floundering about from inactivity and lack of confidence. I would rather have on the board some confidence and a deconstruction of my post from Fidei to support your scumtell so you can push it harder to let me argue and refine your read on me." "yet btdt and fidei are readily pressuring me either for explaining my situation, or calling me scummy by making conclusions from my post that I can't really see from rereading my post" "Fidei might be scum, but I'm not sure. I find it really suspicious he's not giving me a benefit of the doubt and looking to push me as scum with one post on my end. Not saying I deserve a free town pass because I suck and I'm a newbie, but my experience in 2012 showed me that most experienced players ignored me as just that: a newbie until it became important for me to step up and contribute." I can't make sense of his flipflopping + undecisiveness on fidei, "PB are your thoughts on BTDT the same? I honestly don't see how his play works out by tunneling me-- I think it's just a weak play at best if I end up getting lynched and flipping town, so I'm inclined to believe he's town but idk. I don't think lynching him today is going to get us anywhere, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on it." really is this guy just not giving opinions on all his scummates (fide+btdt)? "The two I think are Mafia are BH and TW. TW because I didn't like any of his posts about town reads. He generally seems rather disinterested in doing anything on doing any useful reads, lazily labels people as town, doesn't build a case on anyone, and doesn't seem to do much except make the occassional post here and there. I still find BH's play super weird-- comical or not (which I can't tell), he's been doing nothing as well and with the arguments happening here, I feel like making posts for people to push/question is the way to clear yourself up. The last one is a pretty big tossup, but I'm leaning towards PB. He hasn't changed his view on BTDT and put off his analysis, but I'm not very confident on this one." Alright so basically he keeps summing up arguments for fidei/btdt scum....except he never goes for it. then his scumreads are on people I townread (TW+BH) and suddenly he's more confident. He then chainsaw defends btdt by saying he's leaning towards me, because he's not confident in my analysis.... but where's btdt/fidei on his list? and he liked me earlier, why the 180? why is he not confident in my analysis? no explanation, esp since he thought btdt could be scum, me thinking btdt is scum shouldn't make him jump from btdt to me without a good reason, right? "Also I don't think BTDT is mafia, which I mentioned at least once already. just that the tunnel on me felt weird, which is why I asked PB about his opinion on him" "I'm placing a vote on PB. I don't know if I should lynch TW with a blue claim, and for some reason BH is being fought over and makes me doubt if I'll really get anything out of a D1 lynch who made almost no informative posts and people fighting over his meta, which I have no idea about PB still isn't here 24 mins before the deadline, so there's my vote. I'm boarding a flight now so I won't be available until after night." this just seems like an easy vote, I'm not there so vote me for it, "PrisonBreak: I really, really dislike his play. IDK if that’s because he’s just busy, he’s not caring as much about this game, or he’s scum trying to fly under the radar. I’m seeing a lot of disingenuous posts from him (saying he will post his reads later, still hasn’t done so) and then blames his inactivity based on something “not happening” when he checks the thread. Before the deadline he makes two posts on the vote count, doesn’t do anything to dissuade votes off of him, and doesn’t make any informative posts (Onegu/Tubesock is town—Onegu lead the “shenanigan” lynch whatever that is, Tumblewood is town). Questions Grack, makes some prods at BTDT and leaves. His play looks really sloppy from what he did in Generic II, but honestly there were some easy questions I made to you that you could have answered way before deadline was approaching. I asked you to post reads and asked you why you still think BTDT is scum, and he just disappeared and posted whatever he did before deadline. Really suspicious to me." I'm not sure what this is but for some reason he keeps tunneling me without coming to conclusions. And it does't seem to fit his earlier stances (on me being town, btdt possible scum) in the slightest. He also mentions vivax which I mentioned as possibly scum - although I'll give him that idk if I said that prior to this, I think I mentioned it before though. More importantly... he townreads people that lead the fidei lynch... and doesn't mention at all that I wanted fidei dead and fidei wanted me dead which was maybe the first thing to actually happen this game between fidei and someone else.... very suspicious to ignore this in his "analysis" "OK so I avoided reading TW because I thought he'd get NK'd with his doctor claim.. do we lynch him?" This is pretty bad like I understand that if one of (vivax, HF) is scum, then it can't be btdt+conversion, but my scumread on conversion isn't really based off associations with btdt. more about associations with fidei. like this guy outright townreads fidei which he initially scumreads without giving a proper reasoning, and pushes townies instead. I know I'm town and I townread most people he actually pushed as well. that said he does want to lynch vivax. but if he's mafia and knows HF isn't scum, then he'd want to lynch vivax as well, so idk if that's relevant. yea what do people think about conversion? I don't want to fall into scumreading him for being a newbie, but I think he's definitely a consideration for scum ---- beentheredonethat still looks extremely bad. "I'm super fine with lynching PB, this guy smells like scum. The overall tone of his post is so super soft, so not-pushy, so calm, so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz really lynch pb" he just hosted a game in which I took firm stances. so he should know this isn't a scumtell, besides, I don't think I was non-pushy at all. I pretty much pushed fidei/btdt + gave townreads and he is OMGUS'ing me at best. Going through his filter I don't see a moment where I should suddenly townread him, " Here's where I'm at: (no particular order right now) Don't lynch: Vivax Fidei Lynch: Prison Break + Show Spoiler + Tubesock + Show Spoiler + Others: Conversion - hmm. His filter is full of stuff, so there's more to read into, so I'd just wait a bit. The mobile stuff still makes me headache and I think he's getting away too easy with some stuff but I realize that this is super generic. I'm not filter diving him right now. " this looks extremely bad and it connects him with Conversion the same way Conversion connects to him "I still think PB is scum tho :O And HF might also be because he was super duper late on Fidei" Ignores the fidei flip, obviously didnt look into my or fideis filter to see the interactions between us. Just lazy continuig his push on me who was inactive at the moment. and his stance on HF would depend on HF's alignment so idk what that means until HF or vivax flip. ----------------------- where I'm at is beentheredonethat and conversion both look extremely scummy, I would call them a scumteam if we didn't have vivax vs HF right now. If there's any way vivax+hf is town vs town then I'd say btdt + conversion as the team. if not it could still be one of them + (vivax or hf). probably vivax then. I'm going to filter vivax grackaroni and HF next though | ||
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I should use bulletpoints, spoilers etc. more | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:06 beentheredonethat wrote: Hahahahahahahahhaahah there's a red check and a claim to vote for and PB is like "nah fuckit I'll vote btdt" If you read my posts you'd see I'm like "waiting for vivax to respond and if not I will decide between vivax and HF today" anyway I laid down my case on you and conversion vivax/HF will resolve itself, that doesn't mean we should not try to find the 3rd mafia? | ||
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I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it | ||
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honestly if we lynch vivax at this point and he flips cop are we even in a terrible spot? we lynch HF tomorrow which means we have 2 scum in 3 lynches, that seems pretty good for a worst case scenario best case scenario is vivax is scum which is obv good, and lynching HF is bad because odds are vivax was going to be lynched at some point anyway ------- I filtered conversion and beentheredonethat and here's my thoughts: --------- I don't like how vivax/conversion left their votes on me, could definitely be a scum between them filtering conversion Also, I understand that your timezone doesn't match up with the start of the game, but what are you going to get by pushing me, who is not experienced at all at Mafia, and making me post more? What about the other half of the thread that isn't making any sort of post that you can push for more information as well? this seems really bad, he's basically saying - I'm not experienced at mafia so you can't push me -which is a really scummy defense, he's hiding behind being a newbie and basically announcing if he's not going to post the entire game it's cause he's a newbie so others should be pressed for it instead? that said he can actually be busy Fidei was onto (TW + conversion) though, and it seemed like fidei was just pushing a bunch of townies although he could've slipped a scummate between them a well of course I'd also like to give Fidei the benefit of the doubt b/c I was cited in the past as acting pretty scummy here when I was floundering about from inactivity and lack of confidence. I would rather have on the board some confidence and a deconstruction of my post from Fidei to support your scumtell so you can push it harder to let me argue and refine your read on me. yet btdt and fidei are readily pressuring me either for explaining my situation, or calling me scummy by making conclusions from my post that I can't really see from rereading my post Fidei might be scum, but I'm not sure. I find it really suspicious he's not giving me a benefit of the doubt and looking to push me as scum with one post on my end. Not saying I deserve a free town pass because I suck and I'm a newbie, but my experience in 2012 showed me that most experienced players ignored me as just that: a newbie until it became important for me to step up and contribute. I can't make sense of his flipflopping + undecisiveness on fidei, PB are your thoughts on BTDT the same? I honestly don't see how his play works out by tunneling me-- I think it's just a weak play at best if I end up getting lynched and flipping town, so I'm inclined to believe he's town but idk. I don't think lynching him today is going to get us anywhere, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. really is this guy just not giving opinions on all his scummates (fide+btdt)? The two I think are Mafia are BH and TW. TW because I didn't like any of his posts about town reads. He generally seems rather disinterested in doing anything on doing any useful reads, lazily labels people as town, doesn't build a case on anyone, and doesn't seem to do much except make the occassional post here and there. I still find BH's play super weird-- comical or not (which I can't tell), he's been doing nothing as well and with the arguments happening here, I feel like making posts for people to push/question is the way to clear yourself up. The last one is a pretty big tossup, but I'm leaning towards PB. He hasn't changed his view on BTDT and put off his analysis, but I'm not very confident on this one. Alright so basically he keeps summing up arguments for fidei/btdt scum....except he never goes for it. then his scumreads are on people I townread (TW+BH) and suddenly he's more confident. He then chainsaw defends btdt by saying he's leaning towards me, because he's not confident in my analysis.... but where's btdt/fidei on his list? and he liked me earlier, why the 180? why is he not confident in my analysis? no explanation, esp since he thought btdt could be scum, me thinking btdt is scum shouldn't make him jump from btdt to me without a good reason, right? Also I don't think BTDT is mafia, which I mentioned at least once already. just that the tunnel on me felt weird, which is why I asked PB about his opinion on him I'm placing a vote on PB. I don't know if I should lynch TW with a blue claim, and for some reason BH is being fought over and makes me doubt if I'll really get anything out of a D1 lynch who made almost no informative posts and people fighting over his meta, which I have no idea about PB still isn't here 24 mins before the deadline, so there's my vote. I'm boarding a flight now so I won't be available until after night. this just seems like an easy vote, I'm not there so vote me for it, PrisonBreak: I really, really dislike his play. IDK if that’s because he’s just busy, he’s not caring as much about this game, or he’s scum trying to fly under the radar. I’m seeing a lot of disingenuous posts from him (saying he will post his reads later, still hasn’t done so) and then blames his inactivity based on something “not happening” when he checks the thread. Before the deadline he makes two posts on the vote count, doesn’t do anything to dissuade votes off of him, and doesn’t make any informative posts (Onegu/Tubesock is town—Onegu lead the “shenanigan” lynch whatever that is, Tumblewood is town). Questions Grack, makes some prods at BTDT and leaves. His play looks really sloppy from what he did in Generic II, but honestly there were some easy questions I made to you that you could have answered way before deadline was approaching. I asked you to post reads and asked you why you still think BTDT is scum, and he just disappeared and posted whatever he did before deadline. Really suspicious to me. I'm not sure what this is but for some reason he keeps tunneling me without coming to conclusions. And it does't seem to fit his earlier stances (on me being town, btdt possible scum) in the slightest. He also mentions vivax which I mentioned as possibly scum - although I'll give him that idk if I said that prior to this, I think I mentioned it before though. More importantly... he townreads people that lead the fidei lynch... and doesn't mention at all that I wanted fidei dead and fidei wanted me dead which was maybe the first thing to actually happen this game between fidei and someone else.... very suspicious to ignore this in his "analysis" OK so I avoided reading TW because I thought he'd get NK'd with his doctor claim.. do we lynch him? This is pretty bad like I understand that if one of (vivax, HF) is scum, then it can't be btdt+conversion, but my scumread on conversion isn't really based off associations with btdt. more about associations with fidei. like this guy outright townreads fidei which he initially scumreads without giving a proper reasoning, and pushes townies instead. I know I'm town and I townread most people he actually pushed as well. that said he does want to lynch vivax. but if he's mafia and knows HF isn't scum, then he'd want to lynch vivax as well, so idk if that's relevant. yea what do people think about conversion? I don't want to fall into scumreading him for being a newbie, but I think he's definitely a consideration for scum ---- beentheredonethat still looks extremely bad. I'm super fine with lynching PB, this guy smells like scum. The overall tone of his post is so super soft, so not-pushy, so calm, so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz really lynch pb he just hosted a game in which I took firm stances. so he should know this isn't a scumtell, besides, I don't think I was non-pushy at all. I pretty much pushed fidei/btdt + gave townreads and he is OMGUS'ing me at best. Going through his filter I don't see a moment where I should suddenly townread him, Here's where I'm at: (no particular order right now) Don't lynch: Vivax Fidei Lynch: Prison Break + Show Spoiler + Tubesock + Show Spoiler + Others: Conversion - hmm. His filter is full of stuff, so there's more to read into, so I'd just wait a bit. The mobile stuff still makes me headache and I think he's getting away too easy with some stuff but I realize that this is super generic. I'm not filter diving him right now. this looks extremely bad and it connects him with Conversion the same way Conversion connects to him I still think PB is scum tho :O And HF might also be because he was super duper late on Fidei Ignores the fidei flip, obviously didnt look into my or fideis filter to see the interactions between us. Just lazy continuig his push on me who was inactive at the moment. and his stance on HF would depend on HF's alignment so idk what that means until HF or vivax flip. ----------------------- where I'm at is beentheredonethat and conversion both look extremely scummy, I would call them a scumteam if we didn't have vivax vs HF right now. If there's any way vivax+hf is town vs town then I'd say btdt + conversion as the team. if not it could still be one of them + (vivax or hf). probably vivax then. I'm going to filter vivax grackaroni and HF next though | ||
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yea should've done this the first time instead lol | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote: And he knows that from Generic II. This guy is absolutely scummy. What do you mean? In generic I could quote but not multi-quote. I also found out the filter option like halfway through that game. I can't remember if I used the quote button in generic or that I just quoted posts one at a time. On the sites I usually play there's a different button for quote or multi quote (where you can put multiple quotes in the same post) Is there a way to do that on this site as well? (I just used the quote button in my previous post, but I mean multi quoting which will show the date / who posted etc. as well) also beentheredonethat lol I actually want people to read it rofl. lowkey I'm getting flood controled again lol. how many posts do I need to hit before this turns off? "The guidelines that determine if someone is flooding are stricter for newer members" damn. I need to keep this in mind so I don't get flood controled at a crucial moment (deadline) again. because this is rediculous. I legit waited for prob 10+ min and still can't post this... | ||
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Any chance they'd both vote me yesterday? maybe trying to get my lynched over fidei In that case I could maybe see btdt being town despite playing scummy, because he also wants to kill vivax here | ||
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On June 07 2017 04:26 Prison Break wrote: If Vivax flips scum I want to lynch Conversion Any chance they'd both vote me yesterday? maybe trying to get my lynched over fidei In that case I could maybe see btdt being town despite playing scummy, because he also wants to kill vivax here wait this is bad conversion wants vivax dead, and beentheredonethat wants HF dead so beentheredonethat looks worse on a vivax=scum flip also im most confident in vivax now cause he didnt retract, so voted him really if its, say, 80% vivax scum 20% vivax cop and we lynch HF tomorrow, then im cool with that odds I was just afraid of the possibility of it being town vs town which would be a terrible outcome | ||
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also maybe they leave TW alive so vivax has an excuse for surviving the night in case we decide to leave both alive? or so we can't do that and are forced to decide now last thing can someone walk me through possible set-ups. do we think a cop is hiding if vivax=scum, or, d we think town has another blue (or none at all)? if answering this is bad then ok, but HF keeps telling me to "believe" but it really seems like hes telling me not to care but i think it's relevant here. | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:59 Holyflare wrote: It's not scummy in the slightest. I'm forfeit from ever being solidly town read in a game by virtue of just being too damn good at scum. For what it's worth I feel like the people not townreading me are doing it cause of me being scum last game mainly. It's no coincidence that you, me and TW all get heavy pressure I feel like people are just ignoring a lot of stuff, like point out scummy things I'm doing, no they ignore Fidei vs me, and the fact my opinion/reads are almost the same as a lot of people. And I'm still someone possible scum but I don't see any good arguments for it That said I do have a problem keeping up with the thread | ||
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On June 08 2017 08:49 Vivax wrote: Just lynch HF tomorrow. If you flip VT, which I doubt since I think you're scum, then really I don't understand your play at all, and you/others kept saying you wouldn't do this as VT either If HF didn't fake blue, then the real blue would've been outed because why? I don't get it | ||
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On June 08 2017 08:57 Blazinghand wrote: Thought process being used here: 1) assume Tumblewood is real Doctor 2) Assume we only have two blues 3) Vivax claims Cop 4) Now, a hidden Cop thinks, "Vivax must be scum, because I am the real cop" 5) Enough time goes by, if it looks Vivax won't get lynched, the hidden cop counterclaims to make it true 6) this is really convenient for Scum Vivax, because now his final teammate catches a cop 7) this gets averted by HF's fake blueclaim not saying this is true, but this is the thought process It makes "sense" as scum, but I don't see it making sense as VT, is what I'm saying. It seems like a bad play as either alignment cause he just kind of gave up though. I'm still cool with the lynch fwiw. | ||
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I remember multiple people saying the flip didn't affect me, didn't change their thoughts on me, or similar things | ||
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On June 08 2017 09:13 beentheredonethat wrote: Can you please provide proof for the bolded part in the originally quoted post? I still think PB is scum tho :O This is your post after fidei's flip, which completely ignores the fact I wanted him dead and he was calling me out as well. Like it doesn't clear me out, of course, but I'd expect at least more than "k I still think this". For example last game I would also do this to sicklurker, and I was also scum there. Scum doesn't have incentive to change their mind after a flip, Town does. And I remember multiple people make posts like this, really I don't feel like digging them all up, unless if you actually think I'm lying / calling me out on it then I will. But right now I'd prefer to spend my time rereading what happened last X pages. | ||
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almost starting to wonder if you had perfect information (both vivax / HF being town?) | ||
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