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On June 19 2017 11:14 Tubesock wrote: Those are all things I think you're capable of doing as scum. D1 busses are not that uncommon. I think you're more likely to flip mafia than Conversion. I never will change my doubting stuff since it's my own self? Also I don't do planned bussing at all nor do I risk being the absolute hammered my own scummate at EoD 1. I prioritize my team heavily and would of tried to change the wagon back to BH EoD 1 right there.You can see how much I prioritize my team chance of winning with little losses in Cell Millionaire at least if you looked into that QT. I play more for the team than myself as scum. | ||
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On June 19 2017 14:04 Conversion wrote: also ??? obviously if you think you are town it's a toss up between me and tube so what good is this statement Well it didn't seem like you were willing to talk which is why I made that statement but please get better with whatever illness is hurting you. | ||
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Current game stuff + Show Spoiler + First his interaction with TW On June 03 2017 10:20 Tubesock wrote: uh the not keeping up with half a page of one liners. 4 by one peron.... SInce no one is talking, what are your thoughts on BH's RNG lynch? Do you think anything about it? Kinda over explained the joke part to TW and over reacted to TW over the suppose joke. His treatment on Vivax seems a odd transmission from this post: On June 04 2017 07:00 Tubesock wrote: No way I'm lynching Vivax. to this post: On June 05 2017 07:15 Tubesock wrote: I kinda think Vivax just wants to be contrarian. V I don't think it's a leap to say BH may want to do nothing day one. Not many people enjoy the shitshow that day one is. So I have a difficult time scumming HF for saying BH is a coin flip. Everything else he says seems logical and towny. Plus if he's mafia HF is making things more difficult for himself. Was strange I mean why you thought he was town yet was contrarian at the same time? Then later he wanted to lynch him as shown in these two posts: On June 05 2017 07:43 Tubesock wrote: I'm contemplating a yolo vivax lynch. On June 05 2017 08:54 Tubesock wrote: Oh so now you guys want to kill Vivax with me. He said he didn't like some of his analyzes or his last reads which is odd because he was townreading Vivax earlier. Next: On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote: Just in case: PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible. Never really give much reasons to townread ritoky outside of his mindmeld which is strange I would of thought he more reasons to read someone town other than just a mindmeld. Also he didn't really gave much of a read on me at the time too I would of figured he would of tried to read me. On June 10 2017 07:09 Tubesock wrote: I think mafia RB'd TW to mindfuck town. Then when town starts thinking why is HF alive, they can kill TW and then say well they had to kill the confirmed Doc so that's why HF is alive and he'd be alive for another night and can set up for his last partner. Potential TMI regarding TW how TW was roleblocked for certain reasons? Also he very little interactions with ritoky at all while the rest game he had more interactions with the game probably to avoid bussing him until ritoky claimed scum. Last scum game: + Show Spoiler + In Nutcracker his scummates were Tictock and Vivax his filter is here if you want to read his entire filter from that game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=Tubesock. But in that game he didn't really interact to much with Tictock or Vivax with 2 posts directed to Tictock himself while 0 to Vivax yet was pushing people off of lynching Vivax until he fake claimed a rolecop candy that town or scum could be given and bussed Vivax was first on the wagon. In his first reds post he didn't give much reasons why he was townreading others but gave some reasons why he was scumreading people here: On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: Towny Order Tubesock GlowingBear Koshi - had an entire post in CAPS LOCK. Ritoky Sukrit TicTock LightningStrike - 1/2 Koshitownness since his post was only 1/2 CAPS lock. Null/mafia not necessarily in order but kinda Shapelog Damdred Rels GiygaS Kushm4sta Vivax Shapelog I have the same suspicions everyone else does/did. I haven't really studied his filter to see what he's done after the heat was off him. Or what he did eod other than vote Kush. Damdred I read Damdred's filter solely because of the GB hammer. I didn't like the shenanies but I have seen Damdred do that multiple times as town. Damdred doesn't address GB or Kush at all in his filter and only mentions Vivax with T-4 minutes to EOD. I think he had about 2 reads. I think Rels is right taht he is disinterested in the game. I disagree that it is mafia motivated though. Damdred in my eyes is like Marv/Palmar/Holyflare/BH, if they are alive d4 it's because they are mafia. Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's. I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read. The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy. GiygaS I liked his Rels points. That's pretty much all he's done. Even rereading his filter I didn't see anything that jumps out in either direction. I liked that he didn't seem too phased during kusgate 2015. For the record I don't think anyone who read my filter would think I sheeped GiygaS on Rels. Did G reaffirm and add to things? Yes. Another Rels exaggeration. Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. But he's done jackshit. I think I've read or played with him in 3 games. He was anti-town in all of them. I think copcheck/poe him later. Vivax has like 4 posts all "I'm sheeping Koshi". Even though he did give more reasons for his scumreads his townreads had 0 or little reasons. His last town game: + Show Spoiler + His filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia?user=Tubesock He interacted with people more in that game throughout the game yes even with the scumteam there of Vivax,Koshi, ExO, SKynx with 3rd person players in Artanis/Rels, GB, Acroface he shown he wasn't afraid much to talk to anyone. Here is my case on Tubesock but unfornately I wont be much except on mobile till way past deadline if you got questions Conversion while I am away let me know. ##Vote Tubesock | ||
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On June 20 2017 02:04 LightningStrike wrote: I pretty sure now that it's tubesock based on several things: Current game stuff + Show Spoiler + First his interaction with TW On June 03 2017 10:20 Tubesock wrote: uh the not keeping up with half a page of one liners. 4 by one peron.... SInce no one is talking, what are your thoughts on BH's RNG lynch? Do you think anything about it? Kinda over explained the joke part to TW and over reacted to TW over the suppose joke. His treatment on Vivax seems a odd transmission from this post: On June 04 2017 07:00 Tubesock wrote: No way I'm lynching Vivax. to this post: On June 05 2017 07:15 Tubesock wrote: I kinda think Vivax just wants to be contrarian. V I don't think it's a leap to say BH may want to do nothing day one. Not many people enjoy the shitshow that day one is. So I have a difficult time scumming HF for saying BH is a coin flip. Everything else he says seems logical and towny. Plus if he's mafia HF is making things more difficult for himself. Was strange I mean why you thought he was town yet was contrarian at the same time? Then later he wanted to lynch him as shown in these two posts: On June 05 2017 07:43 Tubesock wrote: I'm contemplating a yolo vivax lynch. On June 05 2017 08:54 Tubesock wrote: Oh so now you guys want to kill Vivax with me. He said he didn't like some of his analyzes or his last reads which is odd because he was townreading Vivax earlier. Next: On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote: Just in case: PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible. Never really give much reasons to townread ritoky outside of his mindmeld which is strange I would of thought he more reasons to read someone town other than just a mindmeld. Also he didn't really gave much of a read on me at the time too I would of figured he would of tried to read me. On June 10 2017 07:09 Tubesock wrote: I think mafia RB'd TW to mindfuck town. Then when town starts thinking why is HF alive, they can kill TW and then say well they had to kill the confirmed Doc so that's why HF is alive and he'd be alive for another night and can set up for his last partner. Potential TMI regarding TW how TW was roleblocked for certain reasons? Also he very little interactions with ritoky at all while the rest game he had more interactions with the game probably to avoid bussing him until ritoky claimed scum. Last scum game: + Show Spoiler + In Nutcracker his scummates were Tictock and Vivax his filter is here if you want to read his entire filter from that game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=Tubesock. But in that game he didn't really interact to much with Tictock or Vivax with 2 posts directed to Tictock himself while 0 to Vivax yet was pushing people off of lynching Vivax until he fake claimed a rolecop candy that town or scum could be given and bussed Vivax was first on the wagon. In his first reds post he didn't give much reasons why he was townreading others but gave some reasons why he was scumreading people here: On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: Towny Order Tubesock GlowingBear Koshi - had an entire post in CAPS LOCK. Ritoky Sukrit TicTock LightningStrike - 1/2 Koshitownness since his post was only 1/2 CAPS lock. Null/mafia not necessarily in order but kinda Shapelog Damdred Rels GiygaS Kushm4sta Vivax Shapelog I have the same suspicions everyone else does/did. I haven't really studied his filter to see what he's done after the heat was off him. Or what he did eod other than vote Kush. Damdred I read Damdred's filter solely because of the GB hammer. I didn't like the shenanies but I have seen Damdred do that multiple times as town. Damdred doesn't address GB or Kush at all in his filter and only mentions Vivax with T-4 minutes to EOD. I think he had about 2 reads. I think Rels is right taht he is disinterested in the game. I disagree that it is mafia motivated though. Damdred in my eyes is like Marv/Palmar/Holyflare/BH, if they are alive d4 it's because they are mafia. Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's. I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read. The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy. GiygaS I liked his Rels points. That's pretty much all he's done. Even rereading his filter I didn't see anything that jumps out in either direction. I liked that he didn't seem too phased during kusgate 2015. For the record I don't think anyone who read my filter would think I sheeped GiygaS on Rels. Did G reaffirm and add to things? Yes. Another Rels exaggeration. Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. But he's done jackshit. I think I've read or played with him in 3 games. He was anti-town in all of them. I think copcheck/poe him later. Vivax has like 4 posts all "I'm sheeping Koshi". Even though he did give more reasons for his scumreads his townreads had 0 or little reasons. His last town game: + Show Spoiler + His filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia?user=Tubesock He interacted with people more in that game throughout the game yes even with the scumteam there of Vivax,Koshi, ExO, SKynx with 3rd person players in Artanis/Rels, GB, Acroface he shown he wasn't afraid much to talk to anyone. Here is my case on Tubesock but unfornately I wont be much except on mobile till way past deadline if you got questions Conversion while I am away let me know. ##Vote Tubesock | ||
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On June 20 2017 05:38 Conversion wrote: LS the problem I have with you is that your town game is pretty different from this game and Generic II I might be reading it wrong, but you at least posted and pushed your convictions in GII, whereas you sort of just meandered about and contributed nothing you had me as a tossup with Tubesock, but the moment TS put his vote on you you built a case against him and didn't entertain the thought of me being scum (which you openly did in GII, but just said Grack looked scummier than PB) I reevaluated and hope the host just end game now. | ||
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On June 20 2017 05:40 Conversion wrote: instead you just said "GG if you're scum Conversion" which is like, not what you did in GII? You always kept the open opportunity that PB might have been scum all this time, so I would think that you would be more careful in giving me a free town pass and be even MORE skeptical of me, but meh might be because of your vacation, but if you knew that you were going to be on vacation and possibly be alive for LYLO you should have played more town than not. it's confusing as hell for me to try and read people when more than 80% of their filter is just them not saying anything even up until almost 3 hours before LYLO I didn't know we would be in LYLO while I was on vacation aka thought game would end sooner. | ||
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On June 20 2017 17:32 Holyflare wrote: Just afk next time? Ironically that what kita said >.> | ||
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On June 22 2017 21:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all sorry for kitaman for being such a terrible co-host. My shifts got changed for the last two weeks so i had basically time to work and sleep and whenever i could do something it was on phone. Doing votecounts on phone takes like an hour because i hate touch screens. Fortunately all went well, and i just focused on loosely following the game whenever i could and looked everything plays out fine.That being said i think LS needs a ban for conceding as town and playing against his wincondition in LYLO. There is no way to continue game after that post. There are also many things to be learnt from this game if anyone cares. - When someone comes into the game and a few hours into the game calls about 8 people scum they are usually mafia. I got honestly super "wtfffff" when i had read that particular Fidei post, went to the google docs and didn't see ritoky as mafia (as my phone has some ad or some notification that blocks the last few names from the list) since ritoky's reaction to the post was quite telling aswell.  - Grackaroni had the game 90% in the bag on D2. Unfortunately Vivax blew D2 and it all went forgotten. I sent this to kitaman: The moral of the story is don't do dumb things like fakeclaim cop because all the good stuff goes forgotten when you waste the day. - It kinda should have been very easy to tell who is the one of the blues fakeclaiming. The way Holyflare reacted to Vivax' fake check was a strong indicator he is not mafia, and blue. It was like he knew he is not gonna get lynched and not in a way like greens do. It was more like "fuck you, i also have this claim in my back pocket so you literally can't lynch me here ever". If Tumblewood was mafia they would not (well at least i know i never would) waste the roleblock into keeping Tumblewood alive for 2 nights since he can just claim he protted someone else (like HF for example N1) as the night kills were on people not usually protected. It doesn't make Tumblewood look any worse if he says "i was on Holyflare N1 since i think Holyflare is the best player in the game". However ritoky's claim was super sketchy since ritoky posted he doesn't know which one of Tumble and HF is mafia. If that was the case you ALWAYS check into those two as a cop. Always. That's it, that made ritoky's claim fake. - When you have confirmed mafia you lynch it. Not only was the town's reasoning to NOT lynch ritoky D4 bad, but the town didn't even follow their own reasoning why they didn't lynch him... There is also the moral factor. When you lynch mafia people are like "yeah guys one more to go let's kill the last scum!!!", but if you don't and you hit town, people usually go "fuck we should have just lynched the mafia ". It affects on people and their motivation, it really does.That's pretty much all. gg and gratz to scum. On June 20 2017 05:43 LightningStrike wrote: Kitaman just put 3 game ban for me post game. | ||
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On June 23 2017 04:41 kitaman27 wrote: I'd say this was more of a modkill than a concession. If this were day one, he would have flipped at the deadline and the game would have continued. Unfortunately, when he was removed there was only 1 mafia and 1 town remaining so it resulted in a mafia victory. Discussing bans while the game is ongoing is against the rules according to the OP. LS was already playing under a warning due to his derogatory remarks earlier in the game. I think it would be a poor precedent to allow players to post in the thread requesting mod actions in exchange for "town cred". Conversion may have seen those posts and think to himself "Well the game is still going on. If he's mafia then he would have just conceded, so he must be town!". While Conversion may have interpreted those posts as being completely irrelevant to his alignment, I had to make a judgement call that his posts broke the rules. It definitely wasn't the outcome I wanted to see for an otherwise entertaining game either. And that why I think a 3 game ban is fine. No one but me and you(idk if Rayn knew) knew I was playing under a warning. Anyways have fun next month kita that island is perfect for surfing ;D | ||
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