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Quit entertaining me. I have to read filters so that I don't end up at the final 3 with LS and PB again lol.
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I probably undervalued the fact that TW was an important vote in the Fidei lynch but the problem was that this play wasn't worth it for scum. You guys should have just killed Tumblewood night 1 and left Onegu in.
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I read through Conversion's filter and I am ~95% convinced that he is town. He has an open thought process and weighs in on everything that happens in thread. His reads shift a lot. He gives a fair number of unjustified reads, which I don't think newer scum players like to do. Overall his filter just reads a lot like the perspective of a new town player.
I would be a lot more surprised if he were to flip mafia than I was with PB in the last game.
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On June 12 2017 05:15 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2017 05:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I read through Conversion's filter and I am ~95% convinced that he is town. He has an open thought process and weighs in on everything that happens in thread. His reads shift a lot. He gives a fair number of unjustified reads, which I don't think newer scum players like to do. Overall his filter just reads a lot like the perspective of a new town player.
I would be a lot more surprised if he were to flip mafia than I was with PB in the last game. Conversion and pb are not mafia. Ls is probably not mafia. Tube is very unlikely. Btdt/you Btdt most likely So i shoot 
Yeah.
Please let me make my reads without interjecting with your badness. I'm one of the least likely ones. If I'm not town read in this game then I don't know what game I will be town read in.
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Honestly if BTDT is mafia it's in spite of most of the things you say.
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I haven't gotten to his filter yet, but calling you mafia after Ritoky confessed doesn't make him scum.
Being green checked also doesn't make him scum.
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One thing I did see that makes me a little hesitant about BTDT scum is that Ritoky was very quick to endorse this case written by him.
On June 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 21:32 Prison Break wrote:
Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking extremely early game, unless if he's just trying to move the game forward in which case it's not a scumtell
Tumblewoods initial response seemed forced, but the way he got to a townread after it is something I see town do when they realize a push is bad, or scum when they fear people will be onto them. But if tumblewood was scum wouldn't he realize his push was thin to say the least? Like I don't see how he has scum would make such a push just to retract it after, I don't think there was enough pressure on him to already back off from it. Based on this I conclude his change of mind was genuine not calculated, so leaning town on tumblewood despite me not liking his post initially. At least he's also trying to move the game forward which is worth something.
going to throw this out here cause I may be able to get something out of it, and it may help me make reads on people as well: what are some ways to go about catching scum, especially early game? I don't expect/want people to make an entire list because mafia will adapt, but I think a few examples or short answers will help the game move forward. I'll start off, in my experience who I think are "extremely scummy" often end up being town, and the extremely active/inactives as well (although this one isn't a golden rule), and often the people I nullread end up being scum. I think this is because scum wants to blend in and doesn't try to play as townie or as scummy as possible but somewhere in the safe middle. I think last game that would be true for myself as well. The first person PB speaks about is Fidei. Within like 2 sentences, then goes on to rant a lot about how Tumbleweed is something? Only to never pick up his points on Fidei again, but of course pressuring me once he realized ritoky was after me. He doesn't care to really push me though he's just happy to have his vote on me and doesn't care about much else. Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 02:34 Prison Break wrote:
I will post a list of my reads today - I like where my vote is now (based on page 1/14, reading the rest now) he didn't Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 08:45 Prison Break wrote:
Really everytime I check the thread nothing happens, and when I'm away it has 20+ pages when I come back lol. I'll see what i can do for now and the reads I won't be able to get to I will post tomorrow he did nothing (besides a votecount, wtf) Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 09:18 Prison Break wrote:
LOL
I thought I was the lynch, but I got flood control'd and couldn't defend myself, I'm so glad we lynched fidei and that he rolled scum rofl
ok I will use this night to catch up and post a list he didn't Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 09:39 Prison Break wrote:
I mean how many scum are there. I assume 3? one was fidei. Maybe one was AFK. So you make any conclusions on this based off literally 1 person who did or didn't fight it? It's even in the OP. Three. You should know. You played in Generic II, and you are coached, and you could've asked your coach about this, and you could've read the OP. This is a super constructed dumbtell. Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 02:08 Prison Break wrote:On June 05 2017 18:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
hahahaha fidei
I would've never caught him
good job Onegu. I'll go back to my retard corner and await the mislynch :D This is suspicious and doesn't realize I tried to kill fidei and HF says I could be scum etc. - why do you think the entire scumteam is trying to kill each other? I think this is very scummy and I wonder if you realized it or just call people scum. You didn't try to kill him. In the final vote count, your vote is not on him. You also didn't push him. + Show Spoiler +On June 05 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Day One Final Vote Count
Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood, Tubesock, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Holyflare
Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86, Holyflare, ritoky, beentheredonethat, Tubesock, LightningStrike, Vivax
Prison Break (2): Conversion, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Vivax
beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, ritoky, Tubesock
Vivax (1): Blazinghand, Holyflare, Tubesock, Blazinghand
LightningStrike (1): Tumblewood, Holyflare, ritoky
Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni, Tubesock, Vivax, Vivax
Grackaroni (0): Blazinghand
Holyflare (0): LightningStrike, Vivax, Tumblewood, LightningStrike
Conversion (0): beentheredonethat
Fidei86 will be lynched.
On June 06 2017 09:15 Prison Break wrote:
I'll be honest I'm not caught up so I haven't read any questions directed at me
I filtered some people that were the primary lynch targets and gave my opinion on them
No I haven't posted a list but I have given reads on at least half the players which is something
I'm sorry for not engaging as much as I'd like to, it's more because of being busy / I find it hard to read through everything ( like I could read through it quickly, but I prefer to keep looking for connections and read things thoroughly so I tend to read back and filter people while reading, some people take that as me "coming up with the right conclusions based on nothing", but I can tell you if I were mafia I would've just dropped random reads and posts every now and then. But right now I want to actually only post when I'm caught up / when I have good reads because I'm not scum this game. )
I think a lot of people are biased because of last game, and when you realize Tumblewood would've been the lynch prior to claiming, HF has a lot of suspicion, and people want me dead or are suspiciouos of me, I'd say that is the exact scumteam of last people and people should look if we're actually scum again or that it's just a bias.
Like I said my scumread on beentheredonethat is strong, if he has done anything in the last pages that I haven't read yet then I may reconsider, but, he did a lot of really scummy stuff early on which I pointed out so something really crazy would have had to happen for me to change my mind on him.
I think it's also scummy that people are saying that I can be scum while completely ignoring the Fidei86 flip. Yes I "bussed" HF last game but read the quicktopic and you'll see that:
- I asked peoples stances on bussing/hard defending, and HF clearly said he is cool with either
- Later on, he said "keep the pressure, I like the pressure, I'm not getting lynch" etc.
- He would get alive=scummed eventually anyway
- I was the roleblocker, he was vanilla
- Fidei was godfather
- HF townread me that game while I scumread him, in this game, Fidei was suspicious of me and I responded by calling him out on his behavior. Doesn't that make sense? Fidei as scum pushing a lot of people for "lurking", me calling him out and pushing for his lynch, beentheredonethat attacking me for it and saying Fidei is town. Like how does this not make sense from a me being town and fidei + possibly beentheredonethat being scum? Explain that to me please. Also explain why I would be so hesistant to post: last game I would make shit up and recklessly vote during night phases, post random reads, sometimes without explanation, etc. Right now I'm clearly trying to actually put effort in the content of what I say....rather than the presentation of it.
I'm sorry if i come off desinterested, I'm not, I just couldn't get myself to read through everything + I am busy
I'll try to get as far as I can and will drop my thoughts, I did plan on dropping a list, but for now I think beentheredonethat is scum and vivax is someone I want to look into more. And I've given a lot of townreads that I still think are town as well but I'll filter them to confirm Self-explanatory. Claims to have filtered people he doesn't like (that's basically me) and admits to not have done anything and excuses. wow. amazing! Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 11:40 Prison Break wrote:
I am filtering some people and here are some
hard townreads:
Tumblewood - had him townread prior to claim, then un cc'd blue, probably alive because rb
Tubesock - wants to go for vivax/btdt with I agree with despite him saying earlier he wouldnt, or didnt know how to feel about them, which seems like town progressing his reads, 2nd vote on Fidei
Blazinghand - town, explained this earlier
LightningStrike - "I town here I ready to redeem myself for what happened last!" motived start. Called out "James" early on. Saying he needs to keep an eye on me instead of actually saying what I do is scummy gives him towncred as well. stuff such as "Also btdt's argument is pretty dumb but don't think it makes him scum necessary. It just a dumb argument I feel." shows he at least tries to consider things from multiple angels. "Anyways we do need to figure out who we lynching today since EoD is in 8 hours." tries to keep town on the right track. Voted Fidei at some point. Okay, so you have lots of town reads, fine, but why don't you then filter the others who should at least be scummy to you then, right? right? Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 13:32 Prison Break wrote:
yea so based on my reads I'm not buying this claim
but I want to hear from HF + see if someone CC's (unless if grack is right on him being VT, I really suck at judging these sandbag things you guys do here rofl, where I usually play lie=die) ????? "Based on me scumreading BTDT and townrteading a bunch of others, I am not buying this claim!" ??????????
On June 08 2017 05:26 ritoky wrote:
that's a pretty decent case.
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I'm being dickish.
But can I ask, am I just in the territory where I'm always a potential mafia?
I'm never going to have like the BH obvious thought process posts because a lot of the things people post about I don't find very telling.
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On June 12 2017 05:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2017 05:56 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm being dickish.
But can I ask, am I just in the territory where I'm always a potential mafia?
I'm never going to have like the BH obvious thought process posts because a lot of the things people post about I don't find very telling. No you just haven't done that much. And you afkd to come back yesterday and say ritoky's crumbs didn't make sense but did nothing. So it's fishy. But not btdt fishy.
I don't agree really.
I sheep voted the first scum and then I told you why you shouldn't lynch Vivax and then I spent the rest of my time pushing Ritoky. I'm not sure what else I could have done other than saving Tumblewood.
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I'm going to move on to the next filter.
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On June 12 2017 07:23 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2017 05:44 Grackaroni wrote:One thing I did see that makes me a little hesitant about BTDT scum is that Ritoky was very quick to endorse this case written by him. On June 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 03 2017 21:32 Prison Break wrote:
Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking extremely early game, unless if he's just trying to move the game forward in which case it's not a scumtell
Tumblewoods initial response seemed forced, but the way he got to a townread after it is something I see town do when they realize a push is bad, or scum when they fear people will be onto them. But if tumblewood was scum wouldn't he realize his push was thin to say the least? Like I don't see how he has scum would make such a push just to retract it after, I don't think there was enough pressure on him to already back off from it. Based on this I conclude his change of mind was genuine not calculated, so leaning town on tumblewood despite me not liking his post initially. At least he's also trying to move the game forward which is worth something.
going to throw this out here cause I may be able to get something out of it, and it may help me make reads on people as well: what are some ways to go about catching scum, especially early game? I don't expect/want people to make an entire list because mafia will adapt, but I think a few examples or short answers will help the game move forward. I'll start off, in my experience who I think are "extremely scummy" often end up being town, and the extremely active/inactives as well (although this one isn't a golden rule), and often the people I nullread end up being scum. I think this is because scum wants to blend in and doesn't try to play as townie or as scummy as possible but somewhere in the safe middle. I think last game that would be true for myself as well. The first person PB speaks about is Fidei. Within like 2 sentences, then goes on to rant a lot about how Tumbleweed is something? Only to never pick up his points on Fidei again, but of course pressuring me once he realized ritoky was after me. He doesn't care to really push me though he's just happy to have his vote on me and doesn't care about much else. On June 05 2017 02:34 Prison Break wrote:
I will post a list of my reads today - I like where my vote is now (based on page 1/14, reading the rest now) he didn't On June 05 2017 08:45 Prison Break wrote:
Really everytime I check the thread nothing happens, and when I'm away it has 20+ pages when I come back lol. I'll see what i can do for now and the reads I won't be able to get to I will post tomorrow he did nothing (besides a votecount, wtf) On June 05 2017 09:18 Prison Break wrote:
LOL
I thought I was the lynch, but I got flood control'd and couldn't defend myself, I'm so glad we lynched fidei and that he rolled scum rofl
ok I will use this night to catch up and post a list he didn't On June 05 2017 09:39 Prison Break wrote:
I mean how many scum are there. I assume 3? one was fidei. Maybe one was AFK. So you make any conclusions on this based off literally 1 person who did or didn't fight it? It's even in the OP. Three. You should know. You played in Generic II, and you are coached, and you could've asked your coach about this, and you could've read the OP. This is a super constructed dumbtell. On June 06 2017 02:08 Prison Break wrote:On June 05 2017 18:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
hahahaha fidei
I would've never caught him
good job Onegu. I'll go back to my retard corner and await the mislynch :D This is suspicious and doesn't realize I tried to kill fidei and HF says I could be scum etc. - why do you think the entire scumteam is trying to kill each other? I think this is very scummy and I wonder if you realized it or just call people scum. You didn't try to kill him. In the final vote count, your vote is not on him. You also didn't push him. + Show Spoiler +On June 05 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Day One Final Vote Count
Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood, Tubesock, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Holyflare
Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86, Holyflare, ritoky, beentheredonethat, Tubesock, LightningStrike, Vivax
Prison Break (2): Conversion, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Vivax
beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, ritoky, Tubesock
Vivax (1): Blazinghand, Holyflare, Tubesock, Blazinghand
LightningStrike (1): Tumblewood, Holyflare, ritoky
Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni, Tubesock, Vivax, Vivax
Grackaroni (0): Blazinghand
Holyflare (0): LightningStrike, Vivax, Tumblewood, LightningStrike
Conversion (0): beentheredonethat
Fidei86 will be lynched.
On June 06 2017 09:15 Prison Break wrote:
I'll be honest I'm not caught up so I haven't read any questions directed at me
I filtered some people that were the primary lynch targets and gave my opinion on them
No I haven't posted a list but I have given reads on at least half the players which is something
I'm sorry for not engaging as much as I'd like to, it's more because of being busy / I find it hard to read through everything ( like I could read through it quickly, but I prefer to keep looking for connections and read things thoroughly so I tend to read back and filter people while reading, some people take that as me "coming up with the right conclusions based on nothing", but I can tell you if I were mafia I would've just dropped random reads and posts every now and then. But right now I want to actually only post when I'm caught up / when I have good reads because I'm not scum this game. )
I think a lot of people are biased because of last game, and when you realize Tumblewood would've been the lynch prior to claiming, HF has a lot of suspicion, and people want me dead or are suspiciouos of me, I'd say that is the exact scumteam of last people and people should look if we're actually scum again or that it's just a bias.
Like I said my scumread on beentheredonethat is strong, if he has done anything in the last pages that I haven't read yet then I may reconsider, but, he did a lot of really scummy stuff early on which I pointed out so something really crazy would have had to happen for me to change my mind on him.
I think it's also scummy that people are saying that I can be scum while completely ignoring the Fidei86 flip. Yes I "bussed" HF last game but read the quicktopic and you'll see that:
- I asked peoples stances on bussing/hard defending, and HF clearly said he is cool with either
- Later on, he said "keep the pressure, I like the pressure, I'm not getting lynch" etc.
- He would get alive=scummed eventually anyway
- I was the roleblocker, he was vanilla
- Fidei was godfather
- HF townread me that game while I scumread him, in this game, Fidei was suspicious of me and I responded by calling him out on his behavior. Doesn't that make sense? Fidei as scum pushing a lot of people for "lurking", me calling him out and pushing for his lynch, beentheredonethat attacking me for it and saying Fidei is town. Like how does this not make sense from a me being town and fidei + possibly beentheredonethat being scum? Explain that to me please. Also explain why I would be so hesistant to post: last game I would make shit up and recklessly vote during night phases, post random reads, sometimes without explanation, etc. Right now I'm clearly trying to actually put effort in the content of what I say....rather than the presentation of it.
I'm sorry if i come off desinterested, I'm not, I just couldn't get myself to read through everything + I am busy
I'll try to get as far as I can and will drop my thoughts, I did plan on dropping a list, but for now I think beentheredonethat is scum and vivax is someone I want to look into more. And I've given a lot of townreads that I still think are town as well but I'll filter them to confirm Self-explanatory. Claims to have filtered people he doesn't like (that's basically me) and admits to not have done anything and excuses. wow. amazing! On June 06 2017 11:40 Prison Break wrote:
I am filtering some people and here are some
hard townreads:
Tumblewood - had him townread prior to claim, then un cc'd blue, probably alive because rb
Tubesock - wants to go for vivax/btdt with I agree with despite him saying earlier he wouldnt, or didnt know how to feel about them, which seems like town progressing his reads, 2nd vote on Fidei
Blazinghand - town, explained this earlier
LightningStrike - "I town here I ready to redeem myself for what happened last!" motived start. Called out "James" early on. Saying he needs to keep an eye on me instead of actually saying what I do is scummy gives him towncred as well. stuff such as "Also btdt's argument is pretty dumb but don't think it makes him scum necessary. It just a dumb argument I feel." shows he at least tries to consider things from multiple angels. "Anyways we do need to figure out who we lynching today since EoD is in 8 hours." tries to keep town on the right track. Voted Fidei at some point. Okay, so you have lots of town reads, fine, but why don't you then filter the others who should at least be scummy to you then, right? right? On June 06 2017 13:32 Prison Break wrote:
yea so based on my reads I'm not buying this claim
but I want to hear from HF + see if someone CC's (unless if grack is right on him being VT, I really suck at judging these sandbag things you guys do here rofl, where I usually play lie=die) ????? "Based on me scumreading BTDT and townrteading a bunch of others, I am not buying this claim!" ?????????? On June 08 2017 05:26 ritoky wrote:
that's a pretty decent case. I'm not making the connection here. Why does Ritoky endorsing or not endorsing this case mean anything for btdt?
I'm more used to seeing scum do that to a townie's case and usually see scum waiting for other reactions/being more critical of a teammate's case, especially since the case is primarily just yelling at PB for not giving reads.
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On June 12 2017 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Day One Final Vote Count
Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood, Tubesock, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Holyflare
Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86, Holyflare, ritoky, beentheredonethat, Tubesock, LightningStrike, Vivax
Prison Break (2): Conversion, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Vivax
beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, ritoky, Tubesock
Vivax (1): Blazinghand, Holyflare, Tubesock, Blazinghand
LightningStrike (1): Tumblewood, Holyflare, ritoky
Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni, Tubesock, Vivax, Vivax
Grackaroni (0): Blazinghand
Holyflare (0): LightningStrike, Vivax, Tumblewood, LightningStrike
Conversion (0): beentheredonethat
Fidei86 the Mafia Godfather has been lynched.
So this vote count I pretty much right about scum had no control of the lynch seeing that ritoky only appeared EoD and James was afk. Tubesock is cleared I think for being the 2nd one on the wagon. I know I am town and I think Grack is town too therefore I think the wagon is pure on James. So that again leaves PB, Conversion, and BTDT which would seem to lead to BTDT more than PB and Conversion from what I looked at James filter and ritoky's filter.
What in James' filter and Ritoky's filter lead you to BTDT?
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It looks like he's probably going to be one of the lynches either way. I'm going to try to be less lazy today and see if I can find anything.
I'm a little nervous about you tbh because I know that you're clever enough to change up your play style from the last game.
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On June 05 2017 04:27 beentheredonethat wrote:And it's SAD and it's a DISASTER
lol
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On June 14 2017 04:05 Prison Break wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2017 03:26 Grackaroni wrote:
It looks like he's probably going to be one of the lynches either way. I'm going to try to be less lazy today and see if I can find anything.
I'm a little nervous about you tbh because I know that you're clever enough to change up your play style from the last game. Well isn't that the same way people were paranoid about HF, who also flipped town? I guess go ahead and check my filter 10x, you won't find a thing.
I think there's not enough paranoia. 
HF, LS and even you have argued that you aren't scum because your game play is stylistically a lot different from generic II, but I have enough respect for your play to discount that.
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I finished reading through BTDT's filter. I don't really see it. I noticed that he gets confused a lot:
He talks about the possibility of Onegu/BH bussing after Onegu flipped.
He spends a long time believing BH voted Fidei because BH made a joke taking credit for the lynch.
He forgets about HF's case on TW when he pushes HF.
He pushes HF after Ritoky scum claims
He pushes HF/Ritoky as a team when there clearly wasn't going to be another blue claim.
Before I even look at HF's filter, I'm going to guess that the bulk of his case is based on these last three things, which I think is misguided since HF hasn't been under all that much real pressure of being lynched when they happened.
+ Show Spoiler +(lol ok right after I read BTDT's filter I took a look at the end of HF's filter and I was wrong)
I'm going to focus on Ritoky's claim and see if there were inconsistencies that BTDT should have picked up on regarding how Ritoky read him pre-claim post-check.
I'm not all that interested in the way BTDT responded to Ritoky's day 1 accusation because he had a calm response to something I wrote about his posts too right after his Ritoky response
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The only thing that I find strange from your filter is the honing in on TW & HF's votes as the most likely bus votes with my vote and LS' vote being unlikely bus votes, which just seems arbitrary to me.
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LS seems pretty unlikely as a partner from what I'm seeing in Ritoky's filter.
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PB's filter looks pretty good too.
BTDT seems like the best lynch, even though I don't think he's as lock scum as everyone else does.
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I'll definitely vote Ritoky tomorrow.
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