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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 12 2017 15:26 GMT
#871
Also if rayn is scum his play at EoD would make a little bit more sense honestly assuming both wagons EoD were town thus it wouldn't of matter who we lynched it would be a mislynch which scums wants to have happened.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 12 2017 15:44 GMT
#880
On May 13 2017 00:36 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1?

Btw, this is just you being wrong about me. I am one of the strongest proponents of intelligent sheeping on TL. It's not gonna be me that builds the best case every game. My job is to identify the best case and go with that.


The Palmar I know doesn't sheep people Day 1?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 12 2017 15:55 GMT
#884
On May 13 2017 00:50 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2017 00:44 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 13 2017 00:36 Palmar wrote:
On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1?

Btw, this is just you being wrong about me. I am one of the strongest proponents of intelligent sheeping on TL. It's not gonna be me that builds the best case every game. My job is to identify the best case and go with that.


The Palmar I know doesn't sheep people Day 1?

Then you just don't know me. It's like one of the things I take pride in.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23686540

But I cba arguing about it, it's not really relevant this game.

I forgot about you sheeping Damdred that game Day 1 probably because that game was years ago. God bless Damdred's case on Eden. Okay point nullified probably likely town for that effort.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 12 2017 15:56 GMT
#887
Now that you reminded about the stuff from that game I wish Half The Sky was playing in this game to determine HF's alignment a lot easier
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 12 2017 17:09 GMT
#914
On May 13 2017 01:36 Prison Break wrote:
I'm having trouble catching up but I'll give my reads based on my vote analysis of day 1. I don't know people here so I can't make meta reads, so I'm going to make reads based on votes and on my own reference points of what scum does, since I found them to be universal across all sites, and while meta-based reads can be more accurate and detailled, there are some things that scum always does so I'm going to trust my ability to solve this game the way I usually do it. Either way, I haven't caught up yet, but I do have a few strong reads so far:

Grackaroni (2) - Palmar, sicklucker
sicklucker (2) - Prison Break, fuba
Vivax (1) - raynpelikoneet
darthfoley (3) - Damdred, Tumblewood, Grackaroni
Damdred (4) - darthfoley, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Skynx
Skynx (1) - Vivax

Not voting (0) -

Damdred is the lynch!



According to my theory that "we prob catched 1-2 scum, and scum is now trying to spread the votes so it's not obvious who it is and they can control the lynch at any moment", combined with the fact that Damdred was the lynch and flipped town, I want to look at the people that were on the vote, that were also a possible target.

People on the vote: darthfoley, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Skynx

Alright let's look at the reasons why they voted

So darthfoley has 3 votes, and Damdred has 4 votes, so at this point it's likely both are town because if they were scum, scum could've pushed the others harder, which makes me think scum could be between the people with 1 or 2 votes.

Townread on darthfoley, based on this analysis

Both Holyflare and Skynx were late on the Damdred lynch, so both are suspicious. darthfoley was also on damdred, but if damdred was scum he could have switched to another target rather than having 2-3 scum pile on the same person. There's probably a townie with like 2 townvotes in there, so why not use 1-2 scum to pile onto it, which also gives additional momentum for others to join and to form a big wagon? This makes my townread on dartfoley stronger.

Holyflare very looks bad for coming in and dropping the vote, Skynx looks bad for dropping the final vote.

As for LightingStrike, I like LightingStrike. He looks town. He's been calling out Holyflare and pressuring him a long time. I can't see it being scum/scum. I can see it being LightningStrike town, Holyflare scum.

I also like how LightningStrike pushes Sicklurker as well, I think if sicklurker was town he had been the lynch day 1, like it seems scum is just trying to steer direction away from him everytime so he doesn't get lynched. Sicklurker also with the 180 on me, first he townreads me and says it's likely for people from other sites to scumread him (aka trying to get me to drop my case against him) - then he goes "he didn't re-evaluate, so he's scummy". I did re-evaluate, I just came to the same conclusion. The fact you townread me at first after I scumread you is already weird, but then your 180 on me is even weirder, only makes sense from a scum PoV

Posts from LightningStrike such as "why you guys trying to settle on to lynching low activity players? Why can't we lynch HF?" seem like actively trying to keep town into the good direction, where as scum you would want to keep town going after inactives (because, then you can just up your activity and join the hunt for inactives. it's an easy strategy for scum to bandwagon on town being bad and imploding, so trying to keep town in the right direction is major townpoints.)

Let's look at an earlier vote-count:

vote-count 3:

Holyflare (1) - LightningStrike
Grackaroni (2) - Palmar, sicklucker
sicklucker (2) - Prison Break, fuba
darthfoley (2) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax
Damdred (1) - Grackaroni
Skynx (1) - darthfoley

As to be seen here, if we assume there's 2 scum between (holyflare, sicklurker, skynx), then it makes sense that Damdred was the counterwagon to it. This vote-count does not prove anything, but like I said it's highly likely 1-2 scum were between these, and we know darthfoley-damdred aren't it, according to my reads.

I want to look more into Skynx before I give me opinion - does this site have an ISO fuction? Right now I'm going control f people's names but it's not the most effective way in the world, ugh.. Though Skynx pushed both sicklurker and holyflare so based on connections, it's likely that he's town or bussing, so I'm leaning Skynx on being town

I also want to look into Grackaroni as well, but sicklurker pushed him though, so prob not a team

We should kill Sicklurker and Holyflare 100%, will vote either of them

Sorry to tell you this but I didn't push sicklucker at all lol.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 12 2017 17:14 GMT
#918
On May 13 2017 02:12 Prison Break wrote:
I thought you said you didn't like his day 1 + made a few posts about how he could be scum, like early this day


All I said was I would try to get read him around Day 2 since he hard to read Day 1 since he doesn't play Day 1's.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 12 2017 22:23 GMT
#964
On May 13 2017 07:22 darthfoley wrote:
Hasn't the deadline passed by like 1h30?

Ya and I already did try to contact the hosts.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 13 2017 13:00 GMT
#1036
Just woke up:
On May 13 2017 11:58 Skynx wrote:
Who feels like having a drunk chat? I might give you our qt link...

Is this a slip?
On May 13 2017 20:45 Holyflare wrote:
Hey ls can you tell me why you lynched best friend damdred and then dropped every iota of scum read on me to dislike rayn?

On May 13 2017 00:01 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2017 23:24 darthfoley wrote:
On May 12 2017 23:20 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 12 2017 22:42 Vivax wrote:
On May 12 2017 21:55 LightningStrike wrote:
I just woke up:
On May 12 2017 14:50 Vivax wrote:
On May 12 2017 14:41 Grackaroni wrote:
You guys think he decided to put SL on the top of his town list and then forgot about it in the same post?


I don't think I've ever seen anyone confusing the two. Just from a psychological point of view it doesn't make sense, as bloated as it may sound. But two initials are really not vulnerable to typos. Unless they smoke some special herbs in turkey.

So yes I think the reason is simply that skynx put a bunch of bs reads out there.

I honestly seen people mix up me and SL before since we both use similar short names.
Also rayn's big post seems questionable? Also fuba's vote actually look weird especially considering he didn't really make much of a read on sl beforehand if I read his filter correctly.


Why is rayn's post questionable?

It was a large post defending himself for why he swap votes but I don't think his reasoning was good honestly.


Who do you think is scummy rn?

I want to say Palmar but it's because his Day 1 wasn't really the Day 1 I would expect from Palmar (Palmar is known to be very strong Day 1 player but falls off later in terms of his strength) and the fact he entertained about potentially sheeping me onto HF should be sort of a red flag for a person like him.
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2017 23:24 Holyflare wrote:
Lol. Ls is following what I say even. What has the world come to?

I agreed with your conclusion that's all.
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2017 23:54 Vivax wrote:
It looks a bit sketchy that LS would lynch Damdred like that with his newfound duties and all tbh I thought the two were something like BFFs

His reentrance wasn't pretty meh and thought he would be higher chance of being scum than df at EoD I will be honest on that. I think it was two town wagons EoD seeing how EoD played out honestly.

Also I didn't compltely dropped my scumread on you but I did agree with you on some stuff.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 13 2017 13:57 GMT
#1039
On May 13 2017 22:19 Holyflare wrote:
So you're keeping me as a scum read for later despite agreeing with me?

Also you are the one that started the damdred wagon. You could have picked any single person. Can you point to what posts of damdred you saw that were scummy?

Everyone was talking about him and I felt his reentrance was pretty meh because I was expecting him to put in a little bit more work before he disappeared :\ Agreeing with you doesn't mean that you not scum but I did like you a little bit more -,-
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 13 2017 14:24 GMT
#1043
On May 13 2017 23:19 fuba wrote:
Does LS always ask suggestive questions about innocent/joke posts, or is it just repeatedly in this game?

I always do O_o You can check the database for my past games and see the truth there.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 13 2017 20:09 GMT
#1106
On May 14 2017 05:01 Tumblewood wrote:
@rayn: admittedly i have been skimming your cases but why are vivax and palmar confirmed mafia

^
Also Palmar can you please post your reasoning why HF is scum? Admitly I got him as a scumlean atm.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 13 2017 20:10 GMT
#1107
On May 14 2017 05:07 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2017 05:04 sicklucker wrote:
On May 14 2017 00:11 fuba wrote:
On May 14 2017 00:07 Holyflare wrote:
The real lack of everything from everyone is great.

Thoughts on the sl claim for literally no reason?


it was a jooookeee I claimed doctor in my last 3 games =[

Should probably stop that.

Ya like he can break that so easily :o
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 14 2017 03:45 GMT
#1182
On May 14 2017 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because LS is mafia. He jas been calling you and me scum all game and cant make up his mind. It doesnt bode well with him being town. He prolly has infuence which is scum qt.

Ugh actually you described my town game more than my scum game :D
As scum I more confident on someone's alignment but as town I always question myself (ie I was questioning Palmar's alignment and flip floppy fashion around EoD and N1)
Here are my latest scum games for you to compare to this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503886-who-wants-to-be-a-millionaire-cell-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike (won the Cell lost the game because Sicklucker got lynched on the last cell)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517122-liquidmania-qualifier-1?user=LightningStrike (lynched Day 2)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/518091-resistance-vi?user=LightningStrike (replaced in the game into Tumblewood's slot end gamed).
Latest town games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/515094-a-mini-with-funny-gifs?user=LightningStrike (killed Night 2)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509406-h-o-l-y-f-e-mafia?user=LightningStrike (Survived Night 3
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?user=LightningStrike (Lynched Day 1)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/518289-im-a-cop-you-idiot-mafia-towns-revenge?user=LightningStrike (Survived Night 2)
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 14 2017 04:05 GMT
#1184
On May 14 2017 12:47 Tumblewood wrote:
here's ls's actual most recent scum game
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i kid. ls is town, probably

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Nice troll

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Or is it

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Yes I actually am town lol
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 14 2017 18:55 GMT
#1282
I honestly been thinking about who we should lynch today and I concluded that rayn could potentially be mafia for his EoD shit berating us for lynching Damdred over his own scumread yet doesn't vote his scumread EoD for really bad reasons. Plus his irrational anger reminds of Night of debauchery where Day 1 he was yelling at me for very terrible reasons while I tried to explain myself there. He might be trying to pull that shit again.
His fitler from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=raynpelikoneet
##Vote: Raynpelikoneet
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 14 2017 18:57 GMT
#1286
On May 15 2017 03:56 Holyflare wrote:
what page does he berate you? i'm not reading 38 pages

Pages 2-3
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 14 2017 18:58 GMT
#1287
On May 15 2017 03:56 Holyflare wrote:
but god damn was that game well hosted, it's sexy as fuck

Yep you hosted that game. Wish you put in more flavor in it next time
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 14 2017 19:07 GMT
#1294
On May 15 2017 04:02 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2017 03:55 LightningStrike wrote:
I honestly been thinking about who we should lynch today and I concluded that rayn could potentially be mafia for his EoD shit berating us for lynching Damdred over his own scumread yet doesn't vote his scumread EoD for really bad reasons. Plus his irrational anger reminds of Night of debauchery where Day 1 he was yelling at me for very terrible reasons while I tried to explain myself there. He might be trying to pull that shit again.
His fitler from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=raynpelikoneet
##Vote: Raynpelikoneet


this looks nothing like that game in the slightest, where's the rage?

Page 3 for the part at least towards me but i believe more came onto other people around page 4-6
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 14 2017 19:48 GMT
#1318
On May 15 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:
LS, who do you think are rayn's partners?

Idk honestly I just think he's mafia independent of anything.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 14 2017 19:50 GMT
#1321
On May 15 2017 04:50 Holyflare wrote:
so what do you think of palmar calling him confirmed town?

PRetty bad honestly just because how he ended up posting a lot of shit during the time the hosts were doesn't mean he's town >.<
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