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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 10 2017 20:32 GMT
#283
On May 11 2017 05:28 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2017 05:22 Skynx wrote:
On May 11 2017 05:19 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 11 2017 05:16 Skynx wrote:
On May 11 2017 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 11 2017 05:13 Skynx wrote:
On May 11 2017 04:22 fuba wrote:
Prison Break's stuff on sicklucker seems like the best "case" so far. Gonna vote him.

On May 11 2017 04:25 fuba wrote:
Aside from that I basically have a bunch of weak town reads that I'll keep to myself unless someone super-wants them.


This is quite bad. If he feels like elaborating on reads why not do it? You do not want to progress the game?
Super bad reasoning blaming rest of the eventualities bad to follow a simple reasoning to sheep a 2 post intro (no disrespect PB i like you ).

No it isn't, fuba is even more town after that.

Can you elaborate?

Mafia want to be seen making reads. I think they're a lot less likely to say that they have a few weak reads but that they aren't going to show them.

Then what do you make of this?
On May 10 2017 08:10 Damdred wrote:
Probably right, I missed you and your witty love HF.

I kinda think Rayn is town for a bad reason that has no real basis

No matter what LS says I've seen him do this before as mafia.

I don't think in any case posting reads is bad. If they are bad reads you get pressured and explain them. If they are good reads you form a town circle, simple.

All I said that was that alone wouldn't make him scum?

I see your point. Maybe its like a signature thing to do as a player but i remember from top of my head he did it in one of those ruined games last year as mafia.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 10 2017 20:35 GMT
#285
@grack n rayn

If what he didn't do doesn't make sense from a town perspective how can you defend him by saying what he is doing now doesn't make sense from mafia pow?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 10 2017 20:36 GMT
#286
I'm also doing a barbecue but im around, bear with me if i don't answer for a while.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 18:14 GMT
#529
On May 11 2017 19:26 Vivax wrote:
Is skynx a mafia god or just mafia? He's confident AF into townreads on good scum players without the big posts that usually accompany them when he's town.

My mafia record is 0%
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 18:40 GMT
#530
On May 11 2017 22:18 Vivax wrote:
Skynx has been more contributive than fuba in darthfoley but in my opinion in the wrong ways. I just don't see how he jumps to conclusions so quickly without a shade of doubt about events and reads. Like his rayn vs Grack thingy and his townread list. Feels to me like he's just getting on the good side of the most active players and doesn't try to fight his TMI in order to not ruffle any feathers. Most of his reads lack explanation and meta wise I have seen him raise good points when he was town, I also have been always able to correctly identify him as town but you will have to take my word for that.

Also, in a nutshell, he hasn't been hunting scum.

This is the best case I think I have and I'm voting accordingly.

I don't really like this since when i was around and posted my reads you were there to respond. My reads haven't changed and no one asked me to expand on them and now you say my reads are weak. Or you're just trying to push my because you've found a few supporters going own on me cuz i haven't been active.

I don't think i have to explain why Palmar is town.
rayn vs hf was mainly straight nonesense for i dunno how many pages while both believing or writing as they have definitely found scum. In a case of tvs to any side, t has no basis to push with confidence unless meta which they didn't let the thread know about while s is taking hell of a risk early on. svs is a stretch and even more of a risk when they could have just sit back after some early chit chat. They both should know whatever reason they are stating doesn't make the other mafia.
Most cases tunneling without basis is tvt in my book, at least for my part i get emotional and tunnel townies all the time but I'm working on that.
Prison Breaks intro was good and he made valid points.
I've already explained Grack. Him and palmar is almost identical to rayn vs hf. Just voting eachother for whatever reason.


Imo its been super easy for scum early on with all these people going after eachother and they can just sit back and relax as town will probably follow one of them and they can just hop in at one point with a shitty reasoning.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 18:52 GMT
#535
On May 11 2017 06:34 Damdred wrote:
I powered through the thread while I was up.

To start off questions

@PrisonBreak (I believe), my initial assessment of LS scum etc was a joke. My follow up post of Rayns towniness was not a joke, it came from sort of bad reasoning as he can fake it potentially as scum. But I really liked that his first post was trying to discern who you were so that (presumably) he could better read you and come to a better conclusion. I would generally see thi scome from more town than scum as scum would not want that information really to come to life. But as I said it is partially a bad reason at that point.

As to people who said Damdred can do this as scum, YES! I can, I have and I will do it as both alignments. I've always tried to shape my game where I can do whatever I want from solving the game (or trying to), giving up teammates etc as either alignment. Though I know I still have some ticks as mafia I have a hard time getting rid of. But kind of meh about DF (I believe it was) who only looked at me negatively because of it.

As for my reads here we are:

These are the people i'm ok reading town currently

LS
Rayn
Palmar
Prison Break
Skynx

Maybe town:
Grack
HF

I would normally want to make a call about tumble, and my initial reaction to some of his off the collar commentary I think would come from his town game rather than his scum game. But I am horrid at looking at him so i'm just kind of ignoring him currently.

I disliked DF so far, Vivax has been awkward in some of his postings so far but I am not sure that it makes him scum currently.

Fuba is someone also that I think might be worth a look into later, initial reaction was he might be town just as a gut feeling. His reasoning for following PB I felt was a bit lakluster and was something i've seen mafia do to shift the blame to the person they sheep instead of taking personal responbility for it. Also him refusing to post reads to push the game forward bothered me, or rather him thinking they wouldn't push the game forward. I still sort of see him as a big bag of blah null for now.

Currently I just kind of want to lynch DF for some below average postings for him and him picking on me :'(

Why is LS town?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 18:53 GMT
#538
On May 12 2017 03:46 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2017 05:19 Skynx wrote:
I also agree that darthfoley's intro is bad from first impression but I'm gona have to go back on that one.


this is the only thing in your entire filter that indicates you think anyone is scum, but you give yourself an out by saying your opinion could change with a second reading.

vivax is right in the sense that I don't see how you've scum hunted at all this game. you claim that mafia is sitting back and relaxing, yet you come in the thread at a very opportune time to defend yourself and not actively participate in anything else that is going on in the thread.

3 out of 5 of your town reads have a possibility of being lynched (Grack, HF, rayn) yet you do nothing to steer the conversation away from them and onto anyone else.

You have a good chance of being mafia

If you give me a chance maybe i can read something else than HF/palmar/rayn/grack and scumhunt?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 18:54 GMT
#539
On May 11 2017 23:39 darthfoley wrote:
If anyone has questions for me, fire away. I'm an open book titled "If ya mislynch me, ya dun goofed." So ask my friends!

According to your meta grack is mafia early on for backing down easily from a 1 on 1. He's voting the most town in the thread tho with the same way, is he town to you now?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 19:00 GMT
#542
On May 12 2017 03:54 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2017 03:54 Skynx wrote:
On May 11 2017 23:39 darthfoley wrote:
If anyone has questions for me, fire away. I'm an open book titled "If ya mislynch me, ya dun goofed." So ask my friends!

According to your meta grack is mafia early on for backing down easily from a 1 on 1. He's voting the most town in the thread tho with the same way, is he town to you now?


I'm not sure I follow, can you rephase?

Meta:

Grack backing down from 1v1 indicates scum behavior.
Grack backing down from shitfight with rayn means he's more likely scum.
Grack is voting Palmar for whatever reason because he got emotional, does this make him more town?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 19:05 GMT
#543
I dislike LS and TW less than i dislike sl and fuba.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 19:06 GMT
#544
Tbh i retract that, i kinda like LS.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 19:12 GMT
#548
You still around df?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 19:18 GMT
#557
On May 11 2017 22:18 Vivax wrote:
Skynx has been more contributive than fuba in darthfoley but in my opinion in the wrong ways. I just don't see how he jumps to conclusions so quickly without a shade of doubt about events and reads. Like his rayn vs Grack thingy and his townread list. Feels to me like he's just getting on the good side of the most active players and doesn't try to fight his TMI in order to not ruffle any feathers. Most of his reads lack explanation and meta wise I have seen him raise good points when he was town, I also have been always able to correctly identify him as town but you will have to take my word for that.

Also, in a nutshell, he hasn't been hunting scum.

This is the best case I think I have and I'm voting accordingly.

You can't really look for any deep stuff in any of the events before i originally came in the thread. It consisted of some spam between 3-4 people and rest of the thread dropping in every now and then and commenting on stuff. When i ask some other people to expand on their reads thread is super quick to jump into conclusion that they are town but my town reads were for simple reasons and now it makes me scum I don't get this.
I dunno what TMI means.

rest of this is 'just trust me on this one.'

Also tell me please one or two names actively scumhunting up until now so i can compare.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 19:22 GMT
#568
On May 12 2017 04:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Also TMI means To Much Information.

cheers bro
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 19:24 GMT
#570
On May 12 2017 04:21 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2017 04:12 Skynx wrote:
You still around df?


Eating lunch quickly

I was gona say, my problem with your intro is how your 1st post is very conclusive meta read while the guy you're reading is on borderline troll mode.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 19:25 GMT
#572
Anyway I'm gona focus on TW, Damdred and LS for a bit now.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 19:37 GMT
#579
On May 11 2017 20:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2017 20:30 Holyflare wrote:
LS, find me some mafia and tell me why it's Tumblewood.

I don't think Tumblewood is scum? Yes he acting a bit more bold but after my last game with him I can see why he would act bolder.

What do you mean by acting bold? He has been very responsive to most of the stuff but not much else, just phrasing thoughts really.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 19:44 GMT
#583
On May 12 2017 04:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2017 04:37 Skynx wrote:
On May 11 2017 20:35 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 11 2017 20:30 Holyflare wrote:
LS, find me some mafia and tell me why it's Tumblewood.

I don't think Tumblewood is scum? Yes he acting a bit more bold but after my last game with him I can see why he would act bolder.

What do you mean by acting bold? He has been very responsive to most of the stuff but not much else, just phrasing thoughts really.

See my answer to HE because he asked that same question.

I did see that, but again i felt quite the opposite. TW's been mainly reactionary and his list is pretty dull. He hasn't been going after anyone necessarily although he's picking up on possibly scum indicating stuff.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 19:56 GMT
#589
So this should have been the moment where Damdred kinda comes back and picks up the game after being called out. Instead we get this and few more posts that don't really do anything.

On May 11 2017 06:34 Damdred wrote:
I powered through the thread while I was up.

To start off questions

@PrisonBreak (I believe), my initial assessment of LS scum etc was a joke. My follow up post of Rayns towniness was not a joke, it came from sort of bad reasoning as he can fake it potentially as scum. But I really liked that his first post was trying to discern who you were so that (presumably) he could better read you and come to a better conclusion. I would generally see thi scome from more town than scum as scum would not want that information really to come to life. But as I said it is partially a bad reason at that point.

As to people who said Damdred can do this as scum, YES! I can, I have and I will do it as both alignments. I've always tried to shape my game where I can do whatever I want from solving the game (or trying to), giving up teammates etc as either alignment. Though I know I still have some ticks as mafia I have a hard time getting rid of. But kind of meh about DF (I believe it was) who only looked at me negatively because of it.

As for my reads here we are:

These are the people i'm ok reading town currently

LS
Rayn
Palmar
Prison Break
Skynx

Maybe town:
Grack
HF

I would normally want to make a call about tumble, and my initial reaction to some of his off the collar commentary I think would come from his town game rather than his scum game. But I am horrid at looking at him so i'm just kind of ignoring him currently.

I disliked DF so far, Vivax has been awkward in some of his postings so far but I am not sure that it makes him scum currently.

Fuba is someone also that I think might be worth a look into later, initial reaction was he might be town just as a gut feeling. His reasoning for following PB I felt was a bit lakluster and was something i've seen mafia do to shift the blame to the person they sheep instead of taking personal responbility for it. Also him refusing to post reads to push the game forward bothered me, or rather him thinking they wouldn't push the game forward. I still sort of see him as a big bag of blah null for now.

Currently I just kind of want to lynch DF for some below average postings for him and him picking on me :'(


If rayn is full town why grack and hf is different? What particular thing makes him stand out of the trio?
And rest is just similar style soft accusations or townleans. Just say they haven't done much to have a definitive read? I mean you telling us not liking DF doesn't help anyone because we don't know the basis. Same with fuba and vivax.

I feel like this post is like a massive effort to make ppl feel you have reads and you're scumhunting but it actually doesn't say anything.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2017 19:57 GMT
#591
give me something on TW and Damdy rayn
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
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