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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22425 Posts
May 21 2017 12:38 GMT
#2582
Btw palmar no matter your alignment it was as always a great pleasure and privilege to play a game with you. Muchos enjoyable.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22425 Posts
May 21 2017 17:44 GMT
#2594
On May 22 2017 02:11 Prison Break wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2017 20:44 Vivax wrote:
On May 21 2017 20:30 Vivax wrote:
In HFs world.

"Hey HF, let's lynch Palmar"
"nah I'm gonna go for these SL and LS guys instead"

If we assume Palmar is town, what was HF thinking?

(1) "I'm going to die before him and frame him with association on the off chance that they lynch him tomorrow herp"

(2) "I'm going to mislynch him, then I get killed by paranoid townies anyway derp"

Both scenarios result in his death. But scenario (1) is just straight out suicide which is what happened. HF killed himself this day. Indisputable fact.

And the only argument here for him to suicide here that you can bring from a perspective where Palmar is town, is that he wanted to frame Palmar by helping him. Palmar who voted for him without batting an eye when given the opportunity.

And the conclusion is:

Two ways out. Both with the same result for HF (one being mislynch Palmar while being alive, and one being mislynch Palmar after getting lynched) . And he chose the worst to achieve the same result he could have achieved by simply mislynching Palmar? That's where Palmar = town all falls apart.


This is what you call a checkmate by the way. Nobody can ever argue against this, it's cristalline, hard logic. While I understand the frustration for being scumread for this without a chance to defend yourself, it's the nail in the coffin and nothing else is required.


While this is indeed a strong argument that makes me want to consider Palmar again, there are 3 even stronger reasons why I won't, and they are:

- palmars green check which means even if he's mafia - there's only 33% chance he framed himself

- palmar has raised a good point where he said that HF is mafia, and based on palmars play himself it seems townie

- HF suiciding and wanting LS dead is something I interpret it as him trying to get people to townread LS and it's working. I also didnt like LS' posting that day

I don't think I'd ever vote palmar here


Why do you assume that mafia picks the frame randomly? Palmar is the roleblocker, had some soft suspicion on him D1, and is generally speaking the most experienced player in the game, with mafias strongest role. He gets checked N1. Do you think that he didn't see that coming?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22425 Posts
May 21 2017 17:54 GMT
#2596
On May 22 2017 02:44 LightningStrike wrote:
But honestly I highly doubt that TW would put his both of his scummates in his prefer lynches unless he want us to be confused.


He did under the conditional that only always one of them is mafia and the other isn't. If we lynched HF and we were still alive he'd have an excuse to townread Palmar.

On May 14 2017 08:55 Tumblewood wrote:
town
grack
rayn
pb
ls
sl

scum pool 1 - pick two, one of which is fuba
skynx
vivax
fuba

scum pool 2 - pick one
hf
palmar


Meanwhile his first scum pool is exclusively composed of townies which all must be mafia according to him.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22425 Posts
May 21 2017 18:39 GMT
#2601
Lynching Palmar isn't that hard guys, just one little sting and the game is over. He might shitpost a bit but otherwise I think the argument that HF picked himself to be lynched over him is already enough for anyone with a bit of common sense. I mean, it's obvious why he would do it. What else do you do when your buddy is greenchecked ? All the game, all the NKs have been pointing to that duo. Don't just write them off cause of a soft bus on D2.

Even if Palmar flips town, he will have more time than me to find a good lynch you can sheep. But right now it's about to become Day 5? And he has never been hit by mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22425 Posts
May 21 2017 18:51 GMT
#2602
Alone his reasoning for voting HF is : "If HF flips town I get lynched, so I don't want to push that lynch"

On May 19 2017 22:45 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 22:40 Vivax wrote:
You should have a clear idea of where we are standing and who has to be lynched next in order to win, and you should know that it's HF (from a PoV where you are town,but you are not, so you don't wanna) . Instead you keep playing the insecure, clueless Palmar who keeps saying LS and SL might not be town and that's just not who you are as town.

Town now just has to pull PB and SL together into the same boat and we win. Is SL confirmed town? No. But I guarantee that lynching Palmar, SL and HF wins the game 100 % of the time, where we lynch one of Palmar and HF today and the other two in no particular order.

For me it finally clicked in the head yesterday just before HF claimed doc, for you there is no click to be seen you just keep pretending to be dabbling in the dark.


It's not insecurity you dumbass, it's desire to get things right.

Explain to me what happens if my scumread on HF is wrong, we lynch him today and he flips town. Explain to me what happens after that.


Something about 300 words essays, then "you don't lynch me today then, deal? Here's my vote on HF". Easily doing something he said he didn't want to do. His defense for HF is that he doesn't want to lynch him in self defense.

Does this alone make him 100% mafia? No. Rayn had one scumread right exactly before he died while he wasn't willing to compromise on anything else. All you could have expected from rayn this game was a vote parked on Palmar until the bitter end.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22425 Posts
May 21 2017 19:03 GMT
#2603
And remember to send me a postcard from Palmars pocket once I flip PB.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22425 Posts
May 21 2017 20:04 GMT
#2605
On May 22 2017 04:55 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2017 04:03 Vivax wrote:
And remember to send me a postcard from Palmars pocket once I flip PB.

you're not even using that right


Sounds more logical to me that mafia has town in their pocket and not the other way around.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22425 Posts
May 27 2017 04:09 GMT
#3005
Excellent outcome, townies slaughtering each other over meta while first game scum slips away.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22425 Posts
May 29 2017 20:13 GMT
#3010
Thanks for hosting this btdt. You skipped a beat but overall the game was well hosted. You should be a pretty good player with the insight you got from spectacting by now, I felt like I should reread a game or two after this.
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