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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 24 2017 21:18 GMT
#2821
Wow Grack and PB you guys don't want to talk?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 24 2017 21:53 GMT
#2822
Alright so here's my thought process. I made it kind of clear that I'd lynch lightningstrike today yesterday. i Showed no hints that I could be persuaded in lynching anyone else, and my stubbornness this game hasn't gone unnoticed to scum, so here's my interpretation of the night:

If Lightning Strike is scum -> he would nightkill me, and try to convince sicklurker that Grack is scum.

If Grack was scum -> he'd leave me alive, most likely.

So this points towards Grack being more likely scum. But could be WIFOM as well. But if LightningStrike were scum, would he really nightkill sicklurker over me? I don't think that makes sense at all, which is mainly what's pointing me towards Grack right now.
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 24 2017 21:55 GMT
#2823
LightningStrike, who are you leaning towards being scum?

Grackaroni, what are your thoughts?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 24 2017 22:13 GMT
#2824
On May 25 2017 06:55 Prison Break wrote:
LightningStrike, who are you leaning towards being scum?

Grackaroni, what are your thoughts?

I honesty am stuck because I will need to reread both you and Grack's filter which I will do tonight. I pretty much need to reevaluate for this LYLO.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 24 2017 22:57 GMT
#2825
On May 24 2017 06:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2017 06:22 sicklucker wrote:
On May 24 2017 06:14 Grackaroni wrote:
It might actually be SL btw.


thats it boy keep your nk options open

If you're mafia can you NK me please?


This is a bit awkward. Trying to distance from the nightkill?

Why would you want to be nightkilled? Shows to be not invested in this game at all, couldn't care less. Also, where are you now? If I had to decide right now my vote would be on you.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 24 2017 23:14 GMT
#2826
At least the people left have the shortest filters lol.

I'll read through and make a conclusion by the end of the night.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 24 2017 23:29 GMT
#2827
On May 25 2017 06:53 Prison Break wrote:
Alright so here's my thought process. I made it kind of clear that I'd lynch lightningstrike today yesterday. i Showed no hints that I could be persuaded in lynching anyone else, and my stubbornness this game hasn't gone unnoticed to scum, so here's my interpretation of the night:

If Lightning Strike is scum -> he would nightkill me, and try to convince sicklurker that Grack is scum.

If Grack was scum -> he'd leave me alive, most likely.

So this points towards Grack being more likely scum. But could be WIFOM as well. But if LightningStrike were scum, would he really nightkill sicklurker over me? I don't think that makes sense at all, which is mainly what's pointing me towards Grack right now.

I think Sicklucker would probably have killed me. I'm not sure what thought process LS uses to make his kills though.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 25 2017 01:55 GMT
#2828
We really fucked things up by killing off Palmar.
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 25 2017 02:58 GMT
#2829
Well too late to change that
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 25 2017 04:14 GMT
#2830
I got home way to late will do filters tomorrow morning when I wake up.
On May 25 2017 08:29 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 06:53 Prison Break wrote:
Alright so here's my thought process. I made it kind of clear that I'd lynch lightningstrike today yesterday. i Showed no hints that I could be persuaded in lynching anyone else, and my stubbornness this game hasn't gone unnoticed to scum, so here's my interpretation of the night:

If Lightning Strike is scum -> he would nightkill me, and try to convince sicklurker that Grack is scum.

If Grack was scum -> he'd leave me alive, most likely.

So this points towards Grack being more likely scum. But could be WIFOM as well. But if LightningStrike were scum, would he really nightkill sicklurker over me? I don't think that makes sense at all, which is mainly what's pointing me towards Grack right now.

I think Sicklucker would probably have killed me. I'm not sure what thought process LS uses to make his kills though.

When I scum I usually kill people who are either good players or medic dodges early game but I never made it to LYLO as scum and I would of killed PB 10 out of 10 times there since I knew he wouldn't be lynch either sicklucker or you.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 25 2017 04:54 GMT
#2831
Yea I agree with lightningstrike which is why I think it has to be grack tbh

Like no way lightning would leave me alive after I stated intent to kill him (and sicklurker stated no intent at all)
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 25 2017 05:48 GMT
#2832
Sorry I'm super addicted to hearthstone.

I'm fairly convinced that it's Lightningstrike.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 25 2017 17:00 GMT
#2833
After reading both of your filters and some of the NK's filters I starting to be more likely Grack. Palmar who did flip town usually got good Day 1 reads and he thought Grack was scum Day 1 and when he got lynched. Only problem I had with PB was he willing to sheep a scum case on me but now think's it's me because of WIFOM but otherwise his filter looked townie.
Grack filter wasn't as townie per say as there was some weird stuff espcally with him and TW from Day 1ish where TW did say that Grack was 100% town because he seem to trolliy to be scum and Grack did defend TW when some people were questioning about TW's alignment prior to the cop check that came back red for TW. Also Palmar's point about Grack not being as moody per say is another indicator. Me and Grack in my last game with him butted heads and we argued pretty badly although I was a bit of a jerk but still I not seeing it as much here compared to that game.
Grack if you are town I sorry man but if PB is scum he played a pretty good scum game. PB if you are scum well played.
##Vote: Grackaroni
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 25 2017 17:04 GMT
#2834
End game music:
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 25 2017 18:53 GMT
#2835
It's kind of hard to write a case on LS because a lot of his accusations are filter links or things that other people have said. The only two things that stuck out to me are:

1) He had a strong scum read on HF day 1 that just sort of faded after day 1. At the end of day 1 when the lynch was still completely up in the air (we last second wagoned both DF/Damdred) he suggested Palmar might be scum for considering sheeping him on HF, which seems like a strange suspicion to me for someone strongly convinced that HF is scum.
On May 11 2017 19:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke and I caught up. I think I want to lynch HF the more times I read his posts and him being very nitpicky he actually playing closer to his scum game that he played in the liquidmania qualifier game that I played with him and got mislynched Day 1 after playing mostly horrible Day 1 too. As scum Hf loves to be nitpicky on people as town he not very nitpicky at all. Sorry HF that you had to roll scum again vs me.
His filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?user=Holyflare
My filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?user=LightningStrike
##Vote: Holyflare

On May 11 2017 20:26 Palmar wrote:
You better take this seriously HF, I would gladly blind-sheep LS if my lynch doesn't work out.

On May 11 2017 20:30 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2017 20:28 Holyflare wrote:
I mean the posts he quoted are me responding to rayn's query for me to elaborate, a call out for him rightly doing nothing, as you yourself have done, and me defending myself which I do in just about 100% of every game where someone calls me mafia.

Soooooooooo.

Just convince LS you're town and you'll be fine.

On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1?


2) The other thing is what HF pointed out earlier. At first he said that TW's interactions indicated that I was a potential teammate. After other people were reading it the other way he interpreted TW's filter differently to argue that he spewed both of us town.
On May 19 2017 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I think this was the closest he got to a town case on Grack but it wasn't exactly a great town case which is why I don't remember him doing one:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2017 04:05 Tumblewood wrote:
dont lynch grack pls

of course first i have to establish that there isn't really such a thing as anti-incrimination. townreads will always be a more wishy-washy sort of read than scum reads which means no one is allowed to yell at you when you call someoine town , i think. the smarter thing to do was probably to make a refutation to the scum case but oh well, i am no weenie

so here are some examples of grack doing things that are townie things to do. like calling people out:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 13 2017 05:42 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2017 18:11 Palmar wrote:
random voteswitching at the deadline didn't work?

I'm shocked I say, shocked.

Dude you didn't even show up.

You were like "Oh no we have only a 5% chance of success. Allow me to proceed to do absolutely nothing!"

boom rekt
On May 10 2017 17:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Honestly this is seeming pretty fishy to me.
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 10 2017 16:05 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 10 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 10 2017 15:38 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't mean it as an attack. I just found it interesting that you called all of the people town but us and we had kind of a similar response to it.

So what's interesting in that? What are your conclusions?

My conclusion is that Rayn is in a rage induced tunnel.

How about you play the game instead of this shit?
Did you just say you made a series of posts that indicate -- no, literally say, you found the first thing in the game that interests you yet you cannot make a single conclusion out of it?

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay that makes sense. I am really not trying to twist anything you say into anything else. I just saw you making a post, thought about what it indicates (correctly ) and it didn't make any sense to me. Since really, i know my own alignment and even if fuba is mafia there is no reason anyone of you three would most likely respond differently, therefore your conclusion didn't make much sense to me -- and looked more to be like what i said.

Obviously Tumblewood and you can question me for a read you don't understand or don't get. At first you just seemed to be doing it "wrong", you know what i mean? I don't think it makes you mafia, i just want you to be clear in what you say and not cryptic because i don't wanna guess what you say. I want people to lay out stuff clear so i can just focus on making conclusions on that said stuff.

rn I am most interested in on how Holyflare thinks anything of what i have said possibly makes me mafia.

Before you were attacking me for making no conclusion and now you are changing your mind because the whole time you thought there shouldn't have been any conclusion?

this post (and also the one where he responds to the damdred WoT) also indicate that he is closely reading and actually analyzing the game. which is ofc a Townie Thing To Do


and having fun. but not like shapelog trolling, actually being funny. also kinda had a real purpose behind it
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 10 2017 15:24 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly are the quality posts you three made?

They looked kinda like this:

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 06:15 Holyflare wrote:
Secund.


Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Who scum?


Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 07:52 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm glad that's settled <3
scum imitating trolling always end up being cryptic and useless, and not actually good like this. that was a much better explanation than the one outside the spoiler
On May 10 2017 18:48 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't know who started this noted thing but it's super obnoxious.

On May 10 2017 18:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 18:50 Palmar wrote:
I think I'm going to vote you and see how it feels. Maybe it'll feel good, I don't know. So many things yet unanswered.

Noted.

admit it u are literally laughing ur ass off
but the way this is done conveys his genuine irritation with the noted thing too


part of the difficulty in writing this is i don't get how on earth he is scum anyway. it is just so obvious from his filter that this guy is town. but if you have a couple points against him i can tell you they're shit and we can make a little more progress towards Not Lynching An Obvious Townie On Day 2

his points aren't really great so the fact he went to try to defend grack could mean grack is a potental partner for TW but there might be other people who could be TW's partner.

On May 20 2017 04:16 LightningStrike wrote:
I think HF or Palmar are scum based on TW's list honestly so I willing to lynch one or the other and the fact Grack was spewed makes so my 3rd scum is between sicklucker and prison break. sicklucker hasn't have the same euthiaism as normally does as town after lynching a scum and was afk for the most part of the auto lynch of TW like he normally does when one of his scum buddies is getting lynched. PB I did like his content early I just more afraid that he could of just been trying to blend but his way of trying to lynch sicklucker over HF and Palmar might seem townie?

Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 25 2017 18:56 GMT
#2836
The other thing that bothered me about his day 1 play was that he didn't really push anyone or make any enemies aside from HF, who largely left him alone. In contrast on day 1 I threw my vote around more than anyone like a crazy person.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 25 2017 18:56 GMT
#2837
I know HF would have no problem with teammates pushing him.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 25 2017 18:57 GMT
#2838
I'm going to take a look at PB's filter in a bit.
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 25 2017 18:59 GMT
#2839
If LightningStrike is scum then he's some next-level psycho for leaving me alive and gambling on me breaking my tunnel, I can't take those odds as I showed no hint that I would ever vote someone else yesterday, so I vote grack. If I'm wrong, well played.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 25 2017 19:02 GMT
#2840
Well then that's going to make for a pretty shitty LYLO.
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