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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21955 Posts
May 21 2017 18:39 GMT
#2601
Lynching Palmar isn't that hard guys, just one little sting and the game is over. He might shitpost a bit but otherwise I think the argument that HF picked himself to be lynched over him is already enough for anyone with a bit of common sense. I mean, it's obvious why he would do it. What else do you do when your buddy is greenchecked ? All the game, all the NKs have been pointing to that duo. Don't just write them off cause of a soft bus on D2.

Even if Palmar flips town, he will have more time than me to find a good lynch you can sheep. But right now it's about to become Day 5? And he has never been hit by mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21955 Posts
May 21 2017 18:51 GMT
#2602
Alone his reasoning for voting HF is : "If HF flips town I get lynched, so I don't want to push that lynch"

On May 19 2017 22:45 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 22:40 Vivax wrote:
You should have a clear idea of where we are standing and who has to be lynched next in order to win, and you should know that it's HF (from a PoV where you are town,but you are not, so you don't wanna) . Instead you keep playing the insecure, clueless Palmar who keeps saying LS and SL might not be town and that's just not who you are as town.

Town now just has to pull PB and SL together into the same boat and we win. Is SL confirmed town? No. But I guarantee that lynching Palmar, SL and HF wins the game 100 % of the time, where we lynch one of Palmar and HF today and the other two in no particular order.

For me it finally clicked in the head yesterday just before HF claimed doc, for you there is no click to be seen you just keep pretending to be dabbling in the dark.


It's not insecurity you dumbass, it's desire to get things right.

Explain to me what happens if my scumread on HF is wrong, we lynch him today and he flips town. Explain to me what happens after that.


Something about 300 words essays, then "you don't lynch me today then, deal? Here's my vote on HF". Easily doing something he said he didn't want to do. His defense for HF is that he doesn't want to lynch him in self defense.

Does this alone make him 100% mafia? No. Rayn had one scumread right exactly before he died while he wasn't willing to compromise on anything else. All you could have expected from rayn this game was a vote parked on Palmar until the bitter end.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21955 Posts
May 21 2017 19:03 GMT
#2603
And remember to send me a postcard from Palmars pocket once I flip PB.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
May 21 2017 19:55 GMT
#2604
On May 22 2017 04:03 Vivax wrote:
And remember to send me a postcard from Palmars pocket once I flip PB.

you're not even using that right
Computer says mafia
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21955 Posts
May 21 2017 20:04 GMT
#2605
On May 22 2017 04:55 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2017 04:03 Vivax wrote:
And remember to send me a postcard from Palmars pocket once I flip PB.

you're not even using that right


Sounds more logical to me that mafia has town in their pocket and not the other way around.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 21 2017 20:30 GMT
#2606
Stop posting!
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 21 2017 20:34 GMT
#2607
On May 22 2017 02:44 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2017 02:11 Prison Break wrote:
On May 21 2017 20:44 Vivax wrote:
On May 21 2017 20:30 Vivax wrote:
In HFs world.

"Hey HF, let's lynch Palmar"
"nah I'm gonna go for these SL and LS guys instead"

If we assume Palmar is town, what was HF thinking?

(1) "I'm going to die before him and frame him with association on the off chance that they lynch him tomorrow herp"

(2) "I'm going to mislynch him, then I get killed by paranoid townies anyway derp"

Both scenarios result in his death. But scenario (1) is just straight out suicide which is what happened. HF killed himself this day. Indisputable fact.

And the only argument here for him to suicide here that you can bring from a perspective where Palmar is town, is that he wanted to frame Palmar by helping him. Palmar who voted for him without batting an eye when given the opportunity.

And the conclusion is:

Two ways out. Both with the same result for HF (one being mislynch Palmar while being alive, and one being mislynch Palmar after getting lynched) . And he chose the worst to achieve the same result he could have achieved by simply mislynching Palmar? That's where Palmar = town all falls apart.


This is what you call a checkmate by the way. Nobody can ever argue against this, it's cristalline, hard logic. While I understand the frustration for being scumread for this without a chance to defend yourself, it's the nail in the coffin and nothing else is required.


While this is indeed a strong argument that makes me want to consider Palmar again, there are 3 even stronger reasons why I won't, and they are:

- palmars green check which means even if he's mafia - there's only 33% chance he framed himself

- palmar has raised a good point where he said that HF is mafia, and based on palmars play himself it seems townie

- HF suiciding and wanting LS dead is something I interpret it as him trying to get people to townread LS and it's working. I also didnt like LS' posting that day

I don't think I'd ever vote palmar here


Why do you assume that mafia picks the frame randomly? Palmar is the roleblocker, had some soft suspicion on him D1, and is generally speaking the most experienced player in the game, with mafias strongest role. He gets checked N1. Do you think that he didn't see that coming?


To be honest I didn't think about it that way. In general when someone gets green checked I auto-assume it's correct because often it is, and stuff like godfather, or in this case, framer, are often unlikely.

If you guys are certain they'd frame palmar over HF i'd have to reconsider...

But it still seems strange that HF would connect to palmar so obviously by outright wanting anyone dead except him? Not sure what to think about that tbh. Palmars posts today seem very townie to me
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-21 20:39:49
May 21 2017 20:34 GMT
#2608

Day 5


Vivax, the Doc, has been found dead.

Day 5 has begun and will end in (at Tuesday, May 23 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)).

Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 21 2017 20:39 GMT
#2609
Sorry about my post.

Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 21 2017 20:48 GMT
#2610
I'm sold that palmar would be framed because he's rb, but, this doesn't make him scum: it just means he's not greenchecked at most. Sicklurker of course it's not a redcheck, wtf, because he'd be greenchecked as town as well. At best it's a nullcheck. Like he wasn't checked at all.

But I think HF would be trying to kill his teammate there. Because defending makes palmar look bad if HF flips, he seems like a good player so he'd do the opposite. Like he would probably attack LS Because it's so unexpected and people would assume palmar scum instead of LS... which is exactly what he wants. And setting up a mislynch before or after your death is about as good - but this way, he'd also make LS look townier. So I'm inversing my immediate thoughts (defending = scummates), because HF seems like the type to do the opposite. Basically what palmar says: mafia is manipulating people, and intentionally pocketing townies etc.

I really doubt palmar would flip mafia to be honest.
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 21 2017 20:49 GMT
#2611
I think LS or grack is the correct lynch, leaning LS
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
May 21 2017 20:59 GMT
#2612
I agree those are the options. I'm leaning grack based on how aloof he has been for so long. He seems to care very little about the game
Computer says mafia
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 21 2017 21:03 GMT
#2613
grack is a better lynch then ls. but id go with palmar personally
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
May 21 2017 22:28 GMT
#2614
So yeah, gonna stick my vote on Grack for now.

I think SL and PB are off the table for me. SL because he doesn't have any endgame if he is mafia. He is completely and fiercely adamant that I must be mafia, ignoring the fact that if he was mafia he'd know I'm not. If he lynches me and I flip town, he's gonna be, as mafia, put into a terrible position. So I think his annoying stubbornness means he's town.

PB could, in theory, be cashing in on his one newbie win (all new people can win once as mafia because they get extra leeway. He does have a very short filter). But I think that for now I must throw that possibility away.

So it's Grack or LS. LS has shown marginally more interest in the game in the past few days so I'm going to vote Grack.
Computer says mafia
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 21 2017 23:23 GMT
#2615
sicklucker I got a question for you.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 22 2017 01:01 GMT
#2616
then why didnt you ask it...
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 22 2017 01:02 GMT
#2617
even if you die and are town im still confirmed town so no i wont be in a terrible position wtf
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 22 2017 01:48 GMT
#2618
On May 22 2017 10:01 sicklucker wrote:
then why didnt you ask it...

Was wating for you to be around to answer -.- Anyways what with the ninja vote EoD? Just curious.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 22 2017 02:24 GMT
#2619
your going to have to be more specific
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 22 2017 02:25 GMT
#2620
oh ya that. I didnt decide to kill you over hf but I didnt really care. mostly for info
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