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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
May 21 2017 12:36 GMT
#2581
I'll post a case for the case that you lynch Palmar and by some miracle he flips town. That's the best I can do. I can guarantee that Palmar will flip mafia but I'm going to play along and pretend he's going to flip town and then you have to lynch someone and I will suggest that someone.

As my legacy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
May 21 2017 12:38 GMT
#2582
Btw palmar no matter your alignment it was as always a great pleasure and privilege to play a game with you. Muchos enjoyable.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
May 21 2017 12:40 GMT
#2583
On May 21 2017 21:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll post a case for the case that you lynch Palmar and by some miracle he flips town. That's the best I can do. I can guarantee that Palmar will flip mafia but I'm going to play along and pretend he's going to flip town and then you have to lynch someone and I will suggest that someone.

As my legacy.


What a legacy that'll be.

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Maybe they'll make a trashcan with your name on it.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
May 21 2017 12:41 GMT
#2584
On May 21 2017 21:38 Vivax wrote:
Btw palmar no matter your alignment it was as always a great pleasure and privilege to play a game with you. Muchos enjoyable.

Thanks, as much as you frustrate me at points, you too.
Computer says mafia
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 21 2017 12:44 GMT
#2585
I think people kind of forgot I actually did tried to push scum Day 1 in HF but my case wasn't good.
On May 11 2017 19:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke and I caught up. I think I want to lynch HF the more times I read his posts and him being very nitpicky he actually playing closer to his scum game that he played in the liquidmania qualifier game that I played with him and got mislynched Day 1 after playing mostly horrible Day 1 too. As scum Hf loves to be nitpicky on people as town he not very nitpicky at all. Sorry HF that you had to roll scum again vs me.
His filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?user=Holyflare
My filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?user=LightningStrike
##Vote: Holyflare

Only reason my vote ended up on Damdred was I couldn't get anyone to join me to lynch HF and didn't like the DF wagon. Oh well maybe I should of tried to push harder on his lynch.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
May 21 2017 12:45 GMT
#2586
yeah, Grack's the last mafia LS, I was right all along.
Computer says mafia
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 21 2017 13:48 GMT
#2587
this game is fun
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 21 2017 13:48 GMT
#2588
so my votes are 3/4 on mafia this game? nice suck it ryan
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 21 2017 14:50 GMT
#2589
If I go down, I'm adding my name to the list of deceased calling for the death of Old Man Plumbo!
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 21 2017 17:11 GMT
#2590
On May 21 2017 20:44 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2017 20:30 Vivax wrote:
In HFs world.

"Hey HF, let's lynch Palmar"
"nah I'm gonna go for these SL and LS guys instead"

If we assume Palmar is town, what was HF thinking?

(1) "I'm going to die before him and frame him with association on the off chance that they lynch him tomorrow herp"

(2) "I'm going to mislynch him, then I get killed by paranoid townies anyway derp"

Both scenarios result in his death. But scenario (1) is just straight out suicide which is what happened. HF killed himself this day. Indisputable fact.

And the only argument here for him to suicide here that you can bring from a perspective where Palmar is town, is that he wanted to frame Palmar by helping him. Palmar who voted for him without batting an eye when given the opportunity.

And the conclusion is:

Two ways out. Both with the same result for HF (one being mislynch Palmar while being alive, and one being mislynch Palmar after getting lynched) . And he chose the worst to achieve the same result he could have achieved by simply mislynching Palmar? That's where Palmar = town all falls apart.


This is what you call a checkmate by the way. Nobody can ever argue against this, it's cristalline, hard logic. While I understand the frustration for being scumread for this without a chance to defend yourself, it's the nail in the coffin and nothing else is required.


While this is indeed a strong argument that makes me want to consider Palmar again, there are 3 even stronger reasons why I won't, and they are:

- palmars green check which means even if he's mafia - there's only 33% chance he framed himself

- palmar has raised a good point where he said that HF is mafia, and based on palmars play himself it seems townie

- HF suiciding and wanting LS dead is something I interpret it as him trying to get people to townread LS and it's working. I also didnt like LS' posting that day

I don't think I'd ever vote palmar here
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 21 2017 17:35 GMT
#2591
On May 22 2017 02:11 Prison Break wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2017 20:44 Vivax wrote:
On May 21 2017 20:30 Vivax wrote:
In HFs world.

"Hey HF, let's lynch Palmar"
"nah I'm gonna go for these SL and LS guys instead"

If we assume Palmar is town, what was HF thinking?

(1) "I'm going to die before him and frame him with association on the off chance that they lynch him tomorrow herp"

(2) "I'm going to mislynch him, then I get killed by paranoid townies anyway derp"

Both scenarios result in his death. But scenario (1) is just straight out suicide which is what happened. HF killed himself this day. Indisputable fact.

And the only argument here for him to suicide here that you can bring from a perspective where Palmar is town, is that he wanted to frame Palmar by helping him. Palmar who voted for him without batting an eye when given the opportunity.

And the conclusion is:

Two ways out. Both with the same result for HF (one being mislynch Palmar while being alive, and one being mislynch Palmar after getting lynched) . And he chose the worst to achieve the same result he could have achieved by simply mislynching Palmar? That's where Palmar = town all falls apart.


This is what you call a checkmate by the way. Nobody can ever argue against this, it's cristalline, hard logic. While I understand the frustration for being scumread for this without a chance to defend yourself, it's the nail in the coffin and nothing else is required.


While this is indeed a strong argument that makes me want to consider Palmar again, there are 3 even stronger reasons why I won't, and they are:

- palmars green check which means even if he's mafia - there's only 33% chance he framed himself

- palmar has raised a good point where he said that HF is mafia, and based on palmars play himself it seems townie

- HF suiciding and wanting LS dead is something I interpret it as him trying to get people to townread LS and it's working. I also didnt like LS' posting that day

I don't think I'd ever vote palmar here

What if I told you HF as scum does tend to pick the low picking fruit to push and try to lynch them over his teammates?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 21 2017 17:38 GMT
#2592
The important question is if HF, TW and palmar are scum together: who would they frame?

Apparently not TW because of the red check. You'd assume they frame the same person every night for consistency' sake. So between HF and Palmar which one is the better frame?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 21 2017 17:43 GMT
#2593
On May 22 2017 02:38 Prison Break wrote:
The important question is if HF, TW and palmar are scum together: who would they frame?

Apparently not TW because of the red check. You'd assume they frame the same person every night for consistency' sake. So between HF and Palmar which one is the better frame?

If both HF and Palmar are a team it would be Palmar because HF can argue his way out better than Palmar as we saw HF almost argued his way to mislynching me over lynching him.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
May 21 2017 17:44 GMT
#2594
On May 22 2017 02:11 Prison Break wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2017 20:44 Vivax wrote:
On May 21 2017 20:30 Vivax wrote:
In HFs world.

"Hey HF, let's lynch Palmar"
"nah I'm gonna go for these SL and LS guys instead"

If we assume Palmar is town, what was HF thinking?

(1) "I'm going to die before him and frame him with association on the off chance that they lynch him tomorrow herp"

(2) "I'm going to mislynch him, then I get killed by paranoid townies anyway derp"

Both scenarios result in his death. But scenario (1) is just straight out suicide which is what happened. HF killed himself this day. Indisputable fact.

And the only argument here for him to suicide here that you can bring from a perspective where Palmar is town, is that he wanted to frame Palmar by helping him. Palmar who voted for him without batting an eye when given the opportunity.

And the conclusion is:

Two ways out. Both with the same result for HF (one being mislynch Palmar while being alive, and one being mislynch Palmar after getting lynched) . And he chose the worst to achieve the same result he could have achieved by simply mislynching Palmar? That's where Palmar = town all falls apart.


This is what you call a checkmate by the way. Nobody can ever argue against this, it's cristalline, hard logic. While I understand the frustration for being scumread for this without a chance to defend yourself, it's the nail in the coffin and nothing else is required.


While this is indeed a strong argument that makes me want to consider Palmar again, there are 3 even stronger reasons why I won't, and they are:

- palmars green check which means even if he's mafia - there's only 33% chance he framed himself

- palmar has raised a good point where he said that HF is mafia, and based on palmars play himself it seems townie

- HF suiciding and wanting LS dead is something I interpret it as him trying to get people to townread LS and it's working. I also didnt like LS' posting that day

I don't think I'd ever vote palmar here


Why do you assume that mafia picks the frame randomly? Palmar is the roleblocker, had some soft suspicion on him D1, and is generally speaking the most experienced player in the game, with mafias strongest role. He gets checked N1. Do you think that he didn't see that coming?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 21 2017 17:44 GMT
#2595
But honestly I highly doubt that TW would put his both of his scummates in his prefer lynches unless he want us to be confused.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
May 21 2017 17:54 GMT
#2596
On May 22 2017 02:44 LightningStrike wrote:
But honestly I highly doubt that TW would put his both of his scummates in his prefer lynches unless he want us to be confused.


He did under the conditional that only always one of them is mafia and the other isn't. If we lynched HF and we were still alive he'd have an excuse to townread Palmar.

On May 14 2017 08:55 Tumblewood wrote:
town
grack
rayn
pb
ls
sl

scum pool 1 - pick two, one of which is fuba
skynx
vivax
fuba

scum pool 2 - pick one
hf
palmar


Meanwhile his first scum pool is exclusively composed of townies which all must be mafia according to him.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 21 2017 18:00 GMT
#2597
On May 22 2017 02:54 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2017 02:44 LightningStrike wrote:
But honestly I highly doubt that TW would put his both of his scummates in his prefer lynches unless he want us to be confused.


He did under the conditional that only always one of them is mafia and the other isn't. If we lynched HF and we were still alive he'd have an excuse to townread Palmar.

Show nested quote +
On May 14 2017 08:55 Tumblewood wrote:
town
grack
rayn
pb
ls
sl

scum pool 1 - pick two, one of which is fuba
skynx
vivax
fuba

scum pool 2 - pick one
hf
palmar


Meanwhile his first scum pool is exclusively composed of townies which all must be mafia according to him.

True it would be a dumb move though to put both of his scum partners there unless he wants to trick us.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 21 2017 18:33 GMT
#2598
palmar is a roleblocker and hf was a goon... of course they frame the roleblocker
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 21 2017 18:35 GMT
#2599
that sounds like something tumble weould do. also no ones ever gonna lynch palmar or hf day 1. so its like free town cred if they flip later
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 21 2017 18:37 GMT
#2600
everything keeps pointing to palmar. we know the last mafia is the roleblocker. if your mafia thats who you frame because its the most important role. its almost like a red check now lul
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