Liquidmania Qualifier #4

On April 05 2017 01:02 Rels wrote:
fucking dutches. No respect, they just turned our fucking flag sideways and call it their own
THAT MUSIC THOUGH. THESE PEOPLE ARE TRUE MUSICIANS

On April 06 2017 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am not sure if i believe this.

On April 06 2017 16:25 Koshi wrote:
Hey rayn, if you don't mind, I am going for a -20 posts D1, 2-3 posts N1, 5 posts D2 and 2 posts N2. Well, unless mafia shoots me like they did the last 5 nights I was alive.

I will read the first 36 hours of the game and give my opinion. With some luck it is different than the last time.

On April 06 2017 19:16 Calix wrote:


Did you miss the memo about how ALL PLAYERS can do things that 'don't make any fucking sense'?

Occam's Razor points to SL not reading the OP properly. This means nothing and going "it doesn't make sense -> mafia" is a simplistic blanket argument that doesn't show any critical thinking.

On April 06 2017 19:45 Calix wrote:


How is that post scummy?

On April 06 2017 19:51 Calix wrote:
So you're arguing that Koshi announcing his play-style this game is indicative of a lazy mafia?

Possible but it's not for that post, I don't think. He did the same thing in HR iirc.

On April 06 2017 19:53 Calix wrote:


Also I am curious. What is the point of saying this after SL said that he doesn't 'really prefer' a particular alignment? Just a weird way to enter the thread.

On April 06 2017 19:58 Calix wrote:
Your opening post stood out to me because I looked at it and I could not tell what you were trying to do/ say since it didn't say anything. A post for the sake of making a post is probably a better way to put it.



If you think that, where is your vote...?

On April 06 2017 20:06 Calix wrote:


No, I don't.

But that's not the point.

You clearly think it is.

Why does it matter what I think then?

On April 06 2017 20:04 Calix wrote:


>thinks Koshi is worth a push
>does nothing to make this happen

Strong.

On April 06 2017 20:18 Calix wrote:


Yes, and if you're uncertain on something then you generally question/ pressure that person so they clarify the issue. I am wondering why you wouldn't want to push Koshi when your posts were going in that direction and I'm still not sure what the hesitation is for.

I am not 'going after you' either, actually. I generally find you scummy so I am trying not to jump down your throat here, lol.

On April 06 2017 20:23 Koshi wrote:

I do it in every game I play. For years. I do it in scumgames because I do it in towngames.

On April 06 2017 20:18 Calix wrote:


Yes, and if you're uncertain on something then you generally question/ pressure that person so they clarify the issue. I am wondering why you wouldn't want to push Koshi when your posts were going in that direction and I'm still not sure what the hesitation is for.

I am not 'going after you' either, actually. I generally find you scummy so I am trying not to jump down your throat here, lol.

On April 06 2017 20:11 beentheredonethat wrote:

Do you think that this is worth a push, by the way?

On April 06 2017 20:30 Calix wrote:


Pretty simple. You just ask basic shit like "why did you decide to announce this playstyle after you got your role?" (as an example) and go from there.

Where did I say I was scum-reading you? I said "I generally find you scummy" which is not the same thing. And the entire conversation we're having is that you AREN'T going after something you find scummy O_o

You're not making much sense.

On April 06 2017 20:35 Calix wrote:


"I find you GENERALLY scummy" is what I said.

Found the problem. You're misinterpreting that as me specifically finding you scummy in this game when I was trying to say that I find your playstyle scummy.

I hope that clears things up.

On April 06 2017 20:36 Calix wrote:


Your questions are dumb since I already answered them in my earlier posts...including ones that you RESPONDED TO. Try reading my posts -.-

On April 06 2017 20:50 Koshi wrote:

Why wouldn't I be? I am a happy person.

On April 06 2017 20:41 Calix wrote:
This went dumb real quick.

Has that cleared everything up? I don't fancy a repeat of disfo/ Xatalos/ Damdred/ Calix where a misunderstanding gets dragged out to epic proportions, lol.

On April 06 2017 21:05 Calix wrote:


Since we established where the problem was, dumb

On April 06 2017 21:19 Koshi wrote:

But then I might get lynched! Because I am afk the last 12 hours.

On April 06 2017 21:23 Calix wrote:


I thought we already covered that I was talking about your play-style.

You said "I didn't want to vote on something push-worthy 3 hours into the game" and that you weren't sure how to question his initial posts so I did not see the point of questioning you further when that would distract you from scum-hunting Koshi.

On April 07 2017 00:03 Tumblewood wrote:

this is btw one of the worst entrance sequences I have ever seen
- btdt calls koshi scum for making a promise
- (even though koshi basically promised to be lazy and he does that every game)
- btdt says it's worth a push (1 step removed from a promise)
- btdt does not push koshi
but I will give him the benefit of the doubt on being scum for now

On April 07 2017 00:26 Shapelog wrote:

Go on?

And sucking up to ryan apparently?

So do you think im reading more into the misunderstanding/move on posts from her in my thought process on it?
You go do that meta thing. I'm fine looking at the game info lol.

I like Shape as well. I hope he wont get Nightkilled.

So your where calix is hence the mind meld comment?

This is actually my thoughts on him as well. The other thing I notice is that he is fine dropping a joke here and there as well, inferring that he isn't stressed at all rn.

I want to see where the point goes though and more what koshi does with it. Koshi, my ears are yours.

On April 07 2017 00:52 Koshi wrote:
Tumble is obvious town.
Tumble pls explain your mindmeld pls.

On April 07 2017 00:55 Koshi wrote:

His post on your entrance

On April 07 2017 01:09 Shapelog wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Versus:



If anything, Tumble's post is a TLDR of Calix's train of thought/posts/points that were spread out during that time. Which if he was mafia, could easily be faked if need be.

On April 07 2017 02:09 darthfoley wrote:


I find this sentence comical. Can anyone who isn't Calix explain wtf the difference is between these two sentences, because to me it just looks like useless hedging that sounds scum motivated. The splitting of semantic hairs is not something I really associate with town!calix.

I think btdt is more town from the argument because he seemed more logical/focused/level headed.

Koshi's intro reminds me a bit of his standoffish play style he used last game as scum, and I like btdt's questioning of him so far

My time is a bit limited but I'm catching up ASAP

On April 06 2017 20:33 beentheredonethat wrote:

Wait, so "It's worth a push" does mean "I will vote Koshi now" in your understanding, but you ask me to differentiate between "I find you scummy" and "I am scum-reading you"?

The conversation we have is about what it is because you chose to pressure me about why I am not voting Koshi instead of simply reviewing what I said and commenting on it. You're, again, constructing shit to push me.

On April 07 2017 02:16 darthfoley wrote:
Shapelog is question master without any reads/conclusions/thoughts of his own

On April 07 2017 02:20 darthfoley wrote:
Ooohhh if Calix meant generally as in she finds btdt scummy in many games then I feel like an idiot. I thought she was just talking about this game "generally"

On April 07 2017 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:

how bout you do something first and I do something about that something
(I think you are bad town who thinks contributions mean anything. thankfully you are transparent. I think.)

On April 06 2017 23:54 Tumblewood wrote:
I feel like a broken clock but I've got a nice mindmeld/townread on calix

On April 07 2017 03:12 Tumblewood wrote:
thinking shape is also town. but that read depends a lot on the progression of the thread

On April 07 2017 04:03 Tumblewood wrote:

duh when I called you bad town. you are so righteous

On April 07 2017 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi said it already
I cant say it any clearer.

On April 07 2017 14:30 Tumblewood wrote:

also my spidey senses are going off on this. *pending further unspecified action*

On April 07 2017 15:12 sicklucker wrote:
I even went into pretty boring and long details as why i would prefer either alignment after not playing for a few months. Then a guy I have little to no history with randomly says I prefer town while seemingly missing my posts and making up a random opinion that has little value

On April 07 2017 17:18 sicklucker wrote:
i like how you dont even list or agree with my town reads. what a politician drawing a line in the sand

On April 07 2017 15:54 Koshi wrote:
Yeah the extra smashing the keyboard out of frustration letters triggered me.

On April 07 2017 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am sorry what did you say?
I think btdt is mafia.

On April 07 2017 18:59 beentheredonethat wrote:
In the meantime, sicklucker and Koshi parked their votes onto me. Interestingly enough, sicklucker is apparently content with voting me while discussing with everyone else. That's amazingly bad but that's his choice.

Koshi, why are you voting me?

okay

On April 07 2017 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
but sicklucker is a busser so.... i still dont care.

On April 07 2017 19:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nah i am sorry you're just scum btdt.

- Forget a guy in your reads list
- Make a big case on the said dude just after

Mmmm... no.

On April 07 2017 19:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nah i am sorry you're just scum btdt.

- Forget a guy in your reads list
- Make a big case on the said dude just after

Mmmm... no.

On April 07 2017 19:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

How about you explain how you got into this situation since your mr 100% guy is 100% not voting for you?

On April 07 2017 19:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

wait so you developed the scumread on him there????
oh god...

On April 07 2017 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
how did you not have tumble on your list "because" you "re-arranged sl's list" which had tumble on it?

On April 07 2017 19:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let me try to explain.
You have a scumread on Tumblewood. You have to have had that from veeery beginning (because your case lays out things he did early on in the game - like his entering post). Now i have a hard time figuring out why someone who HAS to have the thought of "this post is scummy" doesnt (1) say that in the first place, or (2) forgets the person COMPLETELY in his first list. I don't care if you were on phone or what the fuck but your #1 scumread is always priority of discussion, always. You "considered" it #9 priority for some reason...

On April 07 2017 19:16 Koshi wrote:

You are defending the wrong reasons for my vote on you.

On April 07 2017 19:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Dude. I don't think anyone is bad town by default. At least i am trying to understand how you get into the conclusions you do. Just try to explain yourself if you're town.

First of all could you answer me in what i asked you about your read progression on Calix? It's around p3-4 in my filter.

On April 07 2017 19:18 Koshi wrote:
I am also interested in how you went from Calix meh (after your conversation) to Calix 100% scum (assdsa post) to Calix is perfect null.

On April 07 2017 18:41 beentheredonethat wrote:


No.

beentheredone
raynpelikoneet
Darthfoley
Rels
Calix
Dumbleweed
Koshi
shapelog
Sicklucker


That should be complete, or am I still forgetting someone

On April 07 2017 19:22 Koshi wrote:

Then why did she go from "I am going to call it a day and call Calix and Tumble the mafia team" to "Calix is perfect null". WITHOUT Calix posting.

On April 07 2017 19:25 Koshi wrote:

SHE IS CLOSER TO YOURSELF THAN YOUR BIGGEST SCUMREAD.

And it is fucking bullshit that you have 4 people with 1 red letter but 2 people full green. That doesn't add up. And you are a tunneler and a decent scumhunter. So your play is fucking weird atm.

On April 07 2017 19:29 Koshi wrote:

I am not fighting with sicklucker. I am having fun with him. It has nothing to do with this game. I think sicklucker is null and I have said that multiple times. Try to not say incorrect things please. That annoys me.

Again. Why can't you find mafia this game? And don't give me the "I have no time" "I am not invested as I should be" etc because that are the feelings you have as mafia. And not as town.
Why can't you find mafia? Or why are you not letting us help you find mafia? All these things.

On April 07 2017 19:30 Koshi wrote:

See. That is what I mean. I have 1 red letter. And you are as m33k towards me like a little puppy. And I have as scummy as the person you are voting for.

Nothing adds up with you this game. Nothing.

On April 07 2017 19:31 Koshi wrote:
I can blatantly lie and push that lie to scumread you and you defend against the lie...

On April 07 2017 19:34 sicklucker wrote:


getting sick townreads apparently

On April 07 2017 19:33 sicklucker wrote:
beentheredonethat can you explain any of your mafia reads im kind of surprised you have so many looking at your list. maybe start with myself

On April 07 2017 19:36 Koshi wrote:

How? How? How the fuck did she buss btdt if she 2 times within 4 posts denieing for "going after him" and "scumreading him" and then in the next 5 posts tries to end the conversation 4 times?

Are you for fucking real?

On April 07 2017 19:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am curious why btdt does respond to Koshi but not to me.

On April 07 2017 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why did you ever townread her?

On April 07 2017 19:38 sicklucker wrote:


or me

On April 07 2017 19:40 Koshi wrote:

If you think I am town now.

Start looking into Calix more. I need you to have a strong stance on her. Well documented. Well argumantated.

On April 07 2017 19:43 Koshi wrote:

Because we need to grill you first and then maybe accept your points. I am looking in your filter now.

On April 07 2017 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If this is your final answer then you're mafia.
Because you had a town read on Calix 100% at some point.

And this read progression doesn't have it.

On April 07 2017 19:53 beentheredonethat wrote:

Then I should add that I do think a Calix pushing people D1 is a town Calix. You're really fast with those 100% mafia things, Rayn. It might just be that someone made a mistake or is bad at explaining stuff.

On April 07 2017 19:53 sicklucker wrote:
hes literraly trying to bait me into a rage quit thats the only way his actions are explainable really

On April 07 2017 19:51 Koshi wrote:

Yup. I flagged that sentence as well. It was soooooooo fucking weird.

On April 07 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood. Why is this added in this post. Such a bad start bro. It shows you are refreshing the game but you can't join the conversation, and in the mean time you are typing up a big post and that is something mafia prefers to do. There is also nothing on rayn or sicklucker that helps the thread here

Like, what is Tumble even doing?

* starts the game with seven posts which are absolutely irrelevant banter NAI
* puts up three posts that have somewhat of game relevance (but then, no follow up, so that renders his questions pointless) I dislike your interpretation of those posts granted.
* enters thread again, claims a mind meld, drops a townread for that on calix NAI I'm observing
* his mind meld is scumreading me for exactly what Calix said, pretty much following thread sentiment Not true at all. Thread sentiment was against Calixthat's wrong
* BUT ends up calling me bad town So what? there's no commitment to his read. "Here are reasons to scumread him. But I think he's bad town."
* one more townread on ShapeNAI correct, but three townreads and no scum reads while following thread sentiment ARE aligment indicative.
* claims to have done "meta research" on Rels pregame, votes Rels Did he? lol. NAI though again, read the below part of my case, Koshi. You're just trying to discredit me here.
* more vague stuff ("spidey senses", some more blabla) spidey senses are town or he is lieing. NAIit's either NAI or town indicative or mafia indicative. You say it's "NAI, or town, or lieing". What the fuck

This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". But that does not align with the "I prepared for Rels pregame" thing. Why would you banter if you even took the time and prepared (assuming he's town, of course) for a game? You should be more afraid of being scumread, right? I don't understand "I have prepared for reading Rels. I invested time into the game. Then I start this game by making absolutely useless posts that might lead to people scumreading me. I bring a certain "I dont care" factor to the game ALTHOUGH the preparation clearly shows he CARES. What part of that do you not understand?

Next action, the famous "Calix is town and btdt is bad town" stuff. Claims to have a mind meld with Calix there but note the difference in the "bad town" timing that he and Calix have. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did. I disagreeCool. But I agree. Can you please not throw away a theory in two words?

His townread on Shape is unexplained. But that's not alignment indicative. Nevertheless, it's always easier to say "uh this guy's probably town" as scum then committing to a real push. Decent point

Now to the interesting stuff. The pregame research on Rels. I have a hard time believeing that. Why?
1. The game was posted rather spontanously.
2. The game filled up really, really fast.
3. Why would you research on someone's meta in such a short period of time when you cannot possibly know whether you're rolling town or scum?
4. Why claim that research? Obviously, to gain town creds. "Uh, damn, I did something and it's useless because the guy is not there. Let's vote him!" I agree with everything you say here. But why would mafia create such a stupid lie?... Just so random.Because mafia might very well feel the need to justify a vote that is completely against what everyone else is doing. "Hey, I dont want to commit to something, so I just vote the AFK guy. But I need an explanation for that". Claiming the preparation doesn't make sense when your next action is voting the guy you prepared for - but it DOES make sense if you feel like you want to gain town points for your vote somehow.

The vote on Rels in combination with three(!) townreads and a weird "I prepared" post really let's me think Tumble is mafia, trying to pile on a afk player (i.e. low hanging mislynch fruit for scum). When having only townreads, voting an afker is not the worst decisionThat's correct but you have to admit that Tumblewood is not exactly commiting on anything which again, is mafia indicative.

Summary: Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour. Or trash town behavior. Like... Why is it mafia behavior. He is not looking good at all.Double standards. He is considered trash town, I am considered scum although I'm currently explaining my heart out

On April 07 2017 20:00 Koshi wrote:

It is our right to do so. Also, how you interact with us shows me you see us all 3 as "equals". While sl and I were scumreads. Now you already flipped on me (which is nai) but why also sl?

Anyway you don't have to defend constantly.

Problem is Calix and Shape are not here. And Rels is afk again.

On April 07 2017 20:11 Koshi wrote:

That's the game bro. You were attacking me a lot when I was mafia in DotA 2.
atm we are attacking you because we consider you as mafia.

I also disliked getting attacked as town. Now I am more ok with. Something to do with being bad handling criticism and thinking that your play doesn't deserve criticism.

Anyway. We will see.

On April 07 2017 20:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay for your scumreads. Tumblewood. Try to convince people on your case, or get your vote on another of your scumreads? Why do you just wanna quit?

On April 07 2017 22:24 darthfoley wrote:


This part is scummy. You say something he does is NAI the. Proceed to use it as reasoning to scum read TW. Either it's AI or it isn't-- but it makes no sense to claim that it's NAI then use it for AI purposes. Feels like shit clinging to me.

Also spends half his post talking about this "meta research on Rels thing" like it's actually an important post. Words to say words

Btdt hath been downgraded

On April 08 2017 01:36 Shapelog wrote:
Scanning BTDT case:

I read it and went to BTDT's filter to check something out
+ Show Spoiler [wasnt vaild since I missed a post he m…] + but did find this actually:


I dont understand the town circle comment looking back since he had tumble and calix in or around the scummy range a few posts back.


Also

If he followed thread sentiment, which implies he read the thread, wouldn't he already know calix wasnt scum reading him on that level based off of what. So I dont understand this logic from it.

Carrying on.

On April 08 2017 02:01 Koshi wrote:
Dont be so negative btdt. This game has good players. We figure shit out.

On April 08 2017 02:11 Shapelog wrote:

I do actually have a question I want you to pitch in regarding tumble and thread sentiment.

How does this post feel to you regarding thread sentiment?


Tbh, when you say town circle, everyone you mention automatically goes green for your reads in my eyes.

On April 08 2017 02:18 darthfoley wrote:


I'm not misrepresenting you. You were specifically talking about his town read of Shapelog when you made the NAI comment. What am I missing?

On April 08 2017 02:22 Shapelog wrote:

No that is tumble's post

On April 08 2017 03:42 Shapelog wrote:

Me, you, Tumblewood (West), BTDT (?), and SL (Canada)

On April 08 2017 04:06 Tumblewood wrote:

but they're all him deliberating for seven paragraphs to ultimately reach a waffly conclusion and not say anything interesting

On April 08 2017 07:40 Hapahauli wrote:


Calix (4) - Koshi, darthfoley, raynpelikoneet, Rels
Tumblewood (2) - beentheredonethat, Shapelog
Rels (1) - Tumblewood
Shapelog (1) - sicklucker

Not Voting (1) - Calix

Whoever has the most votes at the end of the day (plurality) will be lynched.
Only votes in the voting thread will count.

The day will end in at 01:30 GMT (+00:00).

On April 07 2017 19:35 sicklucker wrote:
I mean its thin. they also dont look like mafia/mafia

On April 07 2017 19:36 sicklucker wrote:
tumble had alot of good posts tho. maybe some bad ones I filtered out but some good ones

On April 08 2017 09:36 Tumblewood wrote:
no reason for me to still be voting rels. shapelog vs calix is a tossup imo, given that calix can't be bothered to show up as soon as she's scumread. but I'll stick back on shape for now because I doubt town!shape clears himself later more likely than town!calix

On April 08 2017 18:36 beentheredonethat wrote:
I think Rels piling on Calix, making it 4v2, clears him. Rels voting Tumble, making it 3-3 with others voting outside of it, would've been scummy as fuck.

On April 08 2017 05:42 Shapelog wrote:
As long as one of Calix/Tumblewood is lynched today I will be happy.

On April 08 2017 02:45 Shapelog wrote:
But honestly tho, I dont know who else would be mafia with tumble. Looking at it roughly:

Rels is a odd ball that hasnt posted anything.
Calix maybe but that has to have certain factors involve with it. Also some weird team behavior.
SL i could see.
BTDT: Bus for life -> keep busing -> even more busing -> OMG what a bus -> reverse bus kill. Don't recall either fond of busing that much.
Rayn maybe.
Koshi's early posts with tumble being confirmed town would be very odd.
Darth maybe.

On April 09 2017 22:53 Shapelog wrote:


That i made.

---

Seriously tho,

Where are you actually with tumble and Rels? This post tells me nothing bc ironically ur wishy washing in it.
Why is the afk scum team weird when you dont know the factors of it?

On April 10 2017 03:37 darthfoley wrote:
@ Shape

Well yea the remaining scum in this situation has to keep options open and back doors available because of the D1 lynch and now the save in the night. This is one of the main reasons I don't like how btdt has approached the thread recently.

On April 10 2017 04:22 Shapelog wrote:

Because your providing yourself a way to get out of those reads.

Those reasoning on why you think they are town are also what you are saying giving them too much town credit. You admit this yourself in that post. Why do you want others to not look at your townreads as town, or now relook and give them less credit? It makes no sense if you really think they are town.

Even with doubts about them, I don't see someone making a post where they state that the reason they are townreading shouldn't be giving that much credit.

It's really alarming esp. to me bc Ik either you or Rels 90% of the time here is mafia. And here you are potentially setting up to ML them if your mafia.

And lets say you are fine with me being lynched and do have doubts saying im scum.What I dont follow is the reasoning to keep posting things to show off your not certain. I get openly discussing in the thread ad that kinda of stuff, but the way you do it doesn't achieve anything from a townie mindset other than maybe convincing yourself I am scum...Which you SHOULD BE AT come to think if you think the rest of the people are town, like you just stated in your reply.

For example you post this.

You have reasons to think im town, but your sticking with your townreads stance on me. I understand that. But saying your certain in your vote isn't true. You stated "it's okay i guess.", meaning not only do you doubt your read, but also your vote.

Furthermore in the night, you stated you dont feel certain on it and had more reasons to think im town

According to what you just said in your reply. There should be NO ONE ELSE to suspect as scum if you think that tumble is town, and rels is town, then me. Meaning, you should be on my ass with fire. Instead you "have doubts"

Those reasoning on why you think they are town are also what you are saying giving them too much town credit. You admit this yourself in that post. Why do you want others to not look at your townreads as town, or now relook and give them less credit? It makes no sense if you really think they are town.

It's really alarming esp. to me bc Ik either you or Rels 90% of the time here is mafia. And here you are potentially setting up to ML them if your mafia.

And lets say you are fine with me being lynched and do have doubts saying im scum.What I dont follow is the reasoning to keep posting things to show off your not certain. I get openly discussing in the thread ad that kinda of stuff, but the way you do it doesn't achieve anything from a townie mindset other than maybe convincing yourself I am scum...Which you SHOULD BE AT come to think if you think the rest of the people are town, like you just stated in your reply.

You have reasons to think im town, but your sticking with your townreads stance on me. I understand that. But saying your certain in your vote isn't true. You stated "it's okay i guess.", meaning not only do you doubt your read, but also your vote.

Furthermore in the night, you stated you dont feel certain on it and had more reasons to think im town

According to what you just said in your reply. There should be NO ONE ELSE to suspect as scum if you think that tumble is town, and rels is town, then me. Meaning, you should be on my ass with fire. Instead you "have doubts"

On April 10 2017 04:29 Shapelog wrote:

Wait you don't beleive koshi is town?

And yea i suppose he could be mafia, in which case I am going to laugh my ass off post game if that is the case and he prob. deserves it bc that plan is fucking brilliant.

On April 10 2017 05:39 Shapelog wrote:

Actually no, thinking about that rn. That is a really dumb plan. He has no idea if a PR is in the game or not. He would also be the last scum. That means, 66% of the time, he gets cced and insta-loses.

Unless he try and goat out a PR as a goon and saw no one bited and then held and claim. But that is just silly.

On April 10 2017 05:25 Shapelog wrote:

1) Yes but its the timing of it and the way your doing it that is worrying me. And your doing it with easy targets if your mafia. That is my biggest issue with it.

Mafia now has to plan out how the living hell to get 3 ML's and one Lylo (unless they are dumb and it gets blocked by SL again.) With who is alive rn, and who I currently suspect. I don't think any of the people with enough credibility (minus Darth maybe but see 3) ) to pull that off. So they cannot purely live based off that, so they must now start considering ways to make the rest of the sus. townies worse then them, while digging themselves out of "Shape is last mafia" read.

2) Your discrediting your own reasoning to see them as town tho. It be like saying "Ryan is town for what he did with calix etc." then saying "You shouldn't be putting that much stock into Ryan's interactions with calix." It doesn't make sense you posting to the thread the latter when your reads are first ""'s.

3) That came after the night result and SL claimed doc basically. You can check the post if you want to, but basically. I believe tumble is town based off calix. Koshi is town as well. SL I believe his claim, and prob. healed Ryan which confirms ryan. Even if he didn't, I still think ryan is town. I think darth is town, but not as much as everyone else just bc I lack enough to confirm him in my mind.

Therefore, I am left with Rels or you being scum after the night flip. So I Highly believe scum is either between you two, with the off chance of it being darth (or maybe tumble if he doesn't do anything my day 3).

4) But then you posted what you did discrediting it imo. Which doesn't progress or help what you posted in the night at all with your reads.

Touchee with the second paragraph

5) Bc i dont really believe your as ok with your vote as you made it out seem in your reply which strike me as odd.

6) Well i didn't know about you not fully rereading him. But still, I don't see you posting what you did if I am the only real sus person for you rn, even if you think you are wrong. If you have doubts, I would also suspect you if you thought that to start looking at other people again (which should of happen now in my mind since you were unsure earlier about me)

Maybe this is just a POV and preference on the matter. I don't think we are going to get anywhere with this point in the long run.

Tbh I think I have posted more content to shitpost ratio filled post this game then in like the last 3 games I have played.

You have no idea how hard it is not to troll rn and claim scum as town.

On April 10 2017 06:03 darthfoley wrote:
Even if he knew the setup and knew he could claim Doc, it doesn't make sense to do the "save" this early in the game because he has to die at some point

On April 08 2017 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:


Calix (4) - Koshi, darthfoley, raynpelikoneet, Rels
Tumblewood (2) - beentheredonethat, Shapelog
Shapelog (2) - sicklucker, Tumblewood

Not Voting (1) - Calix

Whoever has the most votes at the end of the day (plurality) will be lynched.
Only votes in the voting thread will count.

The day will end in at 01:30 GMT (+00:00).

On April 10 2017 06:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
Tumblewood should be town based on his early interaction with Calix. It's unlikely that scum acts like this on scum.
sicklucker claimed doctor.
beentheredonethat is VT.
Leaves Shapelog.
....

On April 10 2017 02:37 darthfoley wrote:


This read also makes no sense.

1) Rels piling on Calix, making it 4v2, clears him.
2) Rels voting on Tumble to make it 3-3 would've been scummy as fuck
3) So Rels is cleared because he didn't do the clearly "scummy as fuck" option
4) What would Rels gain by doing the clearly "scummy as fuck" option, if he were scum?
5) Even if you believe Rels would try to pull off the "too scummy to be scum" mind game, why would him voting Calix "clear him?"

On April 11 2017 19:16 Tumblewood wrote:

yeah everyone on the calix wagon moved up when she flipped scum. and btdt looks even worse after that shitty i-don't-want-to-vote-shape-but-##vote:shapelog post.

On April 11 2017 19:16 Tumblewood wrote:

yeah everyone on the calix wagon moved up when she flipped scum. and btdt looks even worse after that shitty i-don't-want-to-vote-shape-but-##vote:shapelog post.

On April 10 2017 06:59 Tumblewood wrote:
although his filter leaves little to work with, I doubt rels is scum because he has put himself in a poor position to get someone else lynched after shapelog. I would expect scum!rels to scumread me and/or (pre-flip) sl so he'd have somewhere to go for the necessary 3 mislynches, and he still has not made 'preparations' in that respect

On April 11 2017 20:51 Koshi wrote:
Eeuhm. I played super active and I was the catalysator of the Calix lynch. I identified she was mafia before you people had a clue, pushed her, and told you why she was mafia. Multiple times, over multiple pages.

The sucking up to rayn was legit.

I only didn't play at night & D2. And I was able to lurk there a bit because you guys were slow as fuck. But it doesn't matter, I was 100% ok with the Shape lynch.


It is not my job to make this game anymore. I already earned MVP for the Calix push D1. But due to having it already I will let you people fight for it. If you think I should be lynched... Sure thing. Townies literally cannot play better than I did in the first 42 hours I was in the game. So go lynch me and proof you are all worthless.

I gave you 1 mafia. Go find the second. If I am still in your PoE for some reason go find a head doctor.

So go lynch me and proof you are all worthless.

On April 11 2017 20:53 sicklucker wrote:


1.darth had some really townie posts
2..Koshi I think had some really townie posts mostly defending tumble
3. lul doctor save

vote rels plz

On April 11 2017 21:07 sicklucker wrote:







I dont know how obvious I could be. I really want post game troll points

On April 12 2017 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i am not saying it is impossible for Rels to be mafia. I am just way more certain that Tumble is mafia. The o ly thing i just want you all to realize is that btdt is not mafia.

On April 12 2017 17:36 Koshi wrote:
Doc canf't save twice in a row.

The only wifom there could be is why Rels or Tumble picked rayn over sicklucker last night.

On April 12 2017 18:02 sicklucker wrote:
so meet in the middle and lynch beenthere?

On April 13 2017 06:14 Koshi wrote:

raynpelikoneet.

But:
- Rels 1 liners read more "free" than Tumble his posts.
- Tumble "pushed" mafia agenda potentially, Rels never did that.
- Tumble his read change on btdt doesn't make sense and is never explained. He had bdtd as lock town when everybody had him as mafia, but when people thought btdt was becoming townie, only then Tumble had btdt as mafia.