EPTLiquidmania Qualifier #4 - Page 77
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darthfoley
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iamperfection
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sicklucker
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On April 23 2017 07:44 darthfoley wrote: sl were you probably gonna lynch me in f3 if i had killed koshi? who cares koshi was gonna self protect 100% i wish you did this... I was the first person to suspect you in the game when ryan and koshi were in awe of you so I was paranoid all game and certainly could have | ||
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Rels
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raynpelikoneet
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Town played really bad this game. So mafia played super fucking terrible and killed themselves then? Since MVP couldn't ever figure out single mafia.  | ||
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beentheredonethat
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgflip.com/1nsabp.jpg) this is how this thread feels like. totes disagree with sicklucker mvp, still. I don't see how a play that will get you nominated for worst town award 2017 can make you the mvp just because it works - once. Koshi is the clear mvp of this game. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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iamperfection
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On April 24 2017 17:15 Rels wrote: doc couldnt self protect p: yes he can i was the doc in this setup | ||
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sicklucker
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sicklucker
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sicklucker
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On April 24 2017 18:34 beentheredonethat wrote: this is how this thread feels like. totes disagree with sicklucker mvp, still. I don't see how a play that will get you nominated for worst town award 2017 can make you the mvp just because it works - once. Koshi is the clear mvp of this game. theres no way that would ever happen unless a newb like you was the doctor ;p | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
I was super close to quitting this game too and I still managed to contain myself and play average. The pm was sent after btn attacked me kind of personally unprovoked and out of no where tbh I have never quit on a game and I have played alot but this was the closest. and I love getting bashed by winning a meaningless title it fuels me. Yes I didnt find mafia but there was only 1 mafia in the game I didnt even play day 1 like always and he played really well. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 25 2017 08:39 iamperfection wrote: oh who do you think it should have been then Okay, i am curious iamperfection. Could you tell me the following: How could i have been MVP in this game? Nobody except for me understood what Koshi was saying regarding Calix on D1. I voted for Calix when there were two opposing wagons in a situation of 2-2-2 (and one of the votes on Calix was from her scumbuddy). Rels was still afk at that time and while he could understand Koshi's case, it is not 100% sure what Rels would have done. My vote on Calix not only put her as a leading wagon, but when both me and Koshi - the most experienced players in the game - vote for the same player with the same case it at least should ring some bells in people's head. The game - votewise - at that point was a mess. Rels soon after that figures what is the best case on D1 basically sealing the lynch. Now we go into D2. We have darthfoley who had bussed his teammate in a way that makes him 100% not a D2 lynch. And it was just not his vote on Calix, it was also his case on Shapelog who at the time looked most likely to be Calix' scumbuddy, not only for me but for every single player in the game!! There is no way anyone ever reading this game not knowing the alignments lynched darthfoley on D2, that is just impossible, because his D1 was super strong. Even if you have the town full of best mafia players on earth you don't lynch darthfoley on D2, ever. Because you can't make more convincing case on him than on anyone in the game except maybe for me and Koshi (and sicklucker after the fakeclaim). So basically, there is no way the town lynches mafia on D2. I died N2 and unfortunately didn't have much time. I had figured out btdt is town at that point. I never read the game after i died except for figuring out Rels is town too early D3. So tell me this iamp; What should i have done better to get MVP over a dude who basically did nothing except for was wrong besides his fakeclaim - which is something anyone (except for me since i was quite likely shot on N1) could have done if they were quick enough to post before sicklucker did? How could i have played better than i did? For me (or for anyone) to be MVP in this game - in your opinion - it would have required: - Lynch Calix D1 -> can easily be done. - Lynch darthfoley on D2 -> this one is 99,9% impossible I mean like.. In your opinion, for example i should have played a perfect game of mafia to get MVP over a guy who: - made a fakeclaim probably 30% of the people can easily make if they have a chance to do the same - voted for mafia 0 times whole game. Like literally, sicklucker had a chance to hammer darthfoley on D4, but instead he decided to hammer his townread Tumblewood. On April 17 2017 09:32 sicklucker wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Tumblewood On April 17 2017 09:53 iamperfection wrote: Day-4-Count: Tumblewood (3) - Koshi, sicklucker, darthfoley beentheredonethat (0) - darthfoley (2) - beentheredonethat, Tumblewood Not Voting (0) - Whoever has the most votes at the end of the day (plurality) will be lynched. Only votes in the voting thread will count. The day will end in at 01:30 GMT (+00:00). (btw the votes are in wrong order since sicklucker voted for TW after darthfoley did) And then he even said after the game "wow i suspected df before it was cool". Yeah, for one post, and then he went back to btdt being more likely mafia into hammering his townread TW instead of his apparent scumread df..... Maybe sicklucker just says and does different things in the game than he after the game thinks he did, who knows.... Had sicklucker (or anyone) figured out darthfoley is mafia on D3 and seriously trying to push him or something i could totally accept him being the MVP. But in the first place, sickluckers fakeclaim, while good play, is nothing spectacular, especially when he didn't figure out any scum - hell he didn't really do anything in the game besides being confirmed town for his claim. Making a cute play doesn't win the game, finding mafia wins the game. And well... Every player in the game barring Shapelog (and even this is questionable since D1 ended one hour early and i doubt Shapelog is lying about thinking of changing his vote onto Calix since he was town) "found" more mafia than sicklucker did (Tumblewood and btdt both voted for darthfoley D4 at EOD). I mean, if your criteria for being MVP is "make one good play that doesn't even net mafia and then you can just be wrong all game" and to win that other people should play a perfect game of mafia then i really don't know what to say man.. my 2c | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On April 25 2017 14:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have to say though that this was a really enjoyable game to play. Everyone was decent, no afk's (after Rels' almost D1 and Calix - but Calix was already somewhat doomed when she stopped posting). For the townies who got lynched - this was a game where it's not a "shame" to get lynched as town because noone was really scummy, people who were lynched were just "least townie". TBH I played horribly this game p: Koshi got Calix to react in a really scummy manner and that made D1 easy. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 25 2017 16:47 Rels wrote: I felt the same way when I was killed N1 in th second qualifier when I had the game solved, like Koshi in the first; but Koshi got doc saved, pushed the game forward and got MVP, while I got killed and got 10 points. I understand that it's hard to judge people that get killed early, but the system is flawed. This is totally different though because sicklucker (or anyone) didn't have the game solved in any way, ever -- until lylo. Thanks to darthfoley's good(?*) play. I put the ?* there because it can be doubted if the "better" (more likely to win overall) way to "deal with" D1 was to try save Calix and yolo (aka to bank on her coming back and save herself after D1) forwards. That remains unknown, the fact darthfoley played a really good game doesn't. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Harshly said; even if he stopped all the mafia night kills (which also require Koshi to play well here), who cares if he cannot lynch mafia? | ||
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Rels
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