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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 20 2017 16:36 GMT
#1501
No I already had one. It should have been df though. And then rayn 50 points. And sicklucker maybeeee 25.

I don't know why iamp loves sl so much.
I had a good night of sleep.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
April 20 2017 16:42 GMT
#1502
On April 21 2017 01:36 Koshi wrote:
No I already had one. It should have been df though. And then rayn 50 points. And sicklucker maybeeee 25.

I don't know why iamp loves sl so much.


MVP has to be on the winning team i think
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 20 2017 17:00 GMT
#1503
as if iamp cares.
I had a good night of sleep.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 20 2017 17:10 GMT
#1504
obv there not giving it to koshi he already has it. dont really need to be said
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 20 2017 18:56 GMT
#1505
Koshi is the clear MVP of this game. W/e happens to the points award, I don't care.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 20 2017 19:25 GMT
#1506
but my play did win the game. So I dont think its really debatable I was the backup winner over this lazy town. but I dont think you assholes have to make demeaning comments when it was obvious I was just the backup winner ;p. I already had enough points anyway
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 20 2017 19:27 GMT
#1507
Rayn played alright but he didnt do anything that no one else didnt do. was mostly just a respect kill
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
April 20 2017 20:03 GMT
#1508
MVP wont go to someone who was MVP already since it is for a qualifying spot. So koshi cant get it. Must be on the winning team. Sorry DF. SL play affected who was attempted to be shot and helped saves being made. So if Koshi and DF cannot get it, who other than SL should?
Try TL Mafia!!!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
April 20 2017 20:04 GMT
#1509
On April 21 2017 04:25 sicklucker wrote:
but my play did win the game. So I dont think its really debatable I was the backup winner over this lazy town. but I dont think you assholes have to make demeaning comments when it was obvious I was just the backup winner ;p. I already had enough points anyway



Haters going to hate. That being said. Onegu MVP best MVP.
Try TL Mafia!!!
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
April 20 2017 20:08 GMT
#1510
On April 21 2017 05:03 Onegu wrote:
MVP wont go to someone who was MVP already since it is for a qualifying spot. So koshi cant get it. Must be on the winning team. Sorry DF. SL play affected who was attempted to be shot and helped saves being made. So if Koshi and DF cannot get it, who other than SL should?


nah i agree. i didn't realize you couldn't be 2x mvp
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-21 00:33:56
April 21 2017 00:33 GMT
#1511
oops
top 6

1.Holyflare- 105
2.Fecalfeast - 50
3- DarthFoley- 50
4.raynpelikoneet-35
5. Rels- 30
6.Malongo- 25
7.LightningStrike- 20

top 4 qualify if someone isnt avaliable we will go down list. Make sure to sign up for the rumble in a couple weeks which is a non mafia game to determine the last spot. you can sign up if you already qualified
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
April 21 2017 05:26 GMT
#1512
i hope everything is okay with calix. she disappeared in our QT at the same time as the actual game
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 21 2017 06:38 GMT
#1513
On April 21 2017 14:26 darthfoley wrote:
i hope everything is okay with calix. she disappeared in our QT at the same time as the actual game


The UK is a dangerous place from what I heard. Especially the restaurants.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 21 2017 18:47 GMT
#1514
Odds and ends:

Overall:
Sicklucker, Rayn, Koshi, and Darthfoley all played top-notch in this game. Sicklucker deserves a special mention, because that might have been the first fake-blue-claim-as-VT I've ever seen work that well. Mafia wins this game easily if not for the two doctor saves. Props to Koshi for playing along.

Best posts of the game:

Koshi had some real gems:
On April 07 2017 06:20 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 06:10 Shapelog wrote:
On April 07 2017 05:59 Koshi wrote:
Oh goodie.

I'll explain the sucking up better. Btw I am on phone so that's why I am even moreincomprehensible as normal.

rayn is an vast entity as town. You prefer to not annoy him. But if he says dumb shit, you can get a 1up on him by engaging him in a conversation you cant lose as mafia. But I think that a town Calix, brave as she is, would get past his dumb shit, and solve the game, force rayn to get past his dumb shit if needed, or poke the bear and call him mafia. But she didnt. So that is why I said she was sucking up to him.

Ah that is why. See if you explained this about ryan earlier I might of been able to piece it together lol. I'm going to reread that section.

Question tho, have they played together tho? While I know normally is good to get a one up in general (and she would too), this does have a part with it being ryan we are talking about.

Yes. They are familiar.
Read ot and imagine if there is a banana on the table and calix and rayn ars standing before it and rayns says "Well I dont know what that is but maybe it is an apple"
And calix is like:
But it is yellow, why is it an apple?
But it is long, an apple is not long..
But it isnt something round, apples are normally round.


*slowclap*

On April 19 2017 20:34 Koshi wrote:
I could make a post about why I am voting df to explain myself and potentially calm the upcoming shitstorm. But I don't know if I want to do that.

Somewhere I felt throughout the game df was clean mafia. Said it a couple times. tw and btdt were ugly townies but I actually read them more town in my gut throughout the game. Xcept when rayn and I were drilling btdt, at that point I could see btdt be mafia.

The last days btdt was also pretty aggressive playing this game. It could be he is mafia and knew he had to keep up the hard work though. I can't really differentiate.

Anyway. I feel somewhat bad about the TW lynch. Rels and Shape I was fine with.


A fine analysis of lylo.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 21 2017 21:01 GMT
#1515
The game itself was pretty simple. Some of the better players picked up on Calix's awkward conversations in the early game. Her disappearance made her the path of least resistance to lynch, which is a death sentence in these plurality games.

Darthfoley was obviously much harder to catch because of his "cleaner" play and the town-cred he got from bussing Calix early and hard. One of the hardest things for town to navigate around is bussing plays, and this game made me think a lot about how to identify possible bussing situations and when you should be considering them.

Town could have benefited from considering Calix's slot more, and the circumstances around her lynch. The lack of resistance around actually lynching her (sudden disappearance and long-term Day 1 inactivity) made a bussing play a lot more likely than in a normal situation. With Calix not showing up to defend herself, it makes very little sense for a mafia buddy to try to look bad defending her. Or at the very least, it makes a bussing play much much more attractive. If your partner isn't fighting and is going to go down, why put any credibility and effort into defending said partner?

Analysis in hindsight of course, but certainly worth thinking about in future games.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
April 21 2017 21:27 GMT
#1516
On April 22 2017 06:01 Hapahauli wrote:
The game itself was pretty simple. Some of the better players picked up on Calix's awkward conversations in the early game. Her disappearance made her the path of least resistance to lynch, which is a death sentence in these plurality games.

Darthfoley was obviously much harder to catch because of his "cleaner" play and the town-cred he got from bussing Calix early and hard. One of the hardest things for town to navigate around is bussing plays, and this game made me think a lot about how to identify possible bussing situations and when you should be considering them.

Town could have benefited from considering Calix's slot more, and the circumstances around her lynch. The lack of resistance around actually lynching her (sudden disappearance and long-term Day 1 inactivity) made a bussing play a lot more likely than in a normal situation. With Calix not showing up to defend herself, it makes very little sense for a mafia buddy to try to look bad defending her. Or at the very least, it makes a bussing play much much more attractive. If your partner isn't fighting and is going to go down, why put any credibility and effort into defending said partner?

Analysis in hindsight of course, but certainly worth thinking about in future games.


Indeed. That's exactly the argument I used against Rels. I originally put my vote on Calix because she was being scummy and I could either 1) be on the bus early and get a lot of town cred, or 2) Calix would come back, play a bit more solid and I could jump off voting her and hammer someone else. When she didn't return, I realized I had put myself in a decent situation with a single early vote.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 21 2017 22:25 GMT
#1517
On April 22 2017 03:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Odds and ends:

Overall:
Sicklucker, Rayn, Koshi, and Darthfoley all played top-notch in this game. Sicklucker deserves a special mention, because that might have been the first fake-blue-claim-as-VT I've ever seen work that well. Mafia wins this game easily if not for the two doctor saves. Props to Koshi for playing along.

Best posts of the game:

Koshi had some real gems:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 06:20 Koshi wrote:
On April 07 2017 06:10 Shapelog wrote:
On April 07 2017 05:59 Koshi wrote:
Oh goodie.

I'll explain the sucking up better. Btw I am on phone so that's why I am even moreincomprehensible as normal.

rayn is an vast entity as town. You prefer to not annoy him. But if he says dumb shit, you can get a 1up on him by engaging him in a conversation you cant lose as mafia. But I think that a town Calix, brave as she is, would get past his dumb shit, and solve the game, force rayn to get past his dumb shit if needed, or poke the bear and call him mafia. But she didnt. So that is why I said she was sucking up to him.

Ah that is why. See if you explained this about ryan earlier I might of been able to piece it together lol. I'm going to reread that section.

Question tho, have they played together tho? While I know normally is good to get a one up in general (and she would too), this does have a part with it being ryan we are talking about.

Yes. They are familiar.
Read ot and imagine if there is a banana on the table and calix and rayn ars standing before it and rayns says "Well I dont know what that is but maybe it is an apple"
And calix is like:
But it is yellow, why is it an apple?
But it is long, an apple is not long..
But it isnt something round, apples are normally round.


*slowclap*

Show nested quote +
On April 19 2017 20:34 Koshi wrote:
I could make a post about why I am voting df to explain myself and potentially calm the upcoming shitstorm. But I don't know if I want to do that.

Somewhere I felt throughout the game df was clean mafia. Said it a couple times. tw and btdt were ugly townies but I actually read them more town in my gut throughout the game. Xcept when rayn and I were drilling btdt, at that point I could see btdt be mafia.

The last days btdt was also pretty aggressive playing this game. It could be he is mafia and knew he had to keep up the hard work though. I can't really differentiate.

Anyway. I feel somewhat bad about the TW lynch. Rels and Shape I was fine with.


A fine analysis of lylo.


SL also made an excellent fake blue claim in one of FF games and Eden didn't CC him, (I was mafia that game) though helped a lot that Palmar shot eden and I shot SL after figuring palmar woudl shoot eden XD
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 22 2017 09:12 GMT
#1518
role swap expert ama
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 22 2017 18:18 GMT
#1519
oh look we won
gg town. thanks for carrying me. at least 4 people played really well this game so kudos to them
at least i was right once this game
good times for all
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 22 2017 19:30 GMT
#1520
Well done Koshi. Should have looked more into df after Shapelog lynch but i ran out of time.

There was nothing spectacular in the fakeclaim. Sure it was good but nothing spectacular and had been done before number of time. Totally disagree with mvp. Even if the claim saved every nk if you dont manage to suspect a single mafia until lylo you are not the one who carried the town, ever.

Koshi mvp. DF played really well too.
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