[M][N] Generic Mini Mafia

On March 12 2017 16:55 Eden1892 wrote:
When the squad played their first online game together in years and you didn't get enough action



/IN

On March 17 2017 07:27 Koshi wrote:
Hi all. Tempted to do entirely nothing the first 96 hours. I am in a limbo.

On March 17 2017 07:56 Calix wrote:


Okay, I'm starting to think you're mafia from your reactions here.

Nothing to do with what you're saying, really, it's more that you sound very tense and defensive and like you have a massive stick up your arse for no real reason once people started engaging with you.

It's a different vibe from what I get from Damdred and Xatalos who seem more chill and willing to get shit done.

##vote disformation

On March 17 2017 08:09 Calix wrote:


I don't know whether to be happy or apprehensive that I'm actually getting town vibes from you this game, lol.

Yeah, I can see a world where a scum!Blue says that to try and appease someone engaging with him/ her. Not sure though, would appreciate it if they looked at the filters in the OP and used that to give a read on someone? If they're having a hard time keeping up, ofc.

On March 17 2017 09:39 Calix wrote:


lol DF, this is terrible.

Saying that my read is based off 'vibes' isn't a qualifier. It means that it's not based on any particular post or grounded in logic. It's also not something that I did a lot when I was mafia with you so that's just factually incorrect.

The fact that you're trying to sell that as me 'backtracking' is a stretch so big that you'll be placing first in the Olympic Gymnastics.

On March 17 2017 09:35 darthfoley wrote:


Useless qualifier that is attempting to scum read someone while also defending a walk back later by saying it was off "vibes." I always find the "player X person is 'defensive' = they're mafia!" such an easy read for mafia to make early game especially.

The read feels forced and similar to scum!Calix of last game I played with her.

On March 17 2017 09:55 Calix wrote:


+1 for Maze Runner reference.

On March 17 2017 09:19 Malongo wrote:

I hate that quote.
##vote darthfoley

On March 17 2017 10:09 Calix wrote:


Is Raynpelikoneet also scummy to you? If not, why?

On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote:

I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.

My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.

So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.

##ryanpelikoneet

Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.

On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote:

I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.

My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.

So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.

##ryanpelikoneet

Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.

On March 17 2017 11:29 Tumblewood wrote:

ik damdred likes town circles but come on this is too early to read vets
calix and deepblue are eh but who am i to criticize that. just xata/koshi/damdy/rayn are way too early to read

On March 17 2017 12:27 Malongo wrote:

Just a first impression. Mostly because your position about null reading ryan and because you are calling me out. Don´t expect me to post substance anyways. My goal today is not to lynch Damdred/disformation.

On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote:

I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.

My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.

So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.

##ryanpelikoneet

Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.

On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote:
ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win

On March 18 2017 00:14 Tumblewood wrote:

this is based off of the assumption that calix is town (duh, anyone so anal is probably town). also scum can totally ignore the accusation. it wasn't exactly threatening and the omgus defense is mostly a last resort.
seeing two people go at it without interacting with the rest of the thread is a tell I will always call

On March 18 2017 00:47 Xatalos wrote:
Well, foley needs more looking

On March 18 2017 00:53 Koshi wrote:

Make it 1 hour.

And inb4 he is the leading wagon 20 mins before deadline.

On March 18 2017 00:54 Tumblewood wrote:
you can poke holes in my TvT argument but I know I'm right, I've never missed a read like this. and if you are baffled by how else disfo could respond to an accusation, look at what I've done all game

On March 18 2017 01:17 disformation wrote:

huh? isnt that exactly what i posted earlier?

12. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did


like am I missing something or am I too braindead to understand the real question?

On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:

I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.

Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi.
Top scum is Calix.

Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.

I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:


I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.

That's about all I got that I think matters right now.

On March 18 2017 05:02 Eden1892 wrote:

Hell yeah. You're gonna vote Calix with me then right?

On March 18 2017 05:15 Eden1892 wrote:

Why wouldn't he be null? This is a weird concept, since people are null by default, but here goes.

He's null because he hasn't done anything relevant or important yet. He said something interesting about not liking the speed at which Damdred and disformation wagons grew. I like these kinds of observations, all else equal, but he didn't do anything with it and his vote on ray had no serious motivation behind it.

So the sum of his actions is... nothing. He made a potentially interesting observation and did nothing to make it actually interesting. He voted for some guy for no particular reason. It's a bunch of air. Null.

On March 18 2017 05:49 Calix wrote:
DF also a possible mafia candidate. Mainly his pg 2 filter since there are a lot of criticisms of players but I'm not sure what his scum-reads are exactly. And a lot of one-liners and random questions which blend in with the rest of the chat.

I actually thought I was a scum-read but DF's latest post just has me as a "possibility"

He's critical of Xatalos, TW, Malongo (his current vote), disformation (does say that he thinks disfo's D1s suck tbh). Also thinks there's some weird shit between Damdred/ Calix...although since he thinks I'm scummy, I don't understand why his first thought wasn't TvW or something.

tl;dr: Possible middle-of-the-road scummer here who throws out suspicious without following it up in any meaningful way.

On March 18 2017 06:09 Calix wrote:


Are you saying that I have not been scum-hunting or what?

This is also amusing since part of your scum-read is meta-based, yet you say this.

On March 18 2017 06:14 Calix wrote:


Can you expand on that TvS comment?

And yes, I am an overrated scum player. This is why I can't help but think that people who scum-read me are obtuse fuckers. But maybe I'm just not aware of what I look like to the average person, idk.

On March 18 2017 10:35 Malongo wrote:
I am open to Q/A in case anyone want to call me out by whatever reason you may want.

On March 18 2017 10:59 Malongo wrote:

Ok. This is going to be a long read but i´ll try my best. On a side note I am ok to get lynched if it turns out there is not a stronger target. One of the things that got me worried was lynching a town power role day 1 (wich I am not), so I guess it could be the lesser harm in some sense. I say this because I had the feeling from start that we were not in the all VT setup. Activity wise I´d say there are PWs in this game.

On March 18 2017 13:43 Tumblewood wrote:
filtered df. hopefully i can bang out a couple more of these before i go to sleep

boooooooooooo + Show Spoiler +


his play was forced but it was not mentioned and super duper null two hours earlier?
also the first of those two posts is "really null. [...a paragraph making no real claims...] again, really null." no me gusta

prob biased because i came at his filter more from the lens of "why is everyone saying he's scum" but hell i'd vote this

On March 19 2017 00:41 Damdred wrote:
Like I have only problems with df on this wagon.

1) Comes into the thread and blasts calix early and never really retracts from that. But is voting with 2/3 of his scum reads on his other scum read without really questioning the validity of the wagon I the people on the wagon.

2) Has very little talking points on mal in his filter that would indicate a scum read. I'm fact it seems likely basis for the read is actually rayns read. (Just as an aside I kinda said the same things about mal right after he posted but df kinda ignores this and scum reads me but puts rayn super high in his town list. I know he scum reads me for cordial interactions with calix which isbadreasoning but meh).

3) In his filter calix is his biggest read but just sheep's rayn instead of trying to push his read.

Like idk just kind of a weird filter and his vote on mal seems a bit... opportunistic at this point.

On March 19 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:


How I it scummy as fuck, when I have documented town reads on the people on wagon?

It's opportunistic because it follows directly after you agree with rayns point about mal, it much just v bad timing on your part sonit doesn't come across as a placeholder.

And saying you cases someone and that's most of why you votes them doesn't jive with the placeholder theory.

On March 19 2017 03:36 Damdred wrote:
@df listen you kind I avoided the question I asked. How is me saying I jab problems with things in your filter and showing what they are scummy? Should I not look at people whos on the same wagon as me filters, especially when ibjust say the no push back on the wagon is suspicious?

As for your points, I don't think"ninja" votes that occur roughly 24 hours before lynch are necessarily damning. And unless they happen right as deadline hits kinda won think they are scummy in general.

You voting first doesn't really sway me one way or another I I just something that happens. (As an said it is interesting you only start talking about to the wagonmates aren't the best when I be in it up).

I'll break this into two posts days I forgot what ela there was lol

On March 19 2017 03:56 Xatalos wrote:
Seriously. I remember someone had a half-decent case on Malongo, other than rayn. It didn't truly convince me, but it was better than nothing. rayn's cases on Damdred/Malongo leaned more towards "nothing" for me..

On March 18 2017 00:36 darthfoley wrote:
The only part of rayn's post that I like is the Malongo read. I feel like his play so far has been forced



The bolded I can actually understand from a town POV. The problem is that he hasn't done anything that amounts to scum hunting to really try to start another wagon. Yea sure, he voted on rayn but not for actual scum hunting reasons:



This reasoning is just so bad to me, plus the fact that he doesn't actually try to push the wagon at all, or ask rayn/anyone else questions. He's not actually interacting with anyone

On March 19 2017 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well then i don't have to say anything anymore today.

On March 19 2017 04:17 Calix wrote:


lol wtf, DF. I'm voting for the person I think is the best lynch today.

He is still the leading train by two votes.

What exactly am I meant to be 'doing' here that I am not already doing?

On March 19 2017 04:18 Xatalos wrote:


Yeah, that was it.. Well, it's not a bad result if we lynch Mal now. There's a chance of hitting scum and at least it's one worry off our minds. He even claimed VT so it shouldn't be a blue... But then again, would scum claim VT in this situation? And be pushed so easily to death? It all leaves me with the gut feeling that he's just a clueless green going to his death.

On March 19 2017 04:23 Calix wrote:


Maybe you should change your 'expectations' then because it's clearly not doing you any favours with reading me, rofl.

For a less flippant answer, I want Malongo flipped so that I can start re-evaluating with actual info instead of second-guessing myself.

On March 19 2017 04:26 Xatalos wrote:


Maybe he's scum and the scumteam just decided to bus him somewhat early on, I guess. That could be a possible way how this happened. Still...

On March 19 2017 04:29 Calix wrote:


If I thought it was scummy, I would have said so, you moron-a-thon.

Do you actually have anything substantial to 'pressure' me with or are you just going to read too much into the colour that I used to highlight something? -_-

On March 19 2017 06:05 Damdred wrote:
Then let's try to work us out df.

I think your town and I know I'm town so a need to come to some kind I understanding so we can work together the rest of the game.

Do you understand why I Pointe out what I did about your fikter?

On March 19 2017 06:22 Calix wrote:
For real though, why EXACTLY do you scum-read us again? Individually, that is, since I'm starting to forget.

Saying that we're being nice to each other =/= case. It's pretty clear I am behaving differently from any game I've played...on here.

On March 19 2017 06:24 Tumblewood wrote:
hi I'm back and I don't have time to catch up by deadline. it looks like everyone's on malongo by now and while I'd like to lynch someone worse I'm not crazy about him
someone who can explain any major new developments to me would be appreciated otherwise I will skim

On March 19 2017 06:33 Calix wrote:


That looks like you're fear-reading me a little bit. Well, maybe not that, but you have these expectations for my town play even though you've only seen me play as town once and it's premature.

+ Show Spoiler +

I've never understood why sticking around at deadline is considered townie. That just depends on availability. I can see why people fucking off might look bad but I don't think it counts for the reverse.

If the AFKing continues then we'll have a massive problem on our hands regardless...

On March 19 2017 06:43 Tumblewood wrote:
I kinda don't wanna lynch rayn either though because who wants to be *that guy* who mislynches rayn d1?
I will keep my vote on him but I'll have to force myself to

On March 19 2017 06:55 Damdred wrote:
Just gut feeling by tumble I having a really strange eod here.

Sorta pushing off mal while saying he will be ok with lynching him but having him high in his town list while saying he's a plynch now.

Then want I to make the vote me v rayn. Makes no sense.

Show weird eod

On March 19 2017 08:45 Tumblewood wrote:

I left for IRL reasons and came back when I did for IRL reasons. and when I was back I was not caught up before I posted so I didn't know nothing was happening

On March 19 2017 10:34 Eden1892 wrote:
Why did we lynch Malongo? I guess it's "safe" but he was perfect null.

I voted Damdred because:
1. Calix wasn't a reasonable wagon and tbh I was starting to second guess myself anyway
2. I didn't see any compelling reason to vote Malongo. It's safe but fuck that, town doesn't win making safe plays unless the Mafia sucks.
3. Damdred still hasn't done anything that made me think he couldn't be Mafia. That's hypocritical compared to Malongo, except that I know I can expect more from Damdred and I can't know to do so from Malongo.
4. My vote for Damdred put the wagons at 5-3 which gave the Mafia a chance to save Malongo if he were scum; gave town a second wagon to consider, and I thought if the EOD were more active we'd get more meaningful info from that with a real 2nd option.

WITH THAT SAID, I apologize for not actually returning. I sorely underestimated my wireless carrier's range, Mississippi's infrastructure and the entertainment level of this wedding. I solemnly swear not to make any of those mistakes again, especially expecting positive outcomes from Mississippi's infratstructure. A truly egregious error to be certain

On March 20 2017 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i am having fun with that, because people cannot be convinced with any sort of logic anymore in this game so i don't really see what else should i be happy about when playing mafia anymore.

On March 20 2017 03:33 ritoky wrote:
oh it was darthfoley. he responded super positive and agreeable to 2 posts i thought were hot garbage in tumble's and eden's posts.

On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix

people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels

people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble

On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix

people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels

people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble

On March 20 2017 04:02 Xatalos wrote:


I guess you make a fair point. Dunno how rayn ended up in "good posts" if he still doesn't hold any suspicions for me or Damdred (rayn hasn't made posts about anything else really..).

On March 20 2017 04:05 disformation wrote:

actually did you even read my post?

On March 20 2017 04:05 Calix wrote:
To answer your earlier question, DF, I think both of the Finnish people are town. Rayn looks like he's dropped his flashlight while stuck in a tunnel and Xatalos held his ground better than I'd figure he would as scum. Want to reread it later just to be sure though.

On March 20 2017 04:14 ritoky wrote:


? I mean we must play a different game. Just because someone orients the game as black vs white, doesn't mean the game is actually black vs white. You're implying that because someone is tunneling, the tunneler and the tunneled must be opposite alignments. More often than not they aren't. Further, being right is also not a requirement for being town, there exists this thing and it is called a donkey, please ask Koshi about it he is abundantly familiar.

Once you get away from the realm of right vs wrong and black vs white, and stop trying to render the game into a state of binary decision making, you arrive at a place where you can judge peoples' process. Process and intent are vastly more important than people's actual conclusions much of the time, and that is what matters. I see the town process in rayn when he rails on 1 point for hours and tries to drive discussion back to his point that he views as unimpeachably scummy, I see his process when he tries to scum check me to get a reaction. These are town processes for him, which make his posts good. You look at damdred and, he unprompted, makes a poignant observation and asks an extremely pointed question at tumble and then pushes when the answer is unsatisfactory. Once again I see the process, the desire for more information and to drive the game forward in the direction he thinks is right.

You have to remember that you've been playing this game for 36 hours and have 50 pages, I have been playing for like 10 and have 5 pages, so my opinions have not had the cultivating of others' opinions. However, my categories are fine. Because people making bad posts are a good place to begin looking for me. I used to be quite skilled at reading people who post bad shit, so I likely still am. Some of the terrible posters will likely become my top town reads who I will never vote on soon.

On March 20 2017 04:28 ritoky wrote:


Well if you wanna talk about the game at all once you're over me saying your posts are bad I am open. But no, I am not going back to read day 1, it is pointless. I do suggest you get out of viewing the game as side vs side or those who agree with me vs those who don't. Mafia very often hedge (particularly early) and staying in that state of mind loses you a lot of games to sneaksters.

On March 20 2017 05:52 Koshi wrote:

"I did it as town once so this time I am town as well"

On March 20 2017 05:49 Koshi wrote:

This is a fucking lie. I was only here the first 24h and I did way fucking more than that. Like.. You are taking my 24h filter and then pretend it is all I did for 96 hours.

mafia.

On March 20 2017 06:06 Koshi wrote:

So in those 24 hours I was a passive contributor? That is your opinion? Yes or No?

On March 20 2017 06:44 Koshi wrote:

These are my mafia's. I don't see tumble be mafia. I can see disformation be mafia.

On March 20 2017 07:20 Damdred wrote:
But you haven't scum hunted almost at all lately and you keep hinting that you think scum is in the top players and lynch bait your scared of. (Besides rels)

But none of them are in your posts and you don't seem to want to question then stm

On March 19 2017 07:58 Koshi wrote:
Meh. Looking into Onegu/Eden/Rels tomorrow.

On March 20 2017 01:12 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty happy with where I am. Maybe rayn is mafia. That will be fun.

On March 20 2017 05:16 Koshi wrote:
K finally home. Somebody catch me up / talk to me.

On March 20 2017 05:19 Koshi wrote:
Guess I'll just skim and ping really bad posts.

On March 20 2017 05:21 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos is extremely townie on page 43.

On March 20 2017 05:22 Koshi wrote:

Can somebody explain to me what this meant?

On March 20 2017 07:45 Koshi wrote:
The real problem I have with DF his fake ass accusation on me is that it is just so blatantly wrong and not committal. I told everybody I was going to have a busy 96 hours but had a 4 page filter in the first 24. In which I drove the game forward. Then I was afk for 48 hours and people started mumbling, and then DF comes in and says that... Like.. Why?

On March 20 2017 07:56 Koshi wrote:

I don't have to.

You said:

Now why did you say this?

And why do you defend yourself against me by using quotes of me from AFTER YOU MADE THIS FUCKING COMMENT?

On March 20 2017 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Proof your initial comment with proof from my first 24 hours. And don't use some silly quotes. Explain it in 10 lines.

On March 20 2017 07:49 Koshi wrote:
DF also has been the afk police this game. Also points towards scum not being able to live in the moment of the thread and just searches for things outside the current discussion to talk about

On March 20 2017 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay game got interesting. I am a jailkeeper so you scummers want to either CC or find someone else to lynch. Honestly i am baffled about how the game started since there should literally be no other reason ritoky died except for if Eden is scum (especially for Koshi and Xatalos). There is at least 1 mafia in those two since they should be never voting for me at this point.

So now they need to do something else and i am gonna watch veeeery closely. This is good because we have a cop, mafia needs to shoot me N2 and they get another check for sure.

I am not gonna say who i jailed because it doesn't matter, i am just gonna say that if you're town Xatalos you just helped mafia to kill because for your retarded actions i changed my save from ritoky. So thank you for that, please don't be town.

Now Koshi and Xatalos, try something else.

On March 20 2017 08:10 Calix wrote:
And why are you assuming a Cop is in the game?

On March 20 2017 08:13 Damdred wrote:
The claim is to keep us focused, rayn doesn't want us to spend x amount of hours lynching him when a can focus elsewhere and get scum?

That's easy df

On March 20 2017 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record if there is a counter-claim it's going to come in the first 24 hrs and if someone does that 5 minutes before the deadline like mafia usually does you never listen to any of that shit.

On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote:
Eden
darthfoley
disformation

On March 20 2017 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't think a mafia team with Onegu shoots ritoky regardless of Eden's alignment. Well, i might be wrong here, we'll see what Onegu does now when he can't call his scumreads scum anymore.

On March 20 2017 08:28 Koshi wrote:

Which situation is that?

On March 20 2017 08:33 Calix wrote:
Also it's quite amazing that even when I point out how useless disformation has been, nobody cares.

Looking for widely-town-read scummer? Check!

Looking for someone who is coasting and saying basically nothing? Check!

Looking for someone who is rarely discussed and who nobody seems to give a shit about? We have a winner!

On March 17 2017 23:26 disformation wrote:
i think in my brain its kinda like:
df > tw > mal > rels/1eg/eden > rayn
after that it gets a bit blurry as in various town leans / reads.

On March 18 2017 01:12 disformation wrote:
Hm. I think I still would prefer Mal over Damdred. Esp. now that I feel better about df. Putting my vote on mal.
Probably need to rethink my read list a bit overall.

On March 20 2017 08:36 Tumblewood wrote:
the thread is going at a million miles a second so let me just say I am not touching xata, rayn, calix or df for the rest of the game. CCs barred of course. and I will park my vote on rels until he plays the game

On March 20 2017 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why the fuck would ritoky die otherwise? That's the only thing he has said in the game. Unless you wanna argue Damdred is mafia because Damdred would shoot ritoky for sure.

On March 20 2017 08:47 Calix wrote:
Because Tweedledumb is smart and realises that we're all extremely townie?

He took the words out of my mouth with that town circle since that's basically what I've been operating with since N1

On March 20 2017 15:29 Xatalos wrote:
Then again, disfo's activity around EOD didn't seem scummy in general.

Meh.

The feeling of lynching disfo right now is a bit meh.

I'll keep my vote on him until a bit later anyway, at least.

On March 21 2017 04:38 Calix wrote:
Yo DF, Xatalos and DDD are tinfoiling you as scum iirc. You should check that out.

On March 21 2017 04:35 Koshi wrote:

I am also worried for the exact same reason.

On March 21 2017 03:40 Xatalos wrote:
Heh.

Do note though that I never really townread him. Or read him for that matter.... He was kind of under my radar all game.

Both Eden and DF made cases that I thought had some merit at the time (against Calix and Malongo). Those cases haven't aged that well though and there isn't much else they've done (or practically nothing else in Eden's case).

On March 21 2017 04:52 Xatalos wrote:


Maybe. There isn't anything super scummy about you. Just the general careful/hedging feel of many posts and POE.

On March 21 2017 12:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's assume you're right. Now why does ritoky (who isn't even nearly the most townread person in the game) die?

On March 21 2017 12:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because if Eden is mafia there is nothing mafia can do about this lynch. Xatalos is smart enough to not fight it too much (while he tried at the start of the day already regardless of what he says). And all things considered Eden looks like mafia.

On March 21 2017 08:22 AMG wrote:
Posting from work so Ill be in and out between phonecalls.

To everyone on the Eden wagon:
Unless you think the scum team is some combination of Myself, Tumble, Eden, Calix and Darthfoley.... then youre currently on a wagon with your scum reads. Have a good hard think about that.

On March 21 2017 14:09 Tumblewood wrote:
my objectivity is at an all time low + Show Spoiler + but I'm flipping disfo to scum. other pro is we get a nice interesting EoD

On March 21 2017 20:45 Koshi wrote:
He is way more obnoxious as town. Makes terrible posts. And pisses me off every game. This game he makes ok-ish posts, and never sticks out his neck.

Does anybody reads him town for a really good reason? Which is not "he looks harmless"

On March 21 2017 23:52 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos being blue makes no sense with how he read rayn. How he talked about an all VT set up etc... He would have focussed more on a counterclaim and not tried to get rayn lynched with "logic"

On March 22 2017 00:16 Koshi wrote:

Shows guilt


Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth.


So much bad in this sentence.
1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason.
2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong.
3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn.


When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you?

On March 18 2017 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh and i don't care about people being pro-active or not. I care about being right and lynching mafia.

On March 22 2017 00:32 Damdred wrote:


Yes, I do like this thought to.

I also like the thought that he put a lot of work coming with solutions that he takes no real stance on himself. All of that writing and he comes up with 0 conclusions on his own.

Its a bit bothering me on both points, and super interesting the easiest one is the lesst likely to him.

On March 22 2017 01:06 Xatalos wrote:


Well in the vanilla setup it would make perfect sense. The situation was pretty desperate with scum vs scum wagons (assuming they're both scum).

On March 22 2017 02:08 Damdred wrote:
Answer me this question DF

3. Scum is in a much better situation than the town thinks currently, and wants to provide the town with as little information as possible. Which is exactly what happened

You do say that this is exactly what happened. This implies that Eden is not scum as Ritoky gives us lots of information if Eden is scum.

So why do you think that Eden is scum now and voting for him?

On March 22 2017 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am not getting lynched today 100%. If he is mafia he is gonna draw out the other PR and "cannot be blamed about it because he was right in that if it's all vanilla setup rayn can be mafia".

On March 22 2017 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DarthFoley why are you focusing on some stupd fucking shit that has nothing to do with the current interactions in the game, EVERY TIME?

On March 22 2017 02:23 Xatalos wrote:


I think the current situation is good. No matter if I or Eden gets lynched in the end, scum have to play their hand to some extent. It would be safer to just bus Eden to eternity if he's the only wagon and scum. And I think if he was town, he would have been lynched comfortably like Malongo, so that's likely the situation (town vs scum).

On March 22 2017 02:32 Xatalos wrote:
DF, are you trying to pocket me or genuinely agreeing on everything

On March 22 2017 02:37 Calix wrote:
BTW DF, I used GREEN - AS IN, TO SYMBOLISE TOWN - to highlight the parts I liked. I hope you're proud

On March 22 2017 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
Eden/AMG/rayn? Eden/Onegu/rayn? Eden/Onegu/AMG?

Maybe.

At least I think there are 2+ scum in those groups.

On March 22 2017 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We lynch xatalos if he flips town i am mafia and i am okay to be lynchdd.

On March 22 2017 03:47 Tumblewood wrote:

if you were neither of those things you would be acting differently. probably wouldn't have been arguing with rayn for so long

On March 22 2017 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
cop does not get shot when there is a claimed jk who is also named rayn

On March 22 2017 06:38 Xatalos wrote:


Yeah, I'd at least roleblock him if I was scum AMG or something.

On March 22 2017 07:08 Calix wrote:


This is something that requires me to look back. Remind me to give a shit about that build-up on you tomorrow.

From votes, Tweedledumb just sitting on disformation when he could have plausibly voted for Xatalos is quite interesting.

Adam looks 'obviously terrible' if you get my drift since he defended Eden a lot. However, that doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia as the 'paranoid townie' theory holds.

Koshi's read progression on you may warrant further investigation.

Nobody else's votes stand out to me right now.

On March 22 2017 07:12 Tumblewood wrote:

makes it easier with the 3-scum incompatibilities.
for cred the team is damdred/disfo, but maybe it's xata or onegu. not really looking at anyone else at this point besides, as a stretch, df.

On March 22 2017 07:16 Xatalos wrote:


Eden was pretty worthless both as a thread presence and a role. Well, I guess getting one additional mislynch out of him and wasting D3 on him would have still been nice for them. I doubt both remaining scum went hard for me though... One might have. AMG?

On March 22 2017 07:16 Damdred wrote:


Just my gut reactiong but I don't think Adam would do that when Eden was kinda 100% today.

On March 22 2017 09:03 AMG wrote:
Yep. Subbed in and spent all day defending an AFK scum.

This ones going into my hall of fame.

On March 22 2017 10:02 Tumblewood wrote:

been a while since i reevaluated you / reaffirmed you were town

for as long as you believe in meta
(sometimes i do make cases but i hate it)
and i do not like how this post could be an argument but is instead a complaint

On March 22 2017 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah i don't do well figuring out all mafia in scumteams that play horribly.

On March 22 2017 22:18 darthfoley wrote:
So I have a good D2 filter yet still somehow kinda scummy Tom koshi? Fair I guess if you believe I believed I was in such a bad spot that I decided to bus my AFK teammate it's plausible.

A thought I had: if we are on the cop + JK setup, a smart godfather would have done his/her best to get the lynch off of Eden. Doesn't have to worry about a cop check so there may be even more motivation to go after anything else possible throughout the day. In fact, a godfather play trying to draw a cop check on him/her would be super nuts. For this reason I would guess the theoretical GF would vote off Eden's wagon and the RB would probably buss. We should look carefully into people's off wagon Eden play today regardless

If we're in the vigi setup, my Master deduction doesn't really make sense so

On March 22 2017 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am trying to think so hard why would anyone ever say this as town:

This is a response to "why does ritoky die if Eden is town".

On March 22 2017 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I really can't tell because whenever you talk about it you also talk about Eden being scum. So i have no clue where your head was at that time.

On March 23 2017 07:01 Xatalos wrote:


[spoiler]##Vote disformation

On March 23 2017 07:10 Xatalos wrote:


My theories are basically...

1) rayn was deemed too off-track and/or too influence-impaired to be a threat in the thread so Calix was a higher priority

OR

2) the plan would be to frame him as scum D3/D4 - high risk, high reward

OR

3) he's scum and playing a pretty ballsy / sacrificial role to help out the last scum, probably someone hidden in town ranks (this requires the vanilla setup)

On March 23 2017 20:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No Koshi, AMG is not mafia.

Can you check what DF said about ritoky's case and how he ended up voting Eden? Is it in line with the answer to my question yesterday?

On March 24 2017 07:29 Koshi wrote:

Give your checks pls.

On March 21 2017 13:52 darthfoley wrote:


I'm sorta confused why you treat this like it's a fool proof point. Almost certainly if Eden is scum his partners are bussing him considering he's given them nothing to work with... maybe if he had come back and fought the good fight against the lynch, you'd have a point.

Considering the fact that he's been MIA for like 36 hours and his activity came during low activity spurts, idk what you expect his theoretical partners to do? Other than defending Eden, can you expand on why you don't like Xatalos and anything additional on Damdred? Please elaborate on your fleshed out reads a bit more

Cuz I like the way you're playing so far and you aren't being lazy, but I need to hear what you think about others. Specifically Koshi, TW, Calix

On March 24 2017 09:25 AMG wrote:
Ok, so youre saying you checked Eden night 1?