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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 00:35 GMT
#1301
I am sorry if i don't understand the logic behind "i am scumreading you because you're not supposed to scumread Damdred" and when i ask you "for which posts whould i had townread him?" you point out posts that happened before when you were still hard-townreading me.

So excuse me if i don't get how i am mixing timelines.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 00:37 GMT
#1302
Anyways, hopefully i can get even 2 hrs of sleep before work so i'll try once again.
I hate flu.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 00:45 GMT
#1305
On March 20 2017 09:38 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I am out. You said it would be the last question but you follow it up with something completely wrong once again. Make a compilation. And don't ask me questions you don't even understand yourself. That just wastes both our times.

I don't even understand where you are going with this Damdred shit. I made it clear to you that I didn't believe in the Damdred lynch after 24h in this game. I never returned to believing Damdred was mafia. We flipped Malongo, he was VT. You still were going on about Damdred even though a lot happened and you refused to upgrade your read with new information. I found that odd. I thought you were mafia for it. But you probably aren't. What is the problem?

The problem is your filter suggests (from N1 and D2) you should have scumread me at the time of the post i quoted for you yet i am your top 3 townread at that time.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 12:54 GMT
#1407
On March 20 2017 21:31 Xatalos wrote:
Tumble or rayn are probably not good lynches today.

Why do you not scumread Tumble anymore?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 12:58 GMT
#1408
On March 20 2017 06:48 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 06:46 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 06:46 Onegu wrote:
hrmm ok... Guess I was wrong...

There was a better blue shot though. There was I think a very hard core blue claim.


I guess I know what you mean.


I know you know what I mean...

What is this. Onegu and Xatalos explain.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 13:03 GMT
#1412
I am actually quite certain disformation is mafia here. For a very simple reason:
On March 20 2017 02:31 disformation wrote:
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On March 19 2017 19:06 ritoky wrote:
On March 19 2017 10:34 Eden1892 wrote:
Why did we lynch Malongo? I guess it's "safe" but he was perfect null.

I voted Damdred because:
1. Calix wasn't a reasonable wagon and tbh I was starting to second guess myself anyway
2. I didn't see any compelling reason to vote Malongo. It's safe but fuck that, town doesn't win making safe plays unless the Mafia sucks.
3. Damdred still hasn't done anything that made me think he couldn't be Mafia. That's hypocritical compared to Malongo, except that I know I can expect more from Damdred and I can't know to do so from Malongo.
4. My vote for Damdred put the wagons at 5-3 which gave the Mafia a chance to save Malongo if he were scum; gave town a second wagon to consider, and I thought if the EOD were more active we'd get more meaningful info from that with a real 2nd option.

WITH THAT SAID, I apologize for not actually returning. I sorely underestimated my wireless carrier's range, Mississippi's infrastructure and the entertainment level of this wedding. I solemnly swear not to make any of those mistakes again, especially expecting positive outcomes from Mississippi's infratstructure. A truly egregious error to be certain


I don't plan to type a whole lot this game, but I feel this post is epicly bad on so many levels that I feel compelled.

Why this is awful:

1. Whining about the lynch when you did effectively nothing to prevent it or direct it elsewhere. Drawing attention to how he "clearly" wasn't in support and couldn't possibly understand why people would do such an awful thing like lynch a VT. /s

2. Defensive justification of his vote on an unflipped player when literal no one prompted it or seemingly cared very much.

3. Hypocrisy: His criticism of the Malongo lynch is that it was "null" and "safe". But his read on the person he voted for is "hasn't done anything that made me think he couldn't be mafia"; aka "null".

4. His reason for voting is? Well it certainly isn't town, because in the town I am from we teach all of our little babis to find the person you think is mafia and vote on them. Nowhere in this post does he even say he thinks Damdred is mafia. Clearly he was not particularly interested in pushing the player he found most scummy day 1, if he even found one. I am left at a point where I have to assume he either had no reads which is bad or he isn't coming from a townie mindset which is also bad.

5. His plan lacks a step. That step is conclusions. You see, this is a way I often get caught as mafia, is I leave dead ends where I pursue a plan or a line of questioning and I fail to draw any meaningful conclusions from it. His plan is: okay the vote is now 5-3, so if Malongo is mafia the opportunity exists for mafia to save him -> if people move I have a very narrow view of who is potentially mafia. Okay players didn't move, what do you conclude from this other than post-mortem Malongo = town? You have a plan so did you gain from it that it was MvT? TvT? You didn't come back in time to claim that "Mafia could save Malongo here and no one is moving, thus town". You have a plan but your plan leads to a dead end and makes no fucking sense.

6. Excuses. God I hate excuses.

That is enough typing for a significant amount of time in this game.

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Oh wow. I think without ritoky's explanation of Eden's plan, I wouldnt have even understood the plan.
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4. My vote for Damdred put the wagons at 5-3 which gave the Mafia a chance to save Malongo if he were scum;
put me at: "wat"
Don't think that is a very town way to think about stuff, especially since nothing happened with the plan.

Think I'll put Eden at the bottom of my list and ritoky somewhere in town land.

On March 20 2017 04:01 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 04:00 ritoky wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:58 disformation wrote:
as you see i am working on it -.-


halfway done and you have all null reads! useful.

strange.

eden is probably scum.
rels is null > scum lean.
oneg null.
darthfoley town lean.

On March 20 2017 04:03 disformation wrote:
koshi town lean.
rayn town lean.

if you want that ordered:

[town]
rayn / df
koshi
1eg
rels
eden
[scum]


Then comes D2. Ritoky dies:
On March 20 2017 06:43 disformation wrote:
wait wat? Oo
didnt see that one coming

Mhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm?????????
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 13:07 GMT
#1417
Wait was that for early phase change?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 13:08 GMT
#1420
Could you say the same in english?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 13:11 GMT
#1424
Sooooo weaakkkk.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 13:12 GMT
#1425
On March 20 2017 22:11 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2017 06:48 Onegu wrote:
On March 20 2017 06:46 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 06:46 Onegu wrote:
hrmm ok... Guess I was wrong...

There was a better blue shot though. There was I think a very hard core blue claim.


I guess I know what you mean.


I know you know what I mean...

What is this. Onegu and Xatalos explain.


Better not to if the scumteam didn't get it.

Better yes because you calling me mafia if fucking bullshit if you believe there is another blue "claim" somewhere there.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 13:14 GMT
#1428
Xatalos is so so so so very fucking mafia in this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 13:17 GMT
#1431
On March 20 2017 22:15 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2017 22:11 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2017 06:48 Onegu wrote:
On March 20 2017 06:46 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 06:46 Onegu wrote:
hrmm ok... Guess I was wrong...

There was a better blue shot though. There was I think a very hard core blue claim.


I guess I know what you mean.


I know you know what I mean...

What is this. Onegu and Xatalos explain.


Better not to if the scumteam didn't get it.

Better yes because you calling me mafia if fucking bullshit if you believe there is another blue "claim" somewhere there.


Explain?

Yo uthink there is another blue out there, i have not been counter-claimed, yet you fuckign spend all the time in the world telling people how "rayn is fakeclaiming and this is actually an all vanilla setup yo hey listen to me on this" without EVENCONSIDERING you could be wrong when i never ever fucking shoot even near ritoky if i am mafia with or without Eden.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 13:25 GMT
#1439
Like the thing townies do when someone claims is:
- They consider all possibilities and look at the night kill and see what makes sense.

What Xatalos does:
- "At least this kill makes the all vanilla setup less likely."
- "I think there is a blue out there" (with onegu)
- "wow rayn didn't say who he jailed" (why the fuck would i, it doesn't help the town at all)
- "As scum, he would know the setup. If there is no true JK, he can claim being roleblocked and push his agenda freely until LYLO." (DOES ANYONE SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS???)
- "Now this is an all vanilla setup and rayn claimed to idk what reason but it makes totes sense!!!"

Doesn't even try to figure out what it means if i am town. Never. Just "here is why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense, well here is a new scenario why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense... [contunue]" while thinking there is another power role out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

scummyscumscum
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 13:28 GMT
#1442
If there is a vigilante who shot ritoky they should always claim because then i have 100% blocked mafia KP.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 13:28 GMT
#1443
On March 20 2017 22:27 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the thing townies do when someone claims is:
- They consider all possibilities and look at the night kill and see what makes sense.

What Xatalos does:
- "At least this kill makes the all vanilla setup less likely."
- "I think there is a blue out there" (with onegu)
- "wow rayn didn't say who he jailed" (why the fuck would i, it doesn't help the town at all)
- "As scum, he would know the setup. If there is no true JK, he can claim being roleblocked and push his agenda freely until LYLO." (DOES ANYONE SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS???)
- "Now this is an all vanilla setup and rayn claimed to idk what reason but it makes totes sense!!!"

Doesn't even try to figure out what it means if i am town. Never. Just "here is why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense, well here is a new scenario why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense... [contunue]" while thinking there is another power role out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

scummyscumscum


I haven't said I think there is a power role out there. Statistically it's more likely, but not certain.

I thought it was statistically 5% that i am a power role so i guess the rest of 95% is all vanilla setup no?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 13:30 GMT
#1445
You're so fucking mafia it hurts.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 13:33 GMT
#1450
As for rayn, I'd still like the explanation for why those posts = mafia disformation.

It depends of if he is talking about the night kill or the pre-emptive daypost.
If it's the former he is always mafia because he thought ritoky's case was super good and Eden is scummy so there should be no "wow why did mafia shoot ritoky????", never.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 13:41 GMT
#1454
I don't see how it's anti-town to consider all options in the situation.

It's not, except you're not considering all possibilities, you're only considering possibilities where i am mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 13:43 GMT
#1456
Calix, i want your opinion on this :

Assume the following scenarios:
1) rayn = mafia, Eden = mafia
2) rayn = mafia, Eden = town

Why does rayn kill ritoky? Why does rayn claim JK?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 20 2017 13:45 GMT
#1457
On March 20 2017 22:43 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 22:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't see how it's anti-town to consider all options in the situation.

It's not, except you're not considering all possibilities, you're only considering possibilities where i am mafia.


Am I voting for you in your reality?

Or listing you as a lynch candidate for that matter?

What a fucking comment once again....

I will counter with this:
Am i considering Malongo mafia?

Do i consider Damdred as lynch target rn?

You can't be fucking serious?!?!?!?
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