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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 21 2017 14:52 GMT
#1761
Xatalos being blue makes no sense with how he read rayn. How he talked about an all VT set up etc... He would have focussed more on a counterclaim and not tried to get rayn lynched with "logic"
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 21 2017 14:52 GMT
#1762
No that is literally impossible.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 14:53 GMT
#1763
EBWOP:
Why would he "confirm" you (who he doesn't exactly townread) that he is blue?

*to you
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 14:53 GMT
#1764
On March 21 2017 23:52 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos being blue makes no sense with how he read rayn. How he talked about an all VT set up etc... He would have focussed more on a counterclaim and not tried to get rayn lynched with "logic"

yes.
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AMG
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia298 Posts
March 21 2017 14:53 GMT
#1765
Onegu, why have you shown zero interest in this game? If I recall, I was a coach in one of your earliest games.. and I thought you had some skills.... none of which are on display currently.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
March 21 2017 14:53 GMT
#1766
On March 21 2017 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP:
Show nested quote +
Why would he "confirm" you (who he doesn't exactly townread) that he is blue?

*to you



he is the cop and green checked me...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
March 21 2017 14:54 GMT
#1767
On March 21 2017 23:53 AMG wrote:
Onegu, why have you shown zero interest in this game? If I recall, I was a coach in one of your earliest games.. and I thought you had some skills.... none of which are on display currently.



Back to the Basics Mafia happened
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 14:54 GMT
#1768
On March 21 2017 23:53 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP:
Why would he "confirm" you (who he doesn't exactly townread) that he is blue?

*to you



he is the cop and green checked me...

lol whaat?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
March 21 2017 14:55 GMT
#1769
On March 21 2017 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 23:53 Onegu wrote:
On March 21 2017 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP:
Why would he "confirm" you (who he doesn't exactly townread) that he is blue?

*to you



he is the cop and green checked me...

lol whaat?



?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 14:56 GMT
#1770
wait let me read the whole thing again.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 14:57 GMT
#1771
no i am not reading the whole thing again. Koshi is right.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 14:58 GMT
#1772
The problem with focusing purely on logical arguments is that it's not an accurate approach. Town can often be illogical as well. Maybe even more so since scum are more careful not to "slip".

Let's assume you're town for a minute, rayn. Remember the Resistance game where you were town and I was scum? I was quite logical, constructive and widely townread (especially by you). You focused a lot on a couple of people like HTS who made bad arguments, even if they weren't overall really scummy (at least in my opinion).

So take Damdred for example. You've claimed that he hasn't been "smart" enough and that his question at the start didn't make sense. Even if both of those were true, neither make him scum (for the record, I agree that his question didn't make much sense, but it was just something of a discussion starter, and I think he's made several "smart" observations). Now a better reason might be something like that he's been a bit detached from both lynches. Even so, he's been posting a lot and clearly thinking about the game in terms of solving it. I'm willing to forgive some detachment for that. Especially since both Malongo and Eden have been pretty lurky and unexciting targets.

+ Show Spoiler +
I'm pushing my mental stamina not to mention a couple of new things I thought about rayn... it's not really relevant now anyway, and we'll know a lot more as time passed.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
March 21 2017 14:58 GMT
#1773
On March 21 2017 23:54 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 23:53 AMG wrote:
Onegu, why have you shown zero interest in this game? If I recall, I was a coach in one of your earliest games.. and I thought you had some skills.... none of which are on display currently.



Back to the Basics Mafia happened



IE Corazon
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 14:59 GMT
#1774
On March 21 2017 23:53 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP:
Why would he "confirm" you (who he doesn't exactly townread) that he is blue?

*to you



he is the cop and green checked me...


I didn't >.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 15:01 GMT
#1775
I guess Onegu misunderstood our exchange.

That misunderstanding in itself feels somehow genuine though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
AMG
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia298 Posts
March 21 2017 15:03 GMT
#1776
On March 21 2017 23:46 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 03:53 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:43 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:34 Xatalos wrote:
Meanwhile you call me scum for not fighting to save Malongo when you had pretty much the same attitude to him as I did... Although you had a bit stronger feelings of him being scum, you also had similarly stronger feelings of Damdred being scum than I had of you/Tumble. So in the end, you're just calling me scum for doing almost exactly the same thing as you.

If you can't understand the difference between:
- "I have 2 very sure scumreads and both of them are leading wagons"
- "I have 3 scumreads which cannot be scum together in the first place and i don't fight against the lynch of the one i actually don't really think i scum"

..then i don't know what to say.


I didn't have a confident scumread on any of you three. Malongo was a bit behind both of you, but it wasn't by much. And how couldn't he be scum with either of you?

Because if i am mafia i never make cases like that on my scumbuddies. I just don't have to because noone will never understand me anyways so i am just hopping on some retarded things i don't actually believe make people mafia but other people will. Like ritoky's case on Eden is a super good example of this. "wow looks so good super duper fucking 100% townread on him" when actually there is nothing behind the case except for a touch on the surface.

Tumble is never scum with me. Well Tumble is never scum, because if he was he would have been totally okay with lynching me (especailly if he was scum with Malongo).

But i will stop responding now. I don't care. You're mafia.
Try to lynch me, i guarantee you are lynched next because everyone can see how you're calling 2 townies mafia and doing nothing else. After either me or Tumble flip your D1 looks ridiculous. ^^


I agree that not all 3 of you could have been scum together, but Tumble/rayn makes some sense. His vote on you could have been distancing and his hesitation just preparation to switch to Malongo if needed.

In any case, I guess things will become clearer with night actions / following lynches.

And no, I'm never getting lynched. I haven't been mislynched as town in years (even as VT).


This post fwiw.

Also I believe the back in forth with him about he knows what I know and I know he knows was him confirming it to me...


Ermm day flip didn't occur for another 6 hours after your exchange with xalatos here. Tell me again how you think he green checked you BEFORE the end of night 1?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 15:03 GMT
#1777
How exactly did you come to that conclusion though? Even before we talked..?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
March 21 2017 15:04 GMT
#1778
On March 22 2017 00:03 AMG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 23:46 Onegu wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:53 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:43 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:34 Xatalos wrote:
Meanwhile you call me scum for not fighting to save Malongo when you had pretty much the same attitude to him as I did... Although you had a bit stronger feelings of him being scum, you also had similarly stronger feelings of Damdred being scum than I had of you/Tumble. So in the end, you're just calling me scum for doing almost exactly the same thing as you.

If you can't understand the difference between:
- "I have 2 very sure scumreads and both of them are leading wagons"
- "I have 3 scumreads which cannot be scum together in the first place and i don't fight against the lynch of the one i actually don't really think i scum"

..then i don't know what to say.


I didn't have a confident scumread on any of you three. Malongo was a bit behind both of you, but it wasn't by much. And how couldn't he be scum with either of you?

Because if i am mafia i never make cases like that on my scumbuddies. I just don't have to because noone will never understand me anyways so i am just hopping on some retarded things i don't actually believe make people mafia but other people will. Like ritoky's case on Eden is a super good example of this. "wow looks so good super duper fucking 100% townread on him" when actually there is nothing behind the case except for a touch on the surface.

Tumble is never scum with me. Well Tumble is never scum, because if he was he would have been totally okay with lynching me (especailly if he was scum with Malongo).

But i will stop responding now. I don't care. You're mafia.
Try to lynch me, i guarantee you are lynched next because everyone can see how you're calling 2 townies mafia and doing nothing else. After either me or Tumble flip your D1 looks ridiculous. ^^


I agree that not all 3 of you could have been scum together, but Tumble/rayn makes some sense. His vote on you could have been distancing and his hesitation just preparation to switch to Malongo if needed.

In any case, I guess things will become clearer with night actions / following lynches.

And no, I'm never getting lynched. I haven't been mislynched as town in years (even as VT).


This post fwiw.

Also I believe the back in forth with him about he knows what I know and I know he knows was him confirming it to me...


Ermm day flip didn't occur for another 6 hours after your exchange with xalatos here. Tell me again how you think he green checked you BEFORE the end of night 1?



That post was. The back and forth was after the ritoky kill
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 15:08 GMT
#1779
On March 21 2017 23:58 Xatalos wrote:
The problem with focusing purely on logical arguments is that it's not an accurate approach. Town can often be illogical as well. Maybe even more so since scum are more careful not to "slip".

Let's assume you're town for a minute, rayn. Remember the Resistance game where you were town and I was scum? I was quite logical, constructive and widely townread (especially by you). You focused a lot on a couple of people like HTS who made bad arguments, even if they weren't overall really scummy (at least in my opinion).

So take Damdred for example. You've claimed that he hasn't been "smart" enough and that his question at the start didn't make sense. Even if both of those were true, neither make him scum (for the record, I agree that his question didn't make much sense, but it was just something of a discussion starter, and I think he's made several "smart" observations). Now a better reason might be something like that he's been a bit detached from both lynches. Even so, he's been posting a lot and clearly thinking about the game in terms of solving it. I'm willing to forgive some detachment for that. Especially since both Malongo and Eden have been pretty lurky and unexciting targets.

+ Show Spoiler +
I'm pushing my mental stamina not to mention a couple of new things I thought about rayn... it's not really relevant now anyway, and we'll know a lot more as time passed.

Your problem here is mistaking what mafia knows and what mafia doesn't know. If you know Damdred is town in this game then you also know he isn't being "unsmart" or anything i claim, jsut as you knew HTS was not "really scummy". In this game however you have presented multiple arguments for me being mafia that have absolutely nothing to do with me being mafia, in fact they make me most likely town considering my earlier games. Then you, even after conceding i can be town, follow up with trashing on everything i say without even trying to interact with me. Yeah, you haven't done that earlier as mafia. But it doesn't make any sense and i don't see any fucking reason why you would do that as town. You got townread for it, i didn't. Maybe you just rolled with it, who the fuck knows. I don't, but i also don't know why you would EVER do that as town.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 15:08 GMT
#1780
..??
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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