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On March 21 2017 12:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's assume you're right. Now why does ritoky (who isn't even nearly the most townread person in the game) die?
I've thought of a few scenarios and maybe you can provide some insight
1. Kill ritoky because ritoky has historically good reads on someone/someones in the game. Is ritoky very stubborn? How does he go after people? There could be motivation to off a veteran player who has looked over stuff with fresh eyes.
2. I think it's more likely that ritoky symbolized a nice mix of everything mafia might try to hit during the night. Blue hunting, also not likely to be saved by medic, plus my previous point.
3. Scum is in a much better situation than the town thinks currently, and wants to provide the town with as little information as possible. Which is exactly what happened
4. Simplest yet improbable. Ritoky was right about Eden and his other reads (outside of me of course!) and mafia went for the direct kill to silence him. I find this incredibly short sighted and unlikely to be the sole reason because Eden (if eden is scum) and his partners have not attempted to discredit ritoky. Eden hasn't come back to the game. I just don't see the sole motivation being ritoky's Eden read like some have implied when Eden is (in this scenario) AFK scum.
5. Frame onto ritoky's scum reads. Plausible but probably not optimal considering Eden already had a lot of pressure on him
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On March 21 2017 12:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because if Eden is mafia there is nothing mafia can do about this lynch. Xatalos is smart enough to not fight it too much (while he tried at the start of the day already regardless of what he says). And all things considered Eden looks like mafia.
Agree that if Eden is scum his partners basically have to buss. He hasn't given them a shred of plausible deniability if they were to counter wagon push into scum!Eden flip
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Except mafia would know the setup and know there was a JK. So JK dodge I guess is technically the term
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On March 21 2017 13:27 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 12:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's assume you're right. Now why does ritoky (who isn't even nearly the most townread person in the game) die? I've thought of a few scenarios and maybe you can provide some insight 1. Kill ritoky because ritoky has historically good reads on someone/someones in the game. Is ritoky very stubborn? How does he go after people? There could be motivation to off a veteran player who has looked over stuff with fresh eyes. 2. I think it's more likely that ritoky symbolized a nice mix of everything mafia might try to hit during the night. Blue hunting, also not likely to be saved by medic, plus my previous point. 3. Scum is in a much better situation than the town thinks currently, and wants to provide the town with as little information as possible. Which is exactly what happened 4. Simplest yet improbable. Ritoky was right about Eden and his other reads (outside of me of course!) and mafia went for the direct kill to silence him. I find this incredibly short sighted and unlikely to be the sole reason because Eden (if eden is scum) and his partners have not attempted to discredit ritoky. Eden hasn't come back to the game. I just don't see the sole motivation being ritoky's Eden read like some have implied when Eden is (in this scenario) AFK scum. 5. Frame onto ritoky's scum reads. Plausible but probably not optimal considering Eden already had a lot of pressure on him
3 is what I'm worried about. I get the distinct feeling a few people are in kickback and relax mode, which is laughable since we haven't flipped a single scum yet. Process of elim thinking is making people lazy.
5 is always possible. I would not discount that this is what has happened.
I like you.
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On March 21 2017 10:41 AMG wrote:
Tumble, you floated past to remove your vote from me, but didnt want to discuss anything in the thread?
Talk to me about why you find Damdred town
that one is a feels read. just today I found myself saying "hey, that's a good post" a lot. much better than his d1
(and for most of today I have only been able to play for a couple minutes at a time. btw you are way cooler than afk!rels ever was and strong enough to town)
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On March 21 2017 08:22 AMG wrote:
Posting from work so Ill be in and out between phonecalls.
To everyone on the Eden wagon:
Unless you think the scum team is some combination of Myself, Tumble, Eden, Calix and Darthfoley.... then youre currently on a wagon with your scum reads. Have a good hard think about that.
I'm sorta confused why you treat this like it's a fool proof point. Almost certainly if Eden is scum his partners are bussing him considering he's given them nothing to work with... maybe if he had come back and fought the good fight against the lynch, you'd have a point.
Considering the fact that he's been MIA for like 36 hours and his activity came during low activity spurts, idk what you expect his theoretical partners to do? Other than defending Eden, can you expand on why you don't like Xatalos and anything additional on Damdred? Please elaborate on your fleshed out reads a bit more
Cuz I like the way you're playing so far and you aren't being lazy, but I need to hear what you think about others. Specifically Koshi, TW, Calix
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the whole eden thing feels weird though. (a la df's scenario #5)
I don't remember people being crazy against eden, except for ritoky and damdred, who people also weren't crazy about. and then ritoky dies and immediately everyone assumes it was eden? not quite buying it. and if eden wanted to kill someone "threatening" it should have been damdred, who actually had a little clout. I'm gonna counterwagon unless I can see a real good argument against eden.
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goin wildcard boys
now let's see if Koshi is actually scum...
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ABORT ABORT
Koshi is town need to find someone else
maybe disfo...
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my objectivity is at an all time low + Show Spoiler + but I'm flipping disfo to scum. other pro is we get a nice interesting EoD
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On March 21 2017 14:09 Tumblewood wrote:my objectivity is at an all time low + Show Spoiler + but I'm flipping disfo to scum. other pro is we get a nice interesting EoD
Explain why you TR koshi and are switching in disformation pls
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On March 21 2017 14:15 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 14:09 Tumblewood wrote:my objectivity is at an all time low + Show Spoiler + but I'm flipping disfo to scum. other pro is we get a nice interesting EoD Explain why you TR koshi and are switching in disformation pls
I didn't like the eden wagon, so I voted Koshi. then I decided I should probably read Koshi's filter in case he was town, and his filter was good. not a real close examination but everything I saw (see: cared about) made me think he was town. so I decided maybe I was wrong on disfo. and I had kinda come off reading Koshi's very anti-disfo filter but in this read I started caring more about how boring he was. and he was boring, and I disliked him enough to vote him.
then I checked out eden again and it was actually pretty townie imo
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On March 21 2017 13:52 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 08:22 AMG wrote:
Posting from work so Ill be in and out between phonecalls.
To everyone on the Eden wagon:
Unless you think the scum team is some combination of Myself, Tumble, Eden, Calix and Darthfoley.... then youre currently on a wagon with your scum reads. Have a good hard think about that. I'm sorta confused why you treat this like it's a fool proof point. Almost certainly if Eden is scum his partners are bussing him considering he's given them nothing to work with... maybe if he had come back and fought the good fight against the lynch, you'd have a point. Considering the fact that he's been MIA for like 36 hours and his activity came during low activity spurts, idk what you expect his theoretical partners to do? Other than defending Eden, can you expand on why you don't like Xatalos and anything additional on Damdred? Please elaborate on your fleshed out reads a bit more Cuz I like the way you're playing so far and you aren't being lazy, but I need to hear what you think about others. Specifically Koshi, TW, Calix
This lynch could have landed on a number of underperforming people... its landed on Eden. The only one stupid enough to be pushing back on it is me, including him.
The lynch was entirely up in the air on day start, Ritoky flipped and then this wagon generated steam at lightning pace.
I just dont subscribe to the idea that the scum team let it land on one of their own without so much as a damn whimper.
Ill give my thoughts on those people when I finish work.
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very strong town
calix
amg
other town
df
koshi
eden
xata
possible scummers
onegu
rayn
damdred
disfo
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Ignore rayn....
Another wagon isn't a bad idea. I won't vote for disfo today, but it's much more informative to have some competition.
ritoky kill was probably a combination of him being on the right track and wanting to create WIFOM
+ Show Spoiler +.... and avoiding a save. That makes rayn more likely town, but unfortunately the ritoky kill is more likely if there is a save to be worried about.
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On March 21 2017 14:32 Tumblewood wrote:
very strong town
calix
amg
other town
df
koshi
eden
xata
possible scummers
onegu
rayn
damdred
disfo
Uh.... How did Damdred, me and rayn end up lower than Eden, DF and AMG?
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On March 21 2017 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:
idk I'm looking through disfo and I think I like him again. his early d1 is still good and he wasn't as useless as I thought mid-d1 (probably the part I skipped because some of it is unfamiliar).
Also how did disfo become scum when you only had good things to say about him today >.>
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On March 21 2017 15:08 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 14:32 Tumblewood wrote:
very strong town
calix
amg
other town
df
koshi
eden
xata
possible scummers
onegu
rayn
damdred
disfo Uh.... How did Damdred, me and rayn end up lower than Eden, DF and AMG?
because I thought they were more town
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On March 21 2017 14:21 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 14:15 darthfoley wrote:On March 21 2017 14:09 Tumblewood wrote:my objectivity is at an all time low + Show Spoiler + but I'm flipping disfo to scum. other pro is we get a nice interesting EoD Explain why you TR koshi and are switching in disformation pls I didn't like the eden wagon, so I voted Koshi. then I decided I should probably read Koshi's filter in case he was town, and his filter was good. not a real close examination but everything I saw (see: cared about) made me think he was town. so I decided maybe I was wrong on disfo. and I had kinda come off reading Koshi's very anti-disfo filter but in this read I started caring more about how boring he was. and he was boring, and I disliked him enough to vote him. then I checked out eden again and it was actually pretty townie imo
OK, you did sort of explain it........
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On March 21 2017 15:14 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 15:08 Xatalos wrote:On March 21 2017 14:32 Tumblewood wrote:
very strong town
calix
amg
other town
df
koshi
eden
xata
possible scummers
onegu
rayn
damdred
disfo Uh.... How did Damdred, me and rayn end up lower than Eden, DF and AMG? because I thought they were more town
Rofl 
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EPT
