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regarding disformation
1. his vote on me was poopstick. he scum reads me for like a day because of an apologetic post I made towards Xata for being wrong about something lol. never really explains it
2. i looked extensively for his reasoning for voting Malongo and didn't find much. I also think it's a little weird that he voted for Malongo (and I started Malongo's wagon in terms of voting, provided the second case, etc.) when he was still sort of scum reading me the hardest.
On March 17 2017 23:26 disformation wrote:
i think in my brain its kinda like:
df > tw > mal > rels/1eg/eden > rayn
after that it gets a bit blurry as in various town leans / reads.
On March 18 2017 01:12 disformation wrote:
Hm. I think I still would prefer Mal over Damdred. Esp. now that I feel better about df. Putting my vote on mal.
Probably need to rethink my read list a bit overall.
Didn't really explain why he felt better about me. He also never attempted to really steer the wagon towards me even though he said i was most scum. Which is basically the reason he parroted from me to vote for Malongo. He town leans me for tone but again, that is such an easy lean for people to make.
Since then, I agree that disformation has been talked about probably less than anyone else in the game, which is quite weird considering how shaky his play was early D1.
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On March 20 2017 08:36 Tumblewood wrote:
the thread is going at a million miles a second so let me just say I am not touching xata, rayn, calix or df for the rest of the game. CCs barred of course. and I will park my vote on rels until he plays the game
Also don't see why scum!TW would ever make this post clearing 4 people. Can you explain why you're not touching Xata/Calix/Me please
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On March 20 2017 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 08:40 Tumblewood wrote:
also - why is eden suddenly 10000% scum? is it because rit cased him and then rit died? Why the fuck would ritoky die otherwise? That's the only thing he has said in the game. Unless you wanna argue Damdred is mafia because Damdred would shoot ritoky for sure.
Why do you say this? I don't know the history
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On March 20 2017 08:47 Calix wrote:Because Tweedledumb is smart and realises that we're all extremely townie? He took the words out of my mouth with that town circle since that's basically what I've been operating with since N1 
I've come around to the idea that you're probably town, but I also don't want to look like a fool post game so can you explain where the town read on me and Xata comes from?
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On March 20 2017 15:29 Xatalos wrote:
Then again, disfo's activity around EOD didn't seem scummy in general.
Meh.
The feeling of lynching disfo right now is a bit meh.
I'll keep my vote on him until a bit later anyway, at least.
Agreed, but I see Calix's point that a lot of his filter seems to be just filled up space. Idk his recent play just seems a little too agreeable compared to other people (e.g. Koshi, myself, rayn, Calix as soon as anyone suspects her lul, etc). Like I can't remember the last argument or spat disformation got into. It overall just seems almost too clean to be true. Maybe it's 02:30AM my time and i'm forgetting big occurences, but meh. Overall, I agree that Eden is probably the better lynch, but what's the point of everyone parking votes for 48 hours? Multiple wagons is almost always good for discussion's sake
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I remember disformation in the last game I played with him iirc, that he got very agitated multiple times. Tbf it was an agitating bastard game, but he got really frustrated when people weren't taking him seriously or engaging with his points (he was town).
Kinda similar to what Damdred was doing earlier. But everyone has kinda ignored him or simply town read him and he hasn't (from what I remember) tried to really get attention or make waves
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If rayn is scum fake claiming, doesnt that make Eden almost confirmed town? No way mafia would do this cc if the alternative wagon is another scum member. Unless rayn is a more important scum role. But then it means it's not all VTs. I just don't see scum!rayn making that play if scum!Eden is one of his partners
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Lol idk. I am gonna sleep on it
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Hope I wake up to 4 new pages of activity. It's more fun that way
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Hi I'm back for about an hour
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I think AMG looks very good so far. Hope it keeps up.
Pretty confident that Calix/rayn/koshi are town for the moment. Eden is probably scum, but I'm not sure where the other two lie.
Onegu has been unimpressive. Have no reason to TR him
Xata seems fixated on this rayn mafia conspiracy thing but the hesitation to me feels townie in the sense that he seems to have real setup worries aka he doesn't know the setup hence town points.
I'm starting to waffle on tumble again because he seems completely fine letting this whole disformation/my wagon come up but doesn't seem keen on vouching for or defending his town reads even though earlier he said he appreciates when people do that.
I'd agree that Damdred looks much better if Eden flips scum. If he flips town we are booty blasted
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On March 21 2017 04:38 Calix wrote:
Yo DF, Xatalos and DDD are tinfoiling you as scum iirc. You should check that out.
Yea I saw. Xata frames it as hedging when I consider it to be logical and reasoned play, especially regarding you. I realized mid way through day 1 that I was spending way too much brain power on you and making tons of pre flip associations and shit that were counterproductive.
I didnt hedge at all on Malongo and gave him multiple chances for me to rethink my vote.
I don't think this game is as easy as everyone seems to think and I don't have huge PoE town circles to work off of.
Top town are rayn given the claim and you, followed by koshi. After that it gets very muddled for me and I'm by sure what to think
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On March 21 2017 04:35 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 04:18 Onegu wrote:
The fact that Koshi isnt shouting from the rooftops that I am scum has me highly doubtful about him.
The fact Rayn isnt bitching about me more has me worried.
Calix doing so makes her town.
Xata is town.
Everyone else I have little to comment on. I am also worried for the exact same reason.
What does this mean?
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On March 21 2017 03:40 Xatalos wrote:
Heh.
Do note though that I never really townread him. Or read him for that matter.... He was kind of under my radar all game.
Both Eden and DF made cases that I thought had some merit at the time (against Calix and Malongo). Those cases haven't aged that well though and there isn't much else they've done (or practically nothing else in Eden's case).
Don't think this is a particularly accurate portrayal of my game. I'm like the only person to attempt pressuring Koshi and I successfully got his knickers in a twist (which I take pride in regardless of alignment)
I've had quite a busy day so while the last 10 pages were generated I wasn't around. Before that ritoky and Damdred(?) cased Eden pretty thoroughly which I don't have any problems with and I've been fine with him being the lynch today.
On the other hand you've been talking about this conspiracy theory bullshit for like half of today that isn't productive. You keep saying you'll stop and then you don't. So maybe we should both be more productive!
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On March 21 2017 04:52 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 04:42 darthfoley wrote:On March 21 2017 04:38 Calix wrote:
Yo DF, Xatalos and DDD are tinfoiling you as scum iirc. You should check that out. Yea I saw. Xata frames it as hedging when I consider it to be logical and reasoned play, especially regarding you. I realized mid way through day 1 that I was spending way too much brain power on you and making tons of pre flip associations and shit that were counterproductive. I didnt hedge at all on Malongo and gave him multiple chances for me to rethink my vote. I don't think this game is as easy as everyone seems to think and I don't have huge PoE town circles to work off of. Top town are rayn given the claim and you, followed by koshi. After that it gets very muddled for me and I'm by sure what to think Maybe. There isn't anything super scummy about you. Just the general careful/hedging feel of many posts and POE.
Is this a hedge? 
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On March 21 2017 12:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's assume you're right. Now why does ritoky (who isn't even nearly the most townread person in the game) die?
I've thought of a few scenarios and maybe you can provide some insight
1. Kill ritoky because ritoky has historically good reads on someone/someones in the game. Is ritoky very stubborn? How does he go after people? There could be motivation to off a veteran player who has looked over stuff with fresh eyes.
2. I think it's more likely that ritoky symbolized a nice mix of everything mafia might try to hit during the night. Blue hunting, also not likely to be saved by medic, plus my previous point.
3. Scum is in a much better situation than the town thinks currently, and wants to provide the town with as little information as possible. Which is exactly what happened
4. Simplest yet improbable. Ritoky was right about Eden and his other reads (outside of me of course!) and mafia went for the direct kill to silence him. I find this incredibly short sighted and unlikely to be the sole reason because Eden (if eden is scum) and his partners have not attempted to discredit ritoky. Eden hasn't come back to the game. I just don't see the sole motivation being ritoky's Eden read like some have implied when Eden is (in this scenario) AFK scum.
5. Frame onto ritoky's scum reads. Plausible but probably not optimal considering Eden already had a lot of pressure on him
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On March 21 2017 12:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because if Eden is mafia there is nothing mafia can do about this lynch. Xatalos is smart enough to not fight it too much (while he tried at the start of the day already regardless of what he says). And all things considered Eden looks like mafia.
Agree that if Eden is scum his partners basically have to buss. He hasn't given them a shred of plausible deniability if they were to counter wagon push into scum!Eden flip
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Except mafia would know the setup and know there was a JK. So JK dodge I guess is technically the term
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On March 21 2017 08:22 AMG wrote:
Posting from work so Ill be in and out between phonecalls.
To everyone on the Eden wagon:
Unless you think the scum team is some combination of Myself, Tumble, Eden, Calix and Darthfoley.... then youre currently on a wagon with your scum reads. Have a good hard think about that.
I'm sorta confused why you treat this like it's a fool proof point. Almost certainly if Eden is scum his partners are bussing him considering he's given them nothing to work with... maybe if he had come back and fought the good fight against the lynch, you'd have a point.
Considering the fact that he's been MIA for like 36 hours and his activity came during low activity spurts, idk what you expect his theoretical partners to do? Other than defending Eden, can you expand on why you don't like Xatalos and anything additional on Damdred? Please elaborate on your fleshed out reads a bit more
Cuz I like the way you're playing so far and you aren't being lazy, but I need to hear what you think about others. Specifically Koshi, TW, Calix
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