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On March 19 2017 06:38 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 06:35 darthfoley wrote:
Part of me is starting to sip the Xata kool aid that rayn's push on damdred seems off
super not passionate and only focusing on one exchange instead of trying to use the rest of his filter. Hmph Yeah. In the first place the thing was pretty NAI. No way it made Damdred 100% scum. But rayn just continued to push that one point... Without really adding anything new/important or giving satisfactory explanations. And apparently both Damdred and Malongo were fine even though Damdred was much more scummier to him (why..?).
Not gonna lie, I kicked around the idea that we were dealing with a scum!rayn who was distancing from scum!Malongo while pushing a town wagon (Damdred) which would explain why he kept pushing Damdred on this one point so much.
But I don't think it holds up.
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I'm not CFDing with 15 minutes left, lol.
And to be frank, I'd rather pressure Rayn if Malongo flips town than yolo-lynch Rayn and deal with a crappy inactive slot in a sea of crappy inactive slots.
You know, because that will be more entertaining.
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I know, that's why I didn't post it as a serious idea P:
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CFDs hit scum? lol what blessed games have you been playing? XD
From my experience, they lead to a domino chain of unnecessary claims and drama. And a lot of unnecessary talk on whether the claims are real or not, yadda yadda yadda.
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And people said that this EOD wouldn't reveal anything interesting. I...third (?) this point.
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Well that was anti-climatic.
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On March 19 2017 06:55 Damdred wrote:
Just gut feeling by tumble I having a really strange eod here.
Sorta pushing off mal while saying he will be ok with lynching him but having him high in his town list while saying he's a plynch now.
Then want I to make the vote me v rayn. Makes no sense.
Show weird eod
Anyway...
Tweedledumb, pls explain yourself here, thx.
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On March 19 2017 07:35 disformation wrote:
so I'll probably look more into the votes tomorrow (reasoning/timing). lets see if I can find something.
outside of that I think looking into eden/tw might be a good thing to do. rayn vs damdy can maybe also be a thing.
What makes you want to look into Eden/ group him with Tweedledumb?
The main thing that bugged me about his re-entry was his throwaway vote on Damdred that he didn't explain and ignored my question about it. Didn't say why he thought Damdred was scummier than someone he null-read either.
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Damdred (3) - raynpelikoneet, Koshi, DeepBlueSea89, Eden1892
disformation (0) - Calix, Xatalos, Koshi
Raynpelikoneet (2) - Malongo, Tumblewood, Xatalos
Calix (0) - disformation, Eden1892
Onegu (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
darthfoley (1) - disformation, Tumbleweed
Malongo (6) - darthfoley, Koshi, disformation, Calix, Damdred, Xatalos
Tumblewood (0) - Xatalos
Koshi (0) - Onegu
DeepBlueSea (1) - Onegu
Rels (1) - Rels
Looking at this, I suspect most of the scum are among the lazy, apathetic voters.
Rels, most obvious example since he prod-dodged the entire day.
Onegu, just popped in with one scum-read and fucked off again.
Eden, horrible read on me -> unexplained vote on Damdred for no apparent reason.
I'm not sure on why Koshi voted for Malongo exactly, not clear from his filter. Not lazy, just vague.
I'm not actually sure if this vote count is accurate as I thought Tweedledumb voted for Malongo but I haven't double-checked there yet.
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On March 19 2017 07:40 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 07:33 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 06:55 Damdred wrote:
Just gut feeling by tumble I having a really strange eod here.
Sorta pushing off mal while saying he will be ok with lynching him but having him high in his town list while saying he's a plynch now.
Then want I to make the vote me v rayn. Makes no sense.
Show weird eod Anyway... Tweedledumb, pls explain yourself here, thx. lynch probable but afk town on a bad wagon (rock) | me | lynch iffy but better town on a shenanigan (hard place) and I kept changing my mind and eventually I kept my vote in the hard place
Right.
Would you kindly go into more detail on your Raynpelikoneet scum-read then? Would like to know more about this conflict of yours.
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On March 19 2017 07:58 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 07:48 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 07:40 Tumblewood wrote:On March 19 2017 07:33 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 06:55 Damdred wrote:
Just gut feeling by tumble I having a really strange eod here.
Sorta pushing off mal while saying he will be ok with lynching him but having him high in his town list while saying he's a plynch now.
Then want I to make the vote me v rayn. Makes no sense.
Show weird eod Anyway... Tweedledumb, pls explain yourself here, thx. lynch probable but afk town on a bad wagon (rock) | me | lynch iffy but better town on a shenanigan (hard place) and I kept changing my mind and eventually I kept my vote in the hard place Right. Would you kindly go into more detail on your Raynpelikoneet scum-read then? Would like to know more about this conflict of yours. rayn more or less spawned a wagon on malongo that picked up a lot of steam despite rayn himself not being on it and there being no convincing case. I mean, the guy had 10 posts to work with, none of which were egregiously bad. vote logic points to rayn and two others on the wagon (I suspect koshi/damdred but it is no sure thing). rayn was obviously waaaay overconfident on his scumreads. more so than I believe he would be as town. BUT the wagon on him would inevitably be a shenanny in an afk thread, and he was by far a more active and potentially useful (if town) player than malongo. losing him as town would fuck us over way more. [in retrospect, the wagon would have had to be composed of people who I trust, so I overblew that concern.] this is why the choice was difficult the end
Your point about the wagon gaining a majority early on is more valid now that we know Malongo was town. Uncontested for a good chunk of the day, basically.
Why Koshi and Damdred in particular?
I can also relate to the last paragraph about potentially losing a more useful town player by CFDing though. I was going to ask why you didn't vote for Damdred but I imagine you would say something similar in response.
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I disagree if it's Day 1 and the person is generally hard to read early on.
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I was about to post a wall-post of Eden but then I saw ritoky's post. It is a good post. So I have condensed my notes and decided that ritoky is more likely to be town at this stage.
I still need to filter-dive Damdred. raynpelikoneet too.
I have looked at Koshi's filter and downgraded him to null. His filter is not as good as I thought it was - needs more insightful comments - and he has not done much as of late.
As for Eden...
- More focused on aggressively pushing points than scum-reads (e.g., TPR claim, outdated raynpelikoneet meta)
- Poor priorities with talking about meta meta meta over engaging with his biggest scum-read + Damdred
- Does he actually have any scum-reads now that he's reconsidering me?!
- Static reads, lacks fluidity
- Berates town for mislynching Malongo despite it being a decent lynch
- Enough excuses to kill an elephant
tl;dr: Lots of words being said, not a lot of things being done.
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I don't know about Tweedledumb. Yeah, he says a lot of dumb/ weird shit but his explanations check out and his attitude is overall townie.
I'm a bit biased because I know he's not the most charismatic fellow in the room and has a tendency of being lynch-bait. Therefore I don't feel like crucifying him for today. He's had a bunch of townie-sounding posts already and he consistently does this when he's being pressured.
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So reading Damdred's filter, I'm not getting the Towniest Town That Has Ever Towned vibes from him like I did at first. In fact, I can see why everyone has been calling him "meh" now.
But I'm also not sure where all the scum-reads are coming from. Like, what is the overarching scum motivation with his posts? If those people could make better cases that aren't "lol underwhelming" or "teh metas" then I'd appreciate it, thx.
Anyway, what I noticed:- Lots of agreeing with people
- A bit confused by these two posts since he seems to be saying that disformation is being scummy and then denies that in his next post. Then again, I have no idea what his first post even means due to his phone.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 17 2017 09:37 Damdred wrote:
Like to expound on dis a bit he is way to stubborn at points that he has explained and his concussion seems real tome.
And I think this comes not from town than scum. On March 17 2017 09:46 Damdred wrote:
I don't thinkni ever said I scum read disformation?
And no I'm not basing my townread of calix and xata on disf exactly.
- I thought his responses to Rayn were quite reasonable.
- Says Koshi and I are always town here. I'm not sure why he thinks that about the former.
- Also noticed that DF did evade his 'how is it scummy as fuck to have a problem with DF?' question quite a few times.
- Has been on the defensive more than the offensive (not including being pushed by rayn). Push on Tweedledumb and Eden an improvement but still meh.
- Was visibly frustrated at EOD, dunno if that was faked though.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2017 03:50 Damdred wrote:
I would so v willing to be lynched right now if rayn would apologize for ignoring me all game and calling all mybposts not smart when he has said exactly whatvi did multiple times.
Who I with me I'll even hammer myself. On March 19 2017 04:21 Damdred wrote:
I don't get how I'm not saying smart things when rayn isbliterallyvrepeating what I say after I did about mal and picking up things about Eden and my scum read on him.
Holy shit and xata is agreeing with him and troops me to null. Is thisnliterally real fucking life.
At least df has a legit reason to come arte me sing I wan arte him and I was on his scum list.
Which btw df my reason for voting mal was calling me and disf town voting rayn without any real explanation. Which I said first.
I'm leaving because I can't even this thread right now.
Not seeing anything damning here. He said it would be more interesting if Malongo is town but his reads haven't changed post-lynch at all (just the reasons) and sometimes his level of confidence in a read fluctuates without explanation but that is about it so far. Since I didn't find anything scummy (but also nothing amazingly townie), he is a town lean for now.
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On March 20 2017 01:12 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty happy with where I am. Maybe rayn is mafia. That will be fun.
Please elaborate, good sir 
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On March 20 2017 01:38 Damdred wrote:
Actually tumble read significantly changed tbh, he was null then nose dived into the total scum category.
And I honestly don't know what would be amazingly townie to you Calix lol, I think you want a godly messenger to come down and just annoint me at some point in some game lol.
But seriously I think you could make a case that everyone in the game has bad spots in their dilters. And both of those posts you quoted about dis was meant to be more about leaning town and town reading him for his stubbornness etc.
Didn't you have Tweedledumb as 'maybe town' at one point?
Your second line sounds off, can't quite pinpoint why. Maybe it's because I've been solidly town-reading you for most of the game so you being annoyed that I concluded that you were less townie than being the top townie makes zero sense.
Especially since the minor things I noted that could come from mafia don't add up to a case, just an assessment.
Double especially when this is the most I have ever town-read you in any game, lol.
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On March 20 2017 01:51 Damdred wrote:
Yeah I did have him as maybe town, good catch.
But I don't think you read my joke/sarcasm right q.q
"good catch" lol, it's like you're complimenting me for reading your filter properly P:
I'm an obtuse fuck that's immune to sarcasm 
Anyway, how's that filter-diving going? Who are you reviewing and what have you found?
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Also has your opinion on raynpelikoneet changed at all? You seem to have him as solidly town for most of the day despite him tunneling you with the question thing - why was that?
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