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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 18:12 GMT
#718
On March 19 2017 03:08 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 03:01 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 02:56 disformation wrote:
hmmmm. i'm cool with rayn's read on tw.
tw being suspicious as hell of one of the few ppl to have a tr on him, also kinda makes him more town imo.


Agreed on the last point especially.

Dunno what to make of Onegu right now. He's made a strong stance but I'm not convinced. I can maybe see a point for Blue being overly self-aware if I squint through a shot glass but that's not scummy by itself. An incidental tell to support a larger case at best.

dunno. it is an interesting find and a very onegu thing to pick that up/point that out. just help me too much with figuring onegs alignment out. xD


As I've only played with Onegu once before, can you explain what you mean by 'a very Onegu thing'? lol
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 18:33 GMT
#737
On March 19 2017 03:32 Xatalos wrote:
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On March 19 2017 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP:
1) The Damdred part is very weak. First of all, it's a bit too much to say that Eden's opening was obviously 100% NAI. In addition, even if it was 100% NAI, it's not a scummy thing to ask people for opinions on a sudden "big event". Their reaction could be possibly more significant than the event itself. Especially if there isn't much else to talk about yet.

What you are debunking here i am not arguing is something that makes Damdred mafia so all you have said is you don't understand my case.

2) On second thoughts, the Malongo part isn't that bad. Just not strong/convincing.

debunked?


Please explain your Damdred case better then.

I went on to be more critical of your Malongo case later on. I can find that post for you if you want....


Didn't he already explain his Damdred logic like, ten times when he was interacting with me earlier? I'd look at that.

I'd rather you explain YOUR Rayn scum-read better, actually.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 18:39 GMT
#743
On March 19 2017 03:36 Xatalos wrote:
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On March 19 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 03:32 Xatalos wrote:
On March 19 2017 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP:
1) The Damdred part is very weak. First of all, it's a bit too much to say that Eden's opening was obviously 100% NAI. In addition, even if it was 100% NAI, it's not a scummy thing to ask people for opinions on a sudden "big event". Their reaction could be possibly more significant than the event itself. Especially if there isn't much else to talk about yet.

What you are debunking here i am not arguing is something that makes Damdred mafia so all you have said is you don't understand my case.

2) On second thoughts, the Malongo part isn't that bad. Just not strong/convincing.

debunked?


Please explain your Damdred case better then.

I went on to be more critical of your Malongo case later on. I can find that post for you if you want....


Didn't he already explain his Damdred logic like, ten times when he was interacting with me earlier? I'd look at that.

I'd rather you explain YOUR Rayn scum-read better, actually.


I'm not confident that he's scum, but usually when he's adamant about pushing weak cases he's scum. That's what triggered my lingering suspicion after his big case post.


If you're not confident then maybe explain your thought process to the rest of the class (aka, using evidence from this game) about how he could be mafia THIS GAME...preferably with minimal meta references if possible. If you struggle with that then reconsider your case.

You're welcome for this great advice
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 18:41 GMT
#747
Eden, why do you keep talking about a meta-read on a strong town-read of yours instead of engaging with your biggest scum-read in the thread? O.o
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 18:45 GMT
#750
On March 19 2017 03:41 Calix wrote:
Eden, why do you keep talking about a meta-read on a strong town-read of yours instead of engaging with your biggest scum-read in the thread? O.o


As an addition to this, why are you voting for Damdred and why not engage with him?

(I know you said earlier that you didn't get an easy town read on him but that's not the same thing as a scum read)
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 18:51 GMT
#758
Side note: If you two are going to talk about Damdred, can we move away from the question thing and onto something a bit more relevant/ less beaten?

It's becoming the disformation misunderstanding of this chat, AKA, nothing new is going to come of it. Nobody new will find the question logic persuasive or find Rayn scummy for pursuing it.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 18:53 GMT
#760
Don't be dumb, Damdred. Martyring yourself because Rayn's being stubborn is like martyring yourself because LS used caps lock
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 18:57 GMT
#762
On March 19 2017 03:53 Xatalos wrote:
What else is Damdred even being pushed for?


Dunno but this current discussion is sure unproductive. For Damdred, the best thing that he can do is to scum-hunt normally (which I think he's been doing tbh).

As for Rayn, harping on about a post where you essentially accuse someone of scum-slipping is unproductive after a certain point IMO. Since you think they slipped, they have no chance of persuading you otherwise and it just frustrates the accused player, regardless of alignment. And it won't persuade anyone new, as said.

So moving onto a different topic/ part of Damdred's posting/ whatever is a great idea for everyone involved!
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 19:06 GMT
#766
I'm open to talking about it but I'm probably not changing my vote at this point. If the lynch is between an active town-read of mine and a non-contributing AFKer who has not even given a proper scum-read, it's a no-brainer.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 19:07 GMT
#767
Xatalos, did you find the arguments for Tweedledumb's townieness unconvincing? Just wondering since you are still voting for him and I can't remember if you responded to those or not.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 19:15 GMT
#776
On March 19 2017 04:12 Xatalos wrote:
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On March 19 2017 04:07 Calix wrote:
Xatalos, did you find the arguments for Tweedledumb's townieness unconvincing? Just wondering since you are still voting for him and I can't remember if you responded to those or not.


Hm? I've probably missed/forgot something since I was reading on my phone in fast sessions all day. Didn't you just recently call him scummy though? At least some hours ago.


Yeah I did but then Rayn made this town case and Tweedledumb responded with some paranoia on Rayn (the only person who really town-reads him) which looked townie to me. Pretty sure disformation picked up on it too.

As for your point about the stale wagon, I would be inclined to agree but none of today's wagons have 'picked up' really. Disformation's took a while to get going while Damdred's has been sitting with 2-3 votes all day. I don't think it means a lot.

If Malongo flips town then it becomes a lot more interesting though. But I don't see any reason in his posts to think that, he's been talked about a lot and he hasn't done anything. He's the superior lynch for today by miles.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 19:17 GMT
#778
On March 19 2017 04:13 darthfoley wrote:
Anyone else feel like Calix is completely hands-off today, letting the winds of the lynch wagons take her wherever they end up going?

Because I do!


lol wtf, DF. I'm voting for the person I think is the best lynch today.

He is still the leading train by two votes.

What exactly am I meant to be 'doing' here that I am not already doing?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 19:23 GMT
#787
On March 19 2017 04:20 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 04:17 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 04:13 darthfoley wrote:
Anyone else feel like Calix is completely hands-off today, letting the winds of the lynch wagons take her wherever they end up going?

Because I do!


lol wtf, DF. I'm voting for the person I think is the best lynch today.

He is still the leading train by two votes.

What exactly am I meant to be 'doing' here that I am not already doing?


I just feel like you're acting like a mediator rather than trying to play the game. Strikes me as lazier than I would expect from you.

I have my reasons for voting for Malongo but i'm still interacting with various people in the game in confrontational ways. Feels like you're coasting. Although tbf that could be lazy town or lazy mafia


Maybe you should change your 'expectations' then because it's clearly not doing you any favours with reading me, rofl.

For a less flippant answer, I want Malongo flipped so that I can start re-evaluating with actual info instead of second-guessing myself.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 19:25 GMT
#790
On March 19 2017 04:20 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 04:15 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 04:12 Xatalos wrote:
On March 19 2017 04:07 Calix wrote:
Xatalos, did you find the arguments for Tweedledumb's townieness unconvincing? Just wondering since you are still voting for him and I can't remember if you responded to those or not.


Hm? I've probably missed/forgot something since I was reading on my phone in fast sessions all day. Didn't you just recently call him scummy though? At least some hours ago.


Yeah I did but then Rayn made this town case and Tweedledumb responded with some paranoia on Rayn (the only person who really town-reads him) which looked townie to me. Pretty sure disformation picked up on it too.

As for your point about the stale wagon, I would be inclined to agree but none of today's wagons have 'picked up' really. Disformation's took a while to get going while Damdred's has been sitting with 2-3 votes all day. I don't think it means a lot.

If Malongo flips town then it becomes a lot more interesting though. But I don't see any reason in his posts to think that, he's been talked about a lot and he hasn't done anything. He's the superior lynch for today by miles.


Hmmm.... In the case of rayn/Tumble scum it would make sense though, to distance from rayn without losing/risking anything...?

But if we assume rayn is town, then it's probably not very sensible for Tumble to accuse rayn here..


Unless you have some incredibly airtight evidence for a pre-flip association between raynpelikoneet and Tweedledumb, I don't care to consider this scenario.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 19:29 GMT
#794
On March 19 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 04:23 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 04:20 darthfoley wrote:
On March 19 2017 04:17 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 04:13 darthfoley wrote:
Anyone else feel like Calix is completely hands-off today, letting the winds of the lynch wagons take her wherever they end up going?

Because I do!


lol wtf, DF. I'm voting for the person I think is the best lynch today.

He is still the leading train by two votes.

What exactly am I meant to be 'doing' here that I am not already doing?


I just feel like you're acting like a mediator rather than trying to play the game. Strikes me as lazier than I would expect from you.

I have my reasons for voting for Malongo but i'm still interacting with various people in the game in confrontational ways. Feels like you're coasting. Although tbf that could be lazy town or lazy mafia


Maybe you should change your 'expectations' then because it's clearly not doing you any favours with reading me, rofl.

For a less flippant answer, I want Malongo flipped so that I can start re-evaluating with actual info instead of second-guessing myself.


Your red bolding indicates a scum read of me?


If I thought it was scummy, I would have said so, you moron-a-thon.

Do you actually have anything substantial to 'pressure' me with or are you just going to read too much into the colour that I used to highlight something? -_-
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 20:46 GMT
#809
It's worth pointing out that a lot of players are AFK/ said that they wouldn't be back until close to EOD. Koshi, Eden, Rels, Blue, Malongo, Onegu...fuck, that's like half the game already.

Which is a bit annoying since the usual heuristic - that nobody is trying to divert the lynch - is less applicable than it would otherwise be.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 21:04 GMT
#812
I don't know how much of a good idea it is but if you want something to talk about, why don't we say what we'd do if Malongo would flip town/ scum?

If he's scum then I would probably look at the AFK bunch. Possible that scum bussed or did nothing but we'll have to see.

If he's town then I'm more likely to look at the people who were on solo trains. But I'd filter Damdred first since the assumption there would be that the two leading wagons = town.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 21:20 GMT
#817
Yes, daft folly. Damdred and I, Calix, are mafia.

This is part of our secret and incredibly subtle plot to incorporate you into our "town circle" so that we can manipulate you into having reads which you already have, then force you to focus on lurkers for three days until one of them tilts off the face of the earth and results in MYLO on steroids by Day 3

#scumbrag
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 21:22 GMT
#819
For real though, why EXACTLY do you scum-read us again? Individually, that is, since I'm starting to forget.

Saying that we're being nice to each other =/= case. It's pretty clear I am behaving differently from any game I've played...on here.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 18 2017 21:33 GMT
#827
On March 19 2017 06:28 darthfoley wrote:
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On March 19 2017 06:22 Calix wrote:
For real though, why EXACTLY do you scum-read us again? Individually, that is, since I'm starting to forget.

Saying that we're being nice to each other =/= case. It's pretty clear I am behaving differently from any game I've played...on here.


I don't think you've been scum hunting well enough or aggressively enough and a bit too much OMGUS. But you've made a few town points so it's not as strong as it was.

I'm also starting to waffle on Damdred a bit but I thought his play early between Xata and dis was odd and pointless and I couldn't really remember much that he did outside of that.

I'd like to give you two townie points for sticking around at deadline except we did the same thing last scum game so that's kinda cheap.

I really dislike all the AFK stuff today because this EoD absolutely benefits mafia 1000% if Malongo is town


That looks like you're fear-reading me a little bit. Well, maybe not that, but you have these expectations for my town play even though you've only seen me play as town once and it's premature.

+ Show Spoiler +
And I did say last game that I wanted to change my meta


I've never understood why sticking around at deadline is considered townie. That just depends on availability. I can see why people fucking off might look bad but I don't think it counts for the reverse.

If the AFKing continues then we'll have a massive problem on our hands regardless...
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