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On March 20 2017 05:50 Damdred wrote:
Ok I'll say it simply,
Tumble only started to look like confused town when he was questioned about his wanting to lynch his townread mal.
Before that he was perfectly fine with everything.
Okay, I'll timeline it.
So TW posts his reads at #626
He pops in later with #820, says he would like to lynch someone worse but isn't crazy about Malongo
You call him out for #626 with #830
TW makes another post, #832, where he criticises the Malongo wagon because of rayn's apparent overconfidence in it
Then he responds to #830 to say that policy lynches are never bad but he thinks the wagon is sketchy
So while I see where you are coming from wrt lack of confusion, Damdred, the fact that he had literally just popped into the thread is a mitigating factor in your argument and he had already expressed doubt before he responded to you. If he had confused to post in a coherent, calm fashion then I'd be more inclined to think it's a tell.
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I'm not sure how disformation did the same thing as me but reached a different conclusion. Hm.
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On March 20 2017 04:14 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 04:00 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix
people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels
people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble Why is rayn town and Xata null and Damdred "good" when the majority of rayn's interactions today have been revolving around Xata/Damdred. If you think rayn is making good posts, and many of his posts have been about Xata AND Damdred, then surely you would seem to think Xata and/or Damdred is more likely to be scum, no? But you have Damdred and rayn as both "good posts" and Xata "null posts." How good can rayns posts be if they're all wrong, according to your reads? You can add yourself to the "bad posts" section because your categories are ass. Good posts and bad posts have nothing to do with alignment, especially when you're playing with veteran mafia players who are good at both alignments. I find this post scummy ? I mean we must play a different game. Just because someone orients the game as black vs white, doesn't mean the game is actually black vs white. You're implying that because someone is tunneling, the tunneler and the tunneled must be opposite alignments. More often than not they aren't. Further, being right is also not a requirement for being town, there exists this thing and it is called a donkey, please ask Koshi about it he is abundantly familiar. Once you get away from the realm of right vs wrong and black vs white, and stop trying to render the game into a state of binary decision making, you arrive at a place where you can judge peoples' process. Process and intent are vastly more important than people's actual conclusions much of the time, and that is what matters. I see the town process in rayn when he rails on 1 point for hours and tries to drive discussion back to his point that he views as unimpeachably scummy, I see his process when he tries to scum check me to get a reaction. These are town processes for him, which make his posts good. You look at damdred and, he unprompted, makes a poignant observation and asks an extremely pointed question at tumble and then pushes when the answer is unsatisfactory. Once again I see the process, the desire for more information and to drive the game forward in the direction he thinks is right. You have to remember that you've been playing this game for 36 hours and have 50 pages, I have been playing for like 10 and have 5 pages, so my opinions have not had the cultivating of others' opinions. However, my categories are fine. Because people making bad posts are a good place to begin looking for me. I used to be quite skilled at reading people who post bad shit, so I likely still am. Some of the terrible posters will likely become my top town reads who I will never vote on soon.
You little fucker
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Don't understand why ritoky is trying to trigger me.
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On March 20 2017 05:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 03:37 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2017 03:33 ritoky wrote:
oh it was darthfoley. he responded super positive and agreeable to 2 posts i thought were hot garbage in tumble's and eden's posts. I still think Eden's 5-3 point was decent about Malongo. In retrospect he could do that as mafia so admittedly it's NAI, but I find the VCA component of it cool and something I hadn't thought about before Sorry for thinking that tumblewood's paranoia and generally EoD play isnt purely mafia indicative when I've done the same thing myself? Look back at the game where NeverUnlucky was lynched D1 as mafia and I was hard defending him as town for similar reasons. Made me look terrible after the fact, but I was still waffly and town "I did it as town once so this time I am town as well"
L2r pls. I was talking about Tumblewooe being town because I've done the same thing in the past when I was town
Nincumpoop
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On March 20 2017 04:45 disformation wrote:okay. where was I. tumblewoodstrongly suspicious of rayn. kinda waffles on/off that wagon a lot near deadline. spoiler cause long: + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2017 02:33 Tumblewood wrote:
oh shit i forgot to change my vote
guess that's what we have onegu for. i don't really wanna end up on him by the end of the day though, i have some decision making to do On March 19 2017 06:24 Tumblewood wrote:
hi I'm back and I don't have time to catch up by deadline. it looks like everyone's on malongo by now and while I'd like to lynch someone worse I'm not crazy about him
someone who can explain any major new developments to me would be appreciated otherwise I will skim (malongo was a town lean earlier) On March 19 2017 06:40 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 06:36 Damdred wrote:On March 18 2017 13:58 Tumblewood wrote:
okay great filter sesh!
where i am at
town, i think
calix
disfo
eden
malongo
dbs
koshi?
needs more examination but their filters were kinda long
rayn
damdred
xata
koshi?
bad
rels
onegu
scummy
df Can you explain how you want from thisto willing to lynch mal willing-ish just then because plynches are never bad but the wagon is so sketchy that I am swinging back to no On March 19 2017 06:43 Tumblewood wrote:
I kinda don't wanna lynch rayn either though because who wants to be *that guy* who mislynches rayn d1?
I will keep my vote on him but I'll have to force myself to On March 19 2017 06:46 Tumblewood wrote:
rayn/damdred is the pair that makes the most sense to me given vote logic. malongo wagon formed easily without rayn's vote. and then koshi as a third or something? trying to make a whole team on d1 is a bad idea and I feel bad already
oooooh this could also mean mal town rayn town
hnnnnggnggngngnnfmd On March 19 2017 06:53 Tumblewood wrote:
if I had to decide right now, to answer df, it would be malongo who I don't see being useful for either side but tells us a lot more than rels or onegu. and then I'd lynch rayn if mal flips town tbh. after rereading it, it kinda makes no sense to me as either alignment. Only explanation for the mal town lean was: Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 13:46 Tumblewood wrote:
and actually i would like to give malongo the benefit of the doubt for today. it is a tone thing. seems fickle and all over the place, which is ok and encouraged in tumblewood's townable world Though. I can kinda understand downgrading mal to a plynch after mal coming back to do nothing. Like town could have been waffly at deadline. TW also could be scum being worried to look bad for being on the wrong wagon. which could explain the: Show nested quote +- but I didn't switch at deadline because of basically what you guys have been yelling at me about from: Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 08:41 Tumblewood wrote:
I will explain the thought process just a little more and from then on I will not give a useful response
ok:
- before leaving, I got real suspicious of rayn
- when I came back, I saw malongo was still afk and I was like "a plynch isn't the end of the world"
- then I saw the votes and switched back to malongo as a bad wagon
- then (internally) I mulled over rayn as being useful compared to malongo, switched back to being but still on rayn
- I saw calix's post about shenannies being bad and decided not to go after rayn
- but I didn't switch at deadline because of basically what you guys have been yelling at me about
- after deadline I realized a shenanny was probably not that bad because most of the active players were town
I doubted myself okay as in being overly conscious about how he looks to the thread. Not impossible to come from town, but I am leaning scum on that.
All your posts are extremely boring. But this one is really boring.
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Anyway I think I am going to take a step back from the Tweedledumb thing. I think I'm getting too invested in 'proving' that he's town as opposed to being rational about it since I've been doing it for quite a while now and will be less willing to consider arguments to the contrary.
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On March 20 2017 05:19 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 05:16 Koshi wrote:
K finally home. Somebody catch me up / talk to me. Opinions on rayn?
mafia. Pretty sure atm.
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On March 20 2017 05:49 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 03:30 darthfoley wrote:
PSA that I hate Rels. That is all.
Anyways, I must say that I've been thoroughly unimpressed by Koshi's effort levels so far. Like I understand D1 being a crap shoot and all, but the D1 play looks super passive. Even know there are plenty of arguments going on between Xata, Calix, rayn, Damdred, Eden etc but Koshi only pops in with a few one liners.
Would like to hear what he makes of all of this stuff This is a fucking lie. I was only here the first 24h and I did way fucking more than that. Like.. You are taking my 24h filter and then pretend it is all I did for 96 hours. mafia.
Sorry for claiming you've been passive when you've only been an active contributor for 24 of the 96 hours?
Your use of the word fuck will not sway my opinion my dude
Or should I say: your fucking use of the god damn fucking word fuck won't change my fucking opinion
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On March 20 2017 05:58 Calix wrote:
I'm not sure how disformation did the same thing as me but reached a different conclusion. Hm.
I think the difference is that you are saying that the didnt see damdred calling him out until he made the second post on the wagon.
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On March 20 2017 06:04 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 05:49 Koshi wrote:On March 20 2017 03:30 darthfoley wrote:
PSA that I hate Rels. That is all.
Anyways, I must say that I've been thoroughly unimpressed by Koshi's effort levels so far. Like I understand D1 being a crap shoot and all, but the D1 play looks super passive. Even know there are plenty of arguments going on between Xata, Calix, rayn, Damdred, Eden etc but Koshi only pops in with a few one liners.
Would like to hear what he makes of all of this stuff This is a fucking lie. I was only here the first 24h and I did way fucking more than that. Like.. You are taking my 24h filter and then pretend it is all I did for 96 hours. mafia. Sorry for claiming you've been passive when you've only been an active contributor for 24 of the 96 hours? Your use of the word fuck will not sway my opinion my dude Or should I say: your fucking use of the god damn fucking word fuck won't change my fucking opinion
So in those 24 hours I was a passive contributor? That is your opinion? Yes or No?
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On March 20 2017 06:05 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 05:58 Calix wrote:
I'm not sure how disformation did the same thing as me but reached a different conclusion. Hm. I think the difference is that you are saying that the didnt see damdred calling him out until he made the second post on the wagon.
Time stamps show that there were only 1-2 minutes (21:36-21:38) between Damdred calling him out and Tweedledumb making his second post.
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I also never thought I'd see the day that I used TIME STAMPS as an argument, lol.
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On March 20 2017 06:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 06:04 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2017 05:49 Koshi wrote:On March 20 2017 03:30 darthfoley wrote:
PSA that I hate Rels. That is all.
Anyways, I must say that I've been thoroughly unimpressed by Koshi's effort levels so far. Like I understand D1 being a crap shoot and all, but the D1 play looks super passive. Even know there are plenty of arguments going on between Xata, Calix, rayn, Damdred, Eden etc but Koshi only pops in with a few one liners.
Would like to hear what he makes of all of this stuff This is a fucking lie. I was only here the first 24h and I did way fucking more than that. Like.. You are taking my 24h filter and then pretend it is all I did for 96 hours. mafia. Sorry for claiming you've been passive when you've only been an active contributor for 24 of the 96 hours? Your use of the word fuck will not sway my opinion my dude Or should I say: your fucking use of the god damn fucking word fuck won't change my fucking opinion So in those 24 hours I was a passive contributor? That is your opinion? Yes or No?
Looking back at your filter, passive is too strong of a word. I just feel like outside of the Damdred vs Disformation back and forth that you weren't as pushy or opinionated as I have seen town!koshi act in the past
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On March 19 2017 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 04:03 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well then i don't have to say anything anymore today. Did you have something else against Damdred other than that (debatably meaningful) question he asked at game start? Enlighten me. Normally Damdred has some good reads (or at least really townie thought processes on reads). I don't see any of it here. Like he usually feels happy(?) that he finds townreads and here it's just some random lists of some people and asking if people disagree... It's just... unsmart.
This is a good indicator why rayn is mafia. When he is town and he really found mafia. He keeps repeating his list of why that person is mafia. And when that person shows face aganin, he adds it to the list. But in this game, his list doesn't grow, it just stays the same while his mafia target keeps doing things.
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On March 20 2017 05:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's like your whole play at the EOD is basically "rayn and Tumble are mafia whatever Malongo's alignment is". This is probably a misrepresentation.
Kind of. I did think any of rayn/Tumble/Malongo could be scum, but I didn't say they all were or that flips among them wouldn't affect my reads on the rest of them.
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On March 20 2017 06:12 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 06:06 Koshi wrote:On March 20 2017 06:04 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2017 05:49 Koshi wrote:On March 20 2017 03:30 darthfoley wrote:
PSA that I hate Rels. That is all.
Anyways, I must say that I've been thoroughly unimpressed by Koshi's effort levels so far. Like I understand D1 being a crap shoot and all, but the D1 play looks super passive. Even know there are plenty of arguments going on between Xata, Calix, rayn, Damdred, Eden etc but Koshi only pops in with a few one liners.
Would like to hear what he makes of all of this stuff This is a fucking lie. I was only here the first 24h and I did way fucking more than that. Like.. You are taking my 24h filter and then pretend it is all I did for 96 hours. mafia. Sorry for claiming you've been passive when you've only been an active contributor for 24 of the 96 hours? Your use of the word fuck will not sway my opinion my dude Or should I say: your fucking use of the god damn fucking word fuck won't change my fucking opinion So in those 24 hours I was a passive contributor? That is your opinion? Yes or No? Looking back at your filter, passive is too strong of a word. I just feel like outside of the Damdred vs Disformation back and forth that you weren't as pushy or opinionated as I have seen town!koshi act in the past
So why are you misrepresenting me? You say:
" Even know there are plenty of arguments going on between Xata, Calix, rayn, Damdred, Eden etc but Koshi only pops in with a few one liners. "
Where did this happen? The only time I was on the sideline this game while activily playing was at the start of the day with Xatalos/damdred and disformation but only because I was chatting with my gf and even then I made other plays to confirm players.
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On March 20 2017 06:17 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2017 04:03 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well then i don't have to say anything anymore today. Did you have something else against Damdred other than that (debatably meaningful) question he asked at game start? Enlighten me. Normally Damdred has some good reads (or at least really townie thought processes on reads). I don't see any of it here. Like he usually feels happy(?) that he finds townreads and here it's just some random lists of some people and asking if people disagree... It's just... unsmart. This is a good indicator why rayn is mafia. When he is town and he really found mafia. He keeps repeating his list of why that person is mafia. And when that person shows face aganin, he adds it to the list. But in this game, his list doesn't grow, it just stays the same while his mafia target keeps doing things.
Yeah, he hasn't really added anything after Damdred's opening question thingy.... And with Malongo too, he pretty much just took one post from him and called him scum for that forever.
He did add new things to suspect me for though. But none of his reasons were ever good.
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Notable also that rayn's suspect list stayed the through the whole D1 (me/Damdred/Malongo). Even now it's mostly the same, after Malongo flipped town.
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On March 20 2017 06:18 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 05:46 Koshi wrote:On March 20 2017 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's like your whole play at the EOD is basically "rayn and Tumble are mafia whatever Malongo's alignment is". This is probably a misrepresentation. Kind of. I did think any of rayn/Tumble/Malongo could be scum, but I didn't say they all were or that flips among them wouldn't affect my reads on the rest of them.
No. That is not even what he is saying. rayn is saying that you are using pre flip association on Malongo's allignment to push both rayn and Tumble" or at least that is what that sentence normally is saying.
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