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On March 18 2017 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I get what you're saying: Did you read this: What would you think about this? If i made a post like this what would you think? I would think that it's logically fallacious and worth investigating. I wouldn't necessarily think it was scum. How are you reading Damdred's responses to this topic overall, with that in mind? Can you see some coherent town narrative? Inconsistent explanations? Incredibly scummy, pls lynch?  | ||
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On March 18 2017 02:55 Damdred wrote: At least 2 mafia in mal, onegu, rels, df, Eden. Everyone else has a reason I don't want to Lynch today. I kinda expect one mafia in my town reads but I hope not. Since DF has posted a fair amount, can you expand on your read here? | ||
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On March 18 2017 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am thinking this: Damdred asks a question where answers are: - disformation says bad town (wrong answer) - disformation says scum (wrong answer) - disformation says (NAI - wrong answer because "you sure have an opinion on that") Those are the only possible answers disformation can give. Now if every answer is wrong in the first place then Damdred should already have a conclusion or a lead on his alignment withouth the question. The only thing he can do with the answer is to call disformation out. Can you see why this is not a townie thought process? Later on he backs off. This is something that doesn't make him mafia but it makes sense as scum when me and Koshi are already calling him out of it. I don't see any substance in his other posting. I think I see where we're not clicking here a bit. You scum-hunt by looking for ways that people 'can't be town' while I tend to look for things that 'scum are more likely to do/ scum would only do'. So your third line (bolded) 'clicks' with me. Makes some sense from scum POV. Why wouldn't he follow up on that if his intentions were to accuse disformation though? He didn't really care about the early pressure on disformation and didn't vote for him even when Damdred was a leading wagon iirc. I also disagree with the last line. He's one of the more proactive people here imo. That doesn't necessarily make him town but it does make him a poor choice for a D1 lynch when we still have a fair few low-posters. So of your scum reads, Malongo is a better choice for a lynch. | ||
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On March 18 2017 03:18 Eden1892 wrote: I cut a couple posts in-between, but as far as I can tell, disformation's comment was about Damdred and not Xatalos. disformation is saying that he was unimpressed with Damdred's reasoning for voting Xatalos and not Xatalos's reaction to my opener. Yet for some reason the conversation plays out as though disformation were talking about Xatalos's reaction to me: ... Calix, why didn't you question disformation further once it became clear that there was a misunderstanding regarding what disformation was saying? Why did you cop out to a tone-based scumread that isn't actually alignment-indicative? Simple - because it wasn't clear. Until you made this post, it didn't even occur to me that disformation might have been talking about Damdred when he made that post. (I stopped giving a shit a while ago) But hey, at least you diagnosed the root cause of the misunderstanding. | ||
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If you're trying to get me to bog down the chat by arguing with you then you are sod out of luck. | ||
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On March 18 2017 03:58 Xatalos wrote: Well, it's also true that he hasn't really done anything. Just that his "complaint" post wasn't that bad like I thought before. Wasn't Rayn the person who first put forth that idea? I thought it was a decent-ish point as well. | ||
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On March 18 2017 04:01 Eden1892 wrote: I'm trying, and mostly there, but you people use too many words to communicate too many ideas and Safari browser makes keeping up basically impossible bc you can't jump to page reasonably. Hilarious that anybody thinks this group of gossips can get bogged down by any line of discussion lol. I'm not trying to bog down shit, I want answers. Why did you suddenly stop caring about your argument when you got the answer you needed and why did you start making these nebulous tone claims that you acknowledged yourself are possibly NAI as a reason to vote somebody? Fascinating but I see no reason to care about what you think since you're making things more complicated than they are and keep shoving leading questions down my throat. I've already said that disformation stuck out to me due to how he was acting and I voted. Then we argued again over his lack of doing shit. Then he started doing shit on his own and I unvoted. Simple. "that you acknowledged yourself are possibly NAI" You answer your own question with the word 'possibly'. I don't know whether it was NAI or not for sure so I engaged with disformation to find out. This is basic as fuck and I can't believe you thought this was a good thing to ask. | ||
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How the fuck am I supposed to respond to that?! I'm not you, thank the Lord, and there's no One True Way for town to play. Ta dah, I have countered your 'case' in five minutes. If you think I missed anything then pls bulletpoint because reading your rambling walls of pretentious crap is giving me a migraine. | ||
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On March 18 2017 04:56 disformation wrote: eden is slightly confusing me in a "the me of this morning would like/agree/post the same stuff" way. Hm? | ||
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On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote: I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting. Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix. Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame. I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well: I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway. That's about all I got that I think matters right now. If you're already using pre-flip associations and getting tunnel vision re: me before anyone has even flipped then your reads are going to be so off it's not even funny. What do you actually think of Malongo himself? Why exactly he is null to you? | ||
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On March 18 2017 05:09 disformation wrote: just feels weird reading him post stuff very similar to what I was posting earlier today. deja vu like. not sure what to make of it. hes also ignoring other stuff you did like the interactions with rayn. def. liked his overall reads post more than that. Wouldn't that count as him mind-melding with you, thus a town-read in your eyes then? I think his case against me is fundamentally flawed since he assumes that townies have a Specific Way of playing as town but I don't think it's mafia-motivated. Way too much focus on the context and you can see how he thinks. Which means we have quite a problem on our hands re: too many townie-looking people. It's extremely unlikely, statistically speaking, that Rels/ Onegu are two of the mafia so I think we're dealing with a vet or two as mafia. | ||
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On March 18 2017 05:11 Eden1892 wrote: You forgot the parts where: - your reasoning was bunk - you got really pissy for no reason when I tried to understand where you were coming from. I hope I made that short enough for your attention span, let me know if I need to break it down further. And hey, if y'all are gonna post 400 comments a day and give me a migraine, you can suffer through some long-winded sentences every now and then. Seems fair. If you're so worried about little ole me voting for you, you can make a good case for Malongo being mafia. I don't actually get where that's coming from and I see you parked there, so maybe if you're town you can do us both a favor by showing me what I'm missing about Malongo and about you with a good case. If not, I can keep doing my thing here and that's fine by me. Your call. I'm not annoyed, that's my charm and wit showing. Swearing =/= anger. My main point on Malongo is that his main action so far (voting Rayn for NAI reasons - trolling) goes against his stated aim of trying to save Damdred and disformation. Why? Because Malongo's reasoning for voting for Rayn is extremely unlikely to persuade anyone to switch off DD/ disfo. He doesn't explain why the individual players are town either. It's like he's pretending to care and look cautious while not ACTUALLY trying to change the outcome. Make sense? And no, I'm not going to make a town case on myself. If you stop saying retarded shit like that then I might stop calling you an idiot and cooperate | ||
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On March 18 2017 05:19 disformation wrote: TBH I never 100% understood that mindmeld stuff. The thing is: if I still was scumreading you, there would be a case for that, but I think I was a bit omgus inflicted earlier today and liked your interactions with rayn for example. but yeah unless it is straight up rels/1eg/malongo, which would be fairly lulz, we kinda have a little problem on our hand. I think I might have to reconsider the validity of mind-melding after this game. I've had too many moments where people have agreed with me and vice versa already. Well since three people think my early interactions with you were problematic then the logical conclusion is that I fucked up there, probably with misunderstanding you re: what Eden pointed out. But that's my cross to bear. And you say it's a problem, but I prefer the term 'challenge'. Difficult game state, not being insta-town-read/ N1'd, playing with the pros...I am actually pretty hyped for this game. | ||
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On March 18 2017 05:35 disformation wrote: so some random thoughts about what/who I might have missed. not sure if ill completely sort it out today, but dunno some ideas what i could have been missing / want to reconsider tomorrow: a) rayn and koshi are right on damdred after all b) tw got cut too much slack c) its someone i am not considering at all atm A) Possible, will filter him soonish. I did defend him a lot earlier and then never really paid him mind afterwards, should look at what he's done lately. B) Have just looked over TW's filter. He isn't doing a lot except for giving town reads and admits to having no scum reads. That's not necessarily scummy though. After all, I am increasingly finding that everyone in my original scum pool looks townie so TW thinking the same way isn't AI. It might be notable that he seems pessimistic (vets are very hard to read, etc, not a productive attitude when a lot of the players are vets) and has yet to make a concerted effort to find mafia or really engage with people to get a feel for them. But he could also feel disheartened that nobody is obvious mafia - I could definitely relate there. Anyway, let me know what you think there. | ||
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I actually thought I was a scum-read but DF's latest post just has me as a "possibility" He's critical of Xatalos, TW, Malongo (his current vote), disformation (does say that he thinks disfo's D1s suck tbh). Also thinks there's some weird shit between Damdred/ Calix...although since he thinks I'm scummy, I don't understand why his first thought wasn't TvW or something. tl;dr: Possible middle-of-the-road scummer here who throws out suspicious without following it up in any meaningful way. | ||
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On March 18 2017 05:49 Calix wrote: DF also a possible mafia candidate. Mainly his pg 2 filter since there are a lot of criticisms of players but I'm not sure what his scum-reads are exactly. And a lot of one-liners and random questions which blend in with the rest of the chat. I actually thought I was a scum-read but DF's latest post just has me as a "possibility" He's critical of Xatalos, TW, Malongo (his current vote), disformation (does say that he thinks disfo's D1s suck tbh). Also thinks there's some weird shit between Damdred/ Calix...although since he thinks I'm scummy, I don't understand why his first thought wasn't TvW or something. tl;dr: Possible middle-of-the-road scummer here who throws out suspicions without following it up in any meaningful way. EBWOP I would like clarification from DF, just to make it explicit. | ||
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On March 18 2017 05:54 disformation wrote: mh, i like you noting that tw sounds pessimistic. some ppl think thats more likely to come from scum. i kinda like that tw is kinda stubborn about his TvT read. think would be more profitable for scum to make up some stuff about it being a scum vs town thing and then trying to ml both. unless you are scum with tw ofc. xD otherwise it is a bit meh. like you said very little content and scumhunting. would really like for him to explain his malongo town lean. tone is also slightly more town like. nice mix between not giving a damn and being fairly chill, like with his rayn read and the tvt thing. Has that "lol let's say it sounds like SvT and ML both" idea EVER worked in killing the two townies? Just wondering P: Dunno about his tone but then again, I have an easier time when I can actually talk to the person. Like with Rayn, his tone was really good. Eden's didn't feel manipulative either, more focused on accusing his scum-read and being 'witty' than selling anything, really. Anyway, I think we should not lynch TW today then. If he's not actively trying to sabotage the abundance of town-reads (like people initially thought earlier re: that town circle post) then he's asserting himself as someone who isn't disruptive, ergo less likely to be mafia. | ||
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On March 18 2017 06:02 darthfoley wrote: Nah i still have you in my scum pile, but I believe Malongo is a better lynch than you currently. My use of the word possibility was simply referencing lynch orders. I'm critical of Xatalos because I felt like he labored on and on about the same hashed up shit from early D1. I don't recall him really driving conversation or inquisiting people after that. I think disformation often says he doesn't have the best D1 play. I would agree with him this game, but playing poorly has never equaled mafia so no, I never really scum read him. He's in the town side of null category. I've explained my suspicions rather succinctly in my opinion, and what I think of players in the game. My overall list goes something like this: Town Eden rayn Koshi disformation Xata DeepBlue Onegu Rels Calix Damdred Malongo Mafia Something like that What makes you think Calix/ Damdred is SvS? + Show Spoiler + If this is what I think it is, I will actually get annoyed. What about Damdred makes him more scummy than moi, the person you spent more time pressuring in the early days? The rest of your points are adequately explained. | ||
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On March 18 2017 06:05 darthfoley wrote: And the obvious reason for mafia to list a bunch of town reads while not scumhunting is that they can claim PoE later in the day and defend it by saying the person wasn't in their town circle etc. I think it's actually quite a safe play because it allows some potential for buddying and it gives a pre-determined defense when their PoE flips green. Are you saying that I have not been scum-hunting or what? This is also amusing since part of your scum-read is meta-based, yet you say this. | ||
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