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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:40 GMT
#2682
I actually liked Tumble's posts in the recent pages. Didn't feel like he planned any of that in advance, but rather started rethinking things and his conclusions flowed directly from whatever he was thinking. Dunno if I explained that well, but basically I don't get the feeling there was an agenda in there or that he wanted to especially "look good" at all.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:44 GMT
#2683
Tumble: who do you think would be the "pushover" scum in your theory for why ritoky was killed? I like the theory otherwise, but I don't really see who would just let Eden control the kill.. When he was barely even playing by N1.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:45 GMT
#2684
On March 25 2017 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 16:25 Tumblewood wrote:
in order, the scumteams that make the most sense by association are:
damdred/disfo > amg/disfo > damdred/xata > amg/damdred > disfo/xata > amg/xata > any team with Koshi > any team with rayn or df
and I think damdred/disfo might be a winner

What is "any team with rayn or df"?


Just that, rayn + X or DF + X?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:47 GMT
#2685
On March 25 2017 14:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to be so mad at Xatalos if Damdred is mafia in this game.


If that's the case, I'll admit I was wrong when I said "at least I've been more correct than you". I really hope that's not the case though
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:50 GMT
#2687
On March 25 2017 11:41 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe I could just go with the "never wrong on TvT arguments" theory and lynch amg and damdred. seems like a mighty easy play


What's this theory? Thread shitfights are always TvT? >.> I'll admit I've never participated in one as scum, but I've seen cases of that happening. Me (town) vs rayn (scum) for example haha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:52 GMT
#2688
On March 25 2017 19:49 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 19:45 Xatalos wrote:
On March 25 2017 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 25 2017 16:25 Tumblewood wrote:
in order, the scumteams that make the most sense by association are:
damdred/disfo > amg/disfo > damdred/xata > amg/damdred > disfo/xata > amg/xata > any team with Koshi > any team with rayn or df
and I think damdred/disfo might be a winner

What is "any team with rayn or df"?


Just that, rayn + X or DF + X?

so. how does a team work that is e.g. df+x where x is not rayn?


That's a good point... it doesn't even work. You're both fake claiming or genuinely claiming after all.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:54 GMT
#2691
On March 25 2017 19:52 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 19:50 Xatalos wrote:
On March 25 2017 11:41 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe I could just go with the "never wrong on TvT arguments" theory and lynch amg and damdred. seems like a mighty easy play


What's this theory? Thread shitfights are always TvT? >.> I'll admit I've never participated in one as scum, but I've seen cases of that happening. Me (town) vs rayn (scum) for example haha

if i remember correctly he had like calix and me as tvt for our d1 argument.


Hm ok..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:55 GMT
#2692
Ok, kind of makes sense I guess.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:58 GMT
#2695
Hmm... Everyone alive now has some reason I think they're town. But obviously 2 are scum...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 11:00 GMT
#2696
Like I think of a reason anyone could be scum - and I come up with 2 reasons for being town........ sucks
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 11:07 GMT
#2698
On March 25 2017 20:06 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 19:58 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... Everyone alive now has some reason I think they're town. But obviously 2 are scum...

inb4 all vt after all xD

though dont think it is very likely


Heh yeah it's always the lingering doubt in the back of my head. I don't see a path for victory for them if that's the case though. Or do you?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 11:15 GMT
#2700
Yeah though they've both been my scumreads at different points, it's not really worth worrying too much about now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 11:27 GMT
#2701
Sorry but I think something like AMG+disfo makes the most sense right now, purely through POE.......

(I guess it's not 100% impossible there's scum hiding within Damdred/Koshi, just not that likely.)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 11:30 GMT
#2702
Mainly because I just don't see Damdred/Koshi allowing the night actions so far.... and they've seemed decent enough otherwise.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 11:33 GMT
#2703
And Tumble has felt pretty good tonight.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 11:38 GMT
#2704
+ Show Spoiler +
Tumbleweed, the hero we deserve - not always in the clearest state of mind, but occasionally coming through with the revelations we needed
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 11:47 GMT
#2708
Damdred is actually quite a bit less likely scum because of vote history, yeah. He'd have to have been double bussing with Eden pretty hard, even risking Damdred's life D1 since rayn was pushing Damdred... and the highly spread out vote is more indicative of all town wagons (at least the biggest ones, Damdred/Malongo)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 11:48 GMT
#2709
On March 25 2017 20:43 disformation wrote:
not as conclusive as i hoped though.
remind me to bitch at ppl 24/7 to form two proper wagons.


That's what I've been saying
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 11:51 GMT
#2710
So yeah, I really doubt Damdred could be scum. He'd have approved extremely risky distancing / double bus play with Eden and also approved very risky and outright bad night actions. I don't think scum Damdred would have done either.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 11:53 GMT
#2711
So yeah I'll put into my never lynch list

Damdred
DF
Rayn

(Rayn/DF assuming their claims are real)

Most likely never lynch

Kosher
Tumble

Lynch away?

AMG
disfo
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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