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On March 18 2017 06:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 05:49 Calix wrote:
DF also a possible mafia candidate. Mainly his pg 2 filter since there are a lot of criticisms of players but I'm not sure what his scum-reads are exactly. And a lot of one-liners and random questions which blend in with the rest of the chat.
I actually thought I was a scum-read but DF's latest post just has me as a "possibility"
He's critical of Xatalos, TW, Malongo (his current vote), disformation (does say that he thinks disfo's D1s suck tbh). Also thinks there's some weird shit between Damdred/ Calix...although since he thinks I'm scummy, I don't understand why his first thought wasn't TvW or something.
tl;dr: Possible middle-of-the-road scummer here who throws out suspicious without following it up in any meaningful way. Nah i still have you in my scum pile, but I believe Malongo is a better lynch than you currently. My use of the word possibility was simply referencing lynch orders. I'm critical of Xatalos because I felt like he labored on and on about the same hashed up shit from early D1. I don't recall him really driving conversation or inquisiting people after that. I think disformation often says he doesn't have the best D1 play. I would agree with him this game, but playing poorly has never equaled mafia so no, I never really scum read him. He's in the town side of null category. I've explained my suspicions rather succinctly in my opinion, and what I think of players in the game. My overall list goes something like this: TownEden rayn Koshi disformation Xata DeepBlue Onegu Rels Calix Damdred Malongo MafiaSomething like that
What makes you think Calix/ Damdred is SvS? + Show Spoiler +If this is what I think it is, I will actually get annoyed.
What about Damdred makes him more scummy than moi, the person you spent more time pressuring in the early days?
The rest of your points are adequately explained.
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On March 18 2017 06:04 Damdred wrote:
I think that tell isn't the best, I'm extremely aware of my meta and try to change and manipulate it as best as I can as scum to try to get better and ice on people.
But let's be honest here, the game is pretty difficult outside a few things.
As for little things adding up on me I don't really think any of it adds up to a decent case at all. Like Rayns main point I've explained 50 times already by the misunderstanding between myself and disformation.
yeah dunno. gut read says you are not scum.
if i had to put it into points i think you are like 4/6 in town favour. so town lean or whatever.
but i feel like i am missing someone and something.
dunno. getting tired.
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On March 18 2017 06:05 darthfoley wrote:
And the obvious reason for mafia to list a bunch of town reads while not scumhunting is that they can claim PoE later in the day and defend it by saying the person wasn't in their town circle etc. I think it's actually quite a safe play because it allows some potential for buddying and it gives a pre-determined defense when their PoE flips green.
Are you saying that I have not been scum-hunting or what?
This is also amusing since part of your scum-read is meta-based, yet you say this.
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yeah dunno. like tw is not slam dunk scum. by far. but i would feel way better if he was like trying to figure out the game. xD
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Idk i felt like you two treated each other too cordially early on.
I think I have a decent understanding of how you would approach him if it were TvS with you being the scum, and it didn't play out like that.
Tbf you two are right around the same level for me. Not slam dunks but i'm suspicious of you two. Without doing in depth filter diving, my impression is that you've been more active and you've been active in the right places about the right things. I haven't gotten that impression from Damdred.
Maybe i'm being overly paranoid because my last mafia game on here was our scum triad, idk. We'll see as the game progresses
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On March 18 2017 06:09 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 06:05 darthfoley wrote:
And the obvious reason for mafia to list a bunch of town reads while not scumhunting is that they can claim PoE later in the day and defend it by saying the person wasn't in their town circle etc. I think it's actually quite a safe play because it allows some potential for buddying and it gives a pre-determined defense when their PoE flips green. Are you saying that I have not been scum-hunting or what? This is also amusing since part of your scum-read is meta-based, yet you say this.
No, that point was about Tumblewood's inability to have a scum read 23 hours into the game. Should've clarified
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On March 18 2017 06:10 darthfoley wrote:
Idk i felt like you two treated each other too cordially early on.
I think I have a decent understanding of how you would approach him if it were TvS with you being the scum, and it didn't play out like that.
Tbf you two are right around the same level for me. Not slam dunks but i'm suspicious of you two. Without doing in depth filter diving, my impression is that you've been more active and you've been active in the right places about the right things. I haven't gotten that impression from Damdred.
Maybe i'm being overly paranoid because my last mafia game on here was our scum triad, idk. We'll see as the game progresses
Can you expand on that TvS comment?
And yes, I am an overrated scum player. This is why I can't help but think that people who scum-read me are obtuse fuckers. But maybe I'm just not aware of what I look like to the average person, idk.
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Also I am back to thinking you're town again...which is largely based on tone. You were extremely defensive/ shitting-your-pants-mode when pressured as mafia so unless you have drastically upped your game then your more relaxed, w/e tone over the course of the day = town.
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Idk I don't think this game looks anything like your scum game so far meh.
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oh. just randomly remembered something about mindmelds.
there was a glorious game where town!sicklucker had a mindmeld with scum!rels.
just sayin' 
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Game state is hard unless mafia isexactly onegu/mal/rels. And I kinda doubt that exactly...
Like I really liked a couple of tw posts based on tone and his sheer attitude/balls on his read of disf v cal was tvt. It could be a easy read as scum but just something felt real about the way he made that read.
Df last page of his filter isn't bad and he's pretty up front and had real reads.
Like I kinda feel like we probably have one of not two mafia in our secure town reads atm.
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On March 18 2017 06:23 disformation wrote:oh. just randomly remembered something about mindmelds. there was a glorious game where town!sicklucker had a mindmeld with scum!rels. just sayin'
ROFL
Point taken.
@Damdred, so you mean Blue, Koshi, Xat and then us two, yes? Pretty sure they were my original town base.
Blue's filter is easy to remember off the top of my head. Good posts but doesn't talk a lot unless prompted + only really talked about you.
I'd have to consider rayn/ DF's points about Xat wrt filter-diving him.
No idea on Koshi.
So possible?
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On March 18 2017 06:14 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 06:10 darthfoley wrote:
Idk i felt like you two treated each other too cordially early on.
I think I have a decent understanding of how you would approach him if it were TvS with you being the scum, and it didn't play out like that.
Tbf you two are right around the same level for me. Not slam dunks but i'm suspicious of you two. Without doing in depth filter diving, my impression is that you've been more active and you've been active in the right places about the right things. I haven't gotten that impression from Damdred.
Maybe i'm being overly paranoid because my last mafia game on here was our scum triad, idk. We'll see as the game progresses Can you expand on that TvS comment? And yes, I am an overrated scum player. This is why I can't help but think that people who scum-read me are obtuse fuckers. But maybe I'm just not aware of what I look like to the average person, idk.
Well from what I remember, we tried to put Damdred on the defensive as soon as he came into the game so that he couldn't scum hunt as effectively. This game you threw out an early town read on him and didn't seem as paranoid/suspicious of him as I think you would be if you were town.
I know the circumstances are different considering that game had the whole replacement thing, which is why I don't think it's a huge point against you.
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On March 18 2017 06:28 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 06:23 disformation wrote:oh. just randomly remembered something about mindmelds. there was a glorious game where town!sicklucker had a mindmeld with scum!rels. just sayin' ROFL Point taken. @Damdred, so you mean Blue, Koshi, Xat and then us two, yes? Pretty sure they were my original town base. Blue's filter is easy to remember off the top of my head. Good posts but doesn't talk a lot unless prompted + only really talked about you. I'd have to consider rayn/ DF's points about Xat wrt filter-diving him. No idea on Koshi. So possible?
If we go with just that group to look into would have to be just deep and xata. Everyone else I think is pure town
I still think both are town in more confident right now in xata but both of them do have a couple question marks. Like xata has some really well reasoned posts but sort of lacks at points in the scum hunting department and isn't as posty as I remember.
Deep as well had some nice posts but was super focused on one and hasn't done much since. But has the whole first game here going for him. But I don't think his postings were outside scum range for anyone in the game
Like I'm really sure you and koshi are always town here.
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Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
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On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
Dunno if I did. Was in a hurry to reread the chat when I made that vote and didn't bother explaining it. Still don't tbh.
What does the second line have to do with how much you liked Eden's case?
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On March 18 2017 06:54 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 06:28 Calix wrote:On March 18 2017 06:23 disformation wrote:oh. just randomly remembered something about mindmelds. there was a glorious game where town!sicklucker had a mindmeld with scum!rels. just sayin' ROFL Point taken. @Damdred, so you mean Blue, Koshi, Xat and then us two, yes? Pretty sure they were my original town base. Blue's filter is easy to remember off the top of my head. Good posts but doesn't talk a lot unless prompted + only really talked about you. I'd have to consider rayn/ DF's points about Xat wrt filter-diving him. No idea on Koshi. So possible? If we go with just that group to look into would have to be just deep and xata. Everyone else I think is pure town I still think both are town in more confident right now in xata but both of them do have a couple question marks. Like xata has some really well reasoned posts but sort of lacks at points in the scum hunting department and isn't as posty as I remember. Deep as well had some nice posts but was super focused on one and hasn't done much since. But has the whole first game here going for him. But I don't think his postings were outside scum range for anyone in the game Like I'm really sure you and koshi are always town here.
'isn't as posty as I remember' - I can't even imagine, lol.
Blue has said that they have played for several years, not sure that this argument applies either way.
I'm not sure how viable pressure on Blue is. It's not like anything he's done is that scummy. 24 hours left so if we try to stack votes and get him to open up, we run the risk of lynching him instead.
Or maybe I'm being too pessimistic about activity. There's always Malongo who only TW seems to be town-reading and who has yet to appear.
But that's no good either. We need some kind of 'back up' train in case Malongo pops in and makes some really townie posts. Our current problem is that there's no real consensus on who that should be yet.
Thoughts?
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The speed of this thread is way too fast for me, sorry. I just returned from work and there are several new pages. I don't think I can keep up with this game. I asked to be replaced. I'm just used to a much slower pace. Maybe some other time.
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Well that's unfortunate 
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Koshi is fucking drunk. Fuck. I can't take alcohol. 5 beers in 2 hours. Or no. It was 3hours 30 minutes. damn. Oh well. I am going to skim. Page 26 atm.
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