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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 09:00 GMT
#2287
If the scumteam is really Eden+Onegu+AMG then it's real a disaster for them. Especially if AMG hadn't replaced.... In any case if ray is town and we have a Cop I don't see how we can ever lose.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 09:23 GMT
#2289
Tumble's play was just weak and disinterested D1 from what I remember. At some point there I also went theoretizing about a rayn+Tumble team and got stuck in that mindset. After D1 I slowly started to reconsider and ended up with him being too disinterested in his or appearance, rather than disinterested in general, which made me feel better. That and his actions at EOD (at least with town rayn making little sense).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 09:24 GMT
#2290
Little sense as scum*
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 09:50 GMT
#2292
I started switching to you around that time, I think. Anyways the connection thing wasn't initially as strong in my mind as later on.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 09:56 GMT
#2294
?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 09:58 GMT
#2295
Ah. But you're nitpicking again. I wasn't immediately confident to lynch you over Tumble, maybe, but I didn't push Tumble either. I said something like "maybe we should lynch Tumble"?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 10:09 GMT
#2297
Didn't really matter at that point. Since I wasn't confident enough to push you in the end, it would feel hypocritical to leave my vote somewhere else. And I did think he had an OK chance to flip scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 11:46 GMT
#2309
Seems like disfo had about the same thoughts on AMG as I did.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 11:47 GMT
#2312
On March 22 2017 20:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 20:46 Xatalos wrote:
Seems like disfo had about the same thoughts on AMG as I did.

I had the thought first though.


>.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 12:19 GMT
#2325
On March 22 2017 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 20:46 Xatalos wrote:
Seems like disfo had about the same thoughts on AMG as I did.

But you just said "AMG even pushed against Eden lynch" which has been your main reason for scumreading hi -> try to save Eden. And you agree with disformation in "AMG didnt really look like he was trying to get his scumread lynched".

Those two are 100% mutually exclusive.


AMG didn't hard deflect away from Eden, but close enough. Enough to say that in hindsight his D2 play was probably the most scum-favoring.

I mean he did kind of try to get the lynch anywhere else if possible, but didn't hard push on his own. Latched onto my wagon very easily though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 12:20 GMT
#2326
On March 22 2017 21:14 Calix wrote:
Hello, allow me to ignore everything that's being discussed right now to say that if Oh-ne-gu is mafia, he's probably Godfather for his poorly-substantiated "Xatalos is the Cop who green-checked me" theory.

Someone point out if there are any holes in this theory of mine.


Would really like an explanation from him. It's an interesting idea though. Maybe he was hoping to be cleared by Cop and got over-excited and misunderstood because of that?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 12:27 GMT
#2328
Yeah, I said it was "scum-favoring", not necessarily scum-motivated Obviously there's a scum motivation too. It's just not absolutely the only motivation.

It's true that Onegu seemed only excited/interested when it's about confirming himself
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 12:47 GMT
#2330
On March 22 2017 21:33 AMG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 21:23 Calix wrote:
AMG defending Eden so much isn't necessarily scum-indicative but the fact that he's yet to do any real scum-hunting in the 40-odd hours he's been in the game is concerning.


Ill be straight up with you. I refuse to post cases that I don't believe in. So id rather sit here, with no fucking scum reads, and cop all the flak that comes with that, then post something just to get you lot off my case. That's not how I roll.


Well, you don't need to be 100% sure someone is scum to point out why they might be scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 13:02 GMT
#2332
DF kind of screwed over Eden there if they're both scum though. I think I was a decently realistic option without DF's actions, but he was a somewhat crucial swing vote/voice in my favor. Not impossibly a bus, but kind of a YOLO play if it was.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 13:14 GMT
#2335
On March 22 2017 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If there is one thing i am good at at this game it's that when there is flipped mafia i can tell who is NOT mafia with them. I am almost never wrong on those reads even when everyone else and their mother reads those people scum.

disformation is not mafia with Eden.


I think I've fooled you sometimes though :p I really like distancing schemes as scum.

(Could be remembering wrong)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 13:16 GMT
#2336
At least there was that game where I double-bussed with my scummate and you were SK. You then shot my surviving teammate thinking he was blue or something :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 13:21 GMT
#2341
On March 22 2017 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 22:16 Xatalos wrote:
At least there was that game where I double-bussed with my scummate and you were SK. You then shot my surviving teammate thinking he was blue or something :D

Yeah i don't do well figuring out all mafia in scumteams that play horribly.


It wasn't that bad. If you didn't kill him and shot an actual blue instead, we'd have been around LYLO with 1 scum, 1 SK and a couple of town. And the scum would have had great credibility.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 13:29 GMT
#2346
On March 22 2017 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 22 2017 22:16 Xatalos wrote:
At least there was that game where I double-bussed with my scummate and you were SK. You then shot my surviving teammate thinking he was blue or something :D

Yeah i don't do well figuring out all mafia in scumteams that play horribly.

That game was super funny though. I had all mafia but one figured out on D1 and tried my best to lynch townies but the town was so terrible i needed to actually help them a little (well it kinda escalated in me giving them 3 mafia and shooting the 4th one because i thought they were a cop).

And i had the perfect SK victory there just to be ruined by a bastard host who decided for no reason to end the day phase early WHEN THERE IS CLAIM WARS GOING ON and all i had to do was to find the cop until the end of next night...


Fun game indeed But you can't say the double bus was a terrible play when it fooled you well and would have won us the game if you hit Cop haha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 13:32 GMT
#2349
On March 22 2017 22:24 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 22:02 Xatalos wrote:
DF kind of screwed over Eden there if they're both scum though. I think I was a decently realistic option without DF's actions, but he was a somewhat crucial swing vote/voice in my favor. Not impossibly a bus, but kind of a YOLO play if it was.

good point.
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 21:14 Calix wrote:
Hello, allow me to ignore everything that's being discussed right now to say that if Oh-ne-gu is mafia, he's probably Godfather for his poorly-substantiated "Xatalos is the Cop who green-checked me" theory.

Someone point out if there are any holes in this theory of mine.

good point 2.

back on a pc.
i kinda want to rant about how tw's solo off wagon vote triggers me.
like regardless of who he was voting for, he kinda dodged all responsibility and/or cred by voting in nowhere land. no interest in the lynch mayhaps? makes no sense if he is mafia with eden. makes no sense if he really thinks eden hasnt got a very high chance of flipping town. willing to "sheep" koshis filter on me, but when koshi makes good points on xata, tw is like "good points im still voting disfo".

i even call him out on it and he doesnt care:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 03:54 Tumblewood wrote:
On March 22 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
On March 22 2017 03:43 Tumblewood wrote:
On March 22 2017 03:41 disformation wrote:
like where the hell is eden?
though i have to admit this line of thinking didnt work very well on mal -.-

ah yes, the old "bring up a point and then discard it"
(eden would show up as either alignment)

aight. either try and get me lynched if you think i am scum or do something else productive.
wasting your vote and/or random shade throwing on me wont help you progress the game.

I see your point but I'm gonna ignore it


did he want to avoid to be on the same wagon as a scum partner?

like idk. it is a fine line between town for tone and too scummy to be scum he is walking. -.-
can anyone explain it to me, or at least tell me where he gets the stuff he is smoking?


Probably weed.

+ Show Spoiler +
Or he's just generally confused.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
March 22 2017 13:33 GMT
#2350
On March 22 2017 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 22:29 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 22 2017 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 22 2017 22:16 Xatalos wrote:
At least there was that game where I double-bussed with my scummate and you were SK. You then shot my surviving teammate thinking he was blue or something :D

Yeah i don't do well figuring out all mafia in scumteams that play horribly.

That game was super funny though. I had all mafia but one figured out on D1 and tried my best to lynch townies but the town was so terrible i needed to actually help them a little (well it kinda escalated in me giving them 3 mafia and shooting the 4th one because i thought they were a cop).

And i had the perfect SK victory there just to be ruined by a bastard host who decided for no reason to end the day phase early WHEN THERE IS CLAIM WARS GOING ON and all i had to do was to find the cop until the end of next night...


Fun game indeed But you can't say the double bus was a terrible play when it fooled you well and would have won us the game if you hit Cop haha

I am not sure how you would have won since i had night immunity, there was still 1 lynch + night, and your team had no idea who is SK. I always win if i don't get lynched because you can't even shoot me.

And your bussing gave away 3/4 of your team (to me - obviously if you think about town then it was not bad play).


Well I think you would have been lunched before him though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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