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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 15:19 GMT
#362
on page 15 but I don't like how disformation is scum reading me for one one-liner early game when I realized I was wrong about something.

also the fact that I am somewhat suspicious of calix, disformation brings up kinda the same points on her, then scum reads both of us. just weird progression overall.

I agree with those who said Tumblewood's entrance was scummy. His initial reasoning for any reads seemed pretty bleh
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 15:36 GMT
#371
The only part of rayn's post that I like is the Malongo read. I feel like his play so far has been forced

On March 17 2017 12:27 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 10:57 darthfoley wrote:
On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote:
On March 17 2017 10:06 darthfoley wrote:
Oh! Also don't like Malongo

I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.

My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.

So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.

##ryanpelikoneet

Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.


Why do you think we're on the same team

i.e. why are you town reading me?

Just a first impression. Mostly because your position about null reading ryan and because you are calling me out. Don´t expect me to post substance anyways. My goal today is not to lynch Damdred/disformation.


The bolded I can actually understand from a town POV. The problem is that he hasn't done anything that amounts to scum hunting to really try to start another wagon. Yea sure, he voted on rayn but not for actual scum hunting reasons:

On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 10:06 darthfoley wrote:
Oh! Also don't like Malongo

I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.

My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.

So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.

##ryanpelikoneet

Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.


This reasoning is just so bad to me, plus the fact that he doesn't actually try to push the wagon at all, or ask rayn/anyone else questions. He's not actually interacting with anyone
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 15:43 GMT
#377
As for Damdred/disformation: atm I think there are better lynch options. I feel like i've played 3 games in which disformation doesn't really have a good day 1 as town, but makes up for it as the game moves on.

I'm still quite nervous about Calix's and Damdred's interactions so far. Something just feels off, but I don't have a gotcha! quote to explain it.

These posts also blow

On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote:
ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win


On March 18 2017 00:14 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote:
ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win

This isn't a good argument. If disformation is scum regardless of how widely townread Calix is he has to go into the argument with him because Calix is calling him mafia. Why wouldn't disformation go into argument with Calix if Calix is mafia and he is town? That would mean that Calix' argument is bs so NOT going into an argument with him makes no sense.

this is based off of the assumption that calix is town (duh, anyone so anal is probably town). also scum can totally ignore the accusation. it wasn't exactly threatening and the omgus defense is mostly a last resort.
seeing two people go at it without interacting with the rest of the thread is a tell I will always call


1. Of course scum!disformation would go into an argument with one of the primary people scum reading him. What is he supposed to do? Ignore it and try to indirectly buddy her? This is such a crap reason to town read a veteran player.

2. I get so fucking triggered anytime one of you fuckers uses anal/cursing/emotion to town read someone. It's literally the easiest thing to do over forum mafia. ASK LIGHTNINGSTRIKE THEN ASK ME AND RELS IF IT IS A TOWN TELL
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 15:44 GMT
#380
+ Show Spoiler +
my contextual use of the word anal in my previous post leaves a lot to be desired
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 15:51 GMT
#386
On March 18 2017 00:47 Xatalos wrote:
Well, foley needs more looking


go right ahead and look!
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 15:52 GMT
#388
inb4 rels posts 4 hours before the deadline
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 15:53 GMT
#393
##vote Malongo btw
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 15:54 GMT
#396
On March 18 2017 00:53 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 00:52 darthfoley wrote:
inb4 rels posts 4 hours before the deadline

Make it 1 hour.

And inb4 he is the leading wagon 20 mins before deadline.


yea that's more accurate lol
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 15:56 GMT
#399
On March 18 2017 00:54 Tumblewood wrote:
you can poke holes in my TvT argument but I know I'm right, I've never missed a read like this. and if you are baffled by how else disfo could respond to an accusation, look at what I've done all game


can you summarize your thoughts on the game atm: lynch trains/reads/no lynch circle for you, etc?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 15:57 GMT
#402
Also throwing out a plea for Eden to come do something
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 16:07 GMT
#417
On March 18 2017 01:05 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 00:51 darthfoley wrote:
On March 18 2017 00:47 Xatalos wrote:
Well, foley needs more looking


go right ahead and look!


Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 00:47 Xatalos wrote:
On March 18 2017 00:44 darthfoley wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
my contextual use of the word anal in my previous post leaves a lot to be desired


>.>



How can I help you?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 16:20 GMT
#426
On March 18 2017 01:17 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 18 2017 01:10 Xatalos wrote:
On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.


I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something.

Is this true disformation?
Can you give your view of the things and how they went in your opinion?

huh? isnt that exactly what i posted earlier?
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 20:52 disformation wrote:
Okay last attempt to explain that xata thing.
I'll try to make it as clear as possible:
1. I read this post:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote:
Hello my sexy people.

I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.

As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.

As for right now xata is scum.

##vote xatalos

And ask myself:
"Why is damdy scumreading Xata, did I miss something?"
2. I read Xatas posts
"uh nothing?"
3. I read Xatas posts
"uh still nothing?"
4. I read Xatas posts and go like "okay there has to be something?"
Only possibility for that is that something in Xatas reaction to the setup stuff is fishy. But I am like "this is super bleh, lets see what damdred tells Calix as she asked him this:"
On March 17 2017 07:16 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote:
Hello my sexy people.

I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.

As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.

As for right now xata is scum.

##vote xatalos


Nice to see you too

What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet

5. damdy replies:
On March 17 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote:
And we are at a junction where it is me or xata, it's obvious he's scum look at him using smiley face

6. i am like:
"wow thats even worse than what I got".
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote:
Was expecting something better tbh.
Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"

Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote.
7. everyone blows up in my face
8. I think about whether damdy could be scum for his vote.
9. damdy posts:
On March 17 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:27 Xatalos wrote:
I'm not really following the conversation here.



I think dinformation is taking out votes seriously even though there is a voting thread.

10. I go *facepalm*
11. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did

12. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did


like am I missing something or am I too braindead to understand the real question?


Yo dis, can you post your current thoughts on the game so far. Maybe outside the Xata thing, which is so stale at this point. How it's going, how people are playing it, etc. Doesn't have to be a list post, but you can. Or quote me a similar post I may have missed earlier
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 16:50 GMT
#459
I really think yall should move on to other events for the sake of everyone in this game lol.

like 80% of Xata's filter is not understanding this Disformation thing which makes me not a fan
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 17:38 GMT
#485
yea i have rayne as solid town atm. Really like where he's looking and how he's doing it
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 19:23 GMT
#543
I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 19:50 GMT
#547
ATM I feel like DeepBlue is kinda playing like TimeTraveler from that other game, disformation
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 20:01 GMT
#551
On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote:
I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden

I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.

Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi.
Top scum is Calix.

Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.

I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote:
Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.

1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read
2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads
3) "look how much work i already did"

if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place


I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.

That's about all I got that I think matters right now.


Cool. I think you're town
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 20:13 GMT
#559
On March 18 2017 05:02 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 05:01 darthfoley wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote:
I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden

I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.

Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi.
Top scum is Calix.

Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.

I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote:
Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.

1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read
2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads
3) "look how much work i already did"

if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place


I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.

That's about all I got that I think matters right now.


Cool. I think you're town

Hell yeah. You're gonna vote Calix with me then right?


I find it definitely a possibility atm. I haven't never understood why she was hard TR so early. Especially from someone like Tumblewood, I found it a bit odd.

I'm comfortable with Malongo at the moment, but there is plenty of time for me to reevaluate it. I don't think he's a slam dunk like rayn seems to, but until he steps up his game and provides more i'm gucci.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 20:54 GMT
#572
On March 18 2017 05:15 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 05:10 Calix wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote:
I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden

I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.

Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi.
Top scum is Calix.

Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.

I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote:
Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.

1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read
2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads
3) "look how much work i already did"

if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place


I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.

That's about all I got that I think matters right now.


If you're already using pre-flip associations and getting tunnel vision re: me before anyone has even flipped then your reads are going to be so off it's not even funny.

What do you actually think of Malongo himself? Why exactly he is null to you?

Why wouldn't he be null? This is a weird concept, since people are null by default, but here goes.

He's null because he hasn't done anything relevant or important yet. He said something interesting about not liking the speed at which Damdred and disformation wagons grew. I like these kinds of observations, all else equal, but he didn't do anything with it and his vote on ray had no serious motivation behind it.

So the sum of his actions is... nothing. He made a potentially interesting observation and did nothing to make it actually interesting. He voted for some guy for no particular reason. It's a bunch of air. Null.


This is the main reason I voted on him. The first half of this is actually rather townie, but the failure to act on it and try to actively drive a wagon elsewhere is what makes me feel like he might be mafia either trying to save a partner or white-knighting after the lynch of a T
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
March 17 2017 21:02 GMT
#577
On March 18 2017 05:49 Calix wrote:
DF also a possible mafia candidate. Mainly his pg 2 filter since there are a lot of criticisms of players but I'm not sure what his scum-reads are exactly. And a lot of one-liners and random questions which blend in with the rest of the chat.

I actually thought I was a scum-read but DF's latest post just has me as a "possibility"

He's critical of Xatalos, TW, Malongo (his current vote), disformation (does say that he thinks disfo's D1s suck tbh). Also thinks there's some weird shit between Damdred/ Calix...although since he thinks I'm scummy, I don't understand why his first thought wasn't TvW or something.

tl;dr: Possible middle-of-the-road scummer here who throws out suspicious without following it up in any meaningful way.


Nah i still have you in my scum pile, but I believe Malongo is a better lynch than you currently. My use of the word possibility was simply referencing lynch orders.

I'm critical of Xatalos because I felt like he labored on and on about the same hashed up shit from early D1. I don't recall him really driving conversation or inquisiting people after that.

I think disformation often says he doesn't have the best D1 play. I would agree with him this game, but playing poorly has never equaled mafia so no, I never really scum read him. He's in the town side of null category.

I've explained my suspicions rather succinctly in my opinion, and what I think of players in the game. My overall list goes something like this:

Town
Eden
rayn
Koshi
disformation
Xata
DeepBlue
Onegu
Rels
Calix
Damdred
Malongo
Mafia

Something like that
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