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On March 21 2017 23:35 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 21 2017 23:05 AMG wrote:
Im surprised you even felt the need to claim.
Rayn of old would have just barked at the thread until making it unreadable.
Eden and yourself were going vote for vote, you hit 3 after Calix jumped on, but Eden had already accumulated 2 votes courtesy of Damdred and disinfo. Then you claimed and it all shifted to Eden.
In the world I live in, where you're both town, you made yourself untouchable, and they defaulted onto the next best option, an AFKer who'd already got a few votes. I know but i literally don't care often times anymore.  But in the last couple of years i have been lynched for like eight times, a couple of them i totally deserved, one was retarded game overall and the last five times i have only called out mafia. I quit for a couple of times already because of that (amongst other things). When the game of logical deduction doesn't include logic anymore i don't really find much fun in it, except for if i am right or not. I decided i wanna have presence for the longest amount of time since i don't usually do as well in obs/following than i do in-game. And Koshi was being a dick and switching his "lynch rayn D3" into D2 (srsly Koshi that's super fucking annoying and the only times you have lynched me i have ONLY FUCKING VOTED FOR MAFIA ALL FUCKING GAME). There's no love in that world either, trust me. I have spent a large portion of my mafia career being so right it friggen hurts and being unable to convince people of what I can see plain as day. Being right in this game is absolutely only half the battle.
Yeah but yelling to people here also made me annoyed irl so i figured i just leave it out. But plain logic doesn't work, so that made me annoyed too. Then i just stopped caring.
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Idk why they can't be scum together but i do agree. Xatalos didn't exactly buy ritoky's case.
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On March 21 2017 23:46 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 03:53 Xatalos wrote:On March 20 2017 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2017 03:43 Xatalos wrote:On March 20 2017 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2017 03:34 Xatalos wrote:
Meanwhile you call me scum for not fighting to save Malongo when you had pretty much the same attitude to him as I did... Although you had a bit stronger feelings of him being scum, you also had similarly stronger feelings of Damdred being scum than I had of you/Tumble. So in the end, you're just calling me scum for doing almost exactly the same thing as you. If you can't understand the difference between: - "I have 2 very sure scumreads and both of them are leading wagons" - "I have 3 scumreads which cannot be scum together in the first place and i don't fight against the lynch of the one i actually don't really think i scum" ..then i don't know what to say. I didn't have a confident scumread on any of you three. Malongo was a bit behind both of you, but it wasn't by much. And how couldn't he be scum with either of you? Because if i am mafia i never make cases like that on my scumbuddies. I just don't have to because noone will never understand me anyways so i am just hopping on some retarded things i don't actually believe make people mafia but other people will. Like ritoky's case on Eden is a super good example of this. "wow looks so good super duper fucking 100% townread on him" when actually there is nothing behind the case except for a touch on the surface. Tumble is never scum with me. Well Tumble is never scum, because if he was he would have been totally okay with lynching me (especailly if he was scum with Malongo). But i will stop responding now. I don't care. You're mafia.  Try to lynch me, i guarantee you are lynched next because everyone can see how you're calling 2 townies mafia and doing nothing else. After either me or Tumble flip your D1 looks ridiculous. ^^ I agree that not all 3 of you could have been scum together, but Tumble/rayn makes some sense. His vote on you could have been distancing and his hesitation just preparation to switch to Malongo if needed. In any case, I guess things will become clearer with night actions / following lynches. And no, I'm never getting lynched. I haven't been mislynched as town in years (even as VT). This post fwiw. Also I believe the back in forth with him about he knows what I know and I know he knows was him confirming it to me...
Well he is not a vigilante for sure. Why would he "confirm" you (who he doesn't exactly townread) that he is blue?
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Maybe you guys have a claim plan that went to shit? :D :D :D:D D :D:D:D:D:D :D :D:D :D :
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EBWOP:
Why would he "confirm" you (who he doesn't exactly townread) that he is blue?
*to you
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On March 21 2017 23:52 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos being blue makes no sense with how he read rayn. How he talked about an all VT set up etc... He would have focussed more on a counterclaim and not tried to get rayn lynched with "logic"
yes.
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On March 21 2017 23:53 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: Why would he "confirm" you (who he doesn't exactly townread) that he is blue? *to you he is the cop and green checked me...
lol whaat?
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wait let me read the whole thing again.
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no i am not reading the whole thing again. Koshi is right.
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On March 21 2017 23:58 Xatalos wrote:The problem with focusing purely on logical arguments is that it's not an accurate approach. Town can often be illogical as well. Maybe even more so since scum are more careful not to "slip". Let's assume you're town for a minute, rayn. Remember the Resistance game where you were town and I was scum? I was quite logical, constructive and widely townread (especially by you). You focused a lot on a couple of people like HTS who made bad arguments, even if they weren't overall really scummy (at least in my opinion). So take Damdred for example. You've claimed that he hasn't been "smart" enough and that his question at the start didn't make sense. Even if both of those were true, neither make him scum (for the record, I agree that his question didn't make much sense, but it was just something of a discussion starter, and I think he's made several "smart" observations). Now a better reason might be something like that he's been a bit detached from both lynches. Even so, he's been posting a lot and clearly thinking about the game in terms of solving it. I'm willing to forgive some detachment for that. Especially since both Malongo and Eden have been pretty lurky and unexciting targets. + Show Spoiler +I'm pushing my mental stamina not to mention a couple of new things I thought about rayn... it's not really relevant now anyway, and we'll know a lot more as time passed.
Your problem here is mistaking what mafia knows and what mafia doesn't know. If you know Damdred is town in this game then you also know he isn't being "unsmart" or anything i claim, jsut as you knew HTS was not "really scummy". In this game however you have presented multiple arguments for me being mafia that have absolutely nothing to do with me being mafia, in fact they make me most likely town considering my earlier games. Then you, even after conceding i can be town, follow up with trashing on everything i say without even trying to interact with me. Yeah, you haven't done that earlier as mafia. But it doesn't make any sense and i don't see any fucking reason why you would do that as town. You got townread for it, i didn't. Maybe you just rolled with it, who the fuck knows. I don't, but i also don't know why you would EVER do that as town.
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On March 22 2017 00:10 Calix wrote:Another day, another shit-fight between rayn and Xatalos. Good to see I haven't missed anything 
Why did you think i am mafia for his fucking shit-tier case?
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This is a shit-tier case at it's finest:
On March 21 2017 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 06:21 Xatalos wrote:
Notable also that rayn's suspect list stayed the through the whole D1 (me/Damdred/Malongo). Even now it's mostly the same, after Malongo flipped town. SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THIS BULLSHIT!!?!?!?!?
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And i am not even going to tell why that is a shit-tier case because if that's not clear for everyone then they should not be playing this game ever anymore. So now, Calix, why the fuck were you scumreading me for that bullshit?
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Okay then why did you scumread me, because i was one of your top townreads before that post and after that suddenly i was mafia in your filter? So if it's not that then what it is?
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On March 22 2017 00:14 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 21 2017 23:58 Xatalos wrote:The problem with focusing purely on logical arguments is that it's not an accurate approach. Town can often be illogical as well. Maybe even more so since scum are more careful not to "slip". Let's assume you're town for a minute, rayn. Remember the Resistance game where you were town and I was scum? I was quite logical, constructive and widely townread (especially by you). You focused a lot on a couple of people like HTS who made bad arguments, even if they weren't overall really scummy (at least in my opinion). So take Damdred for example. You've claimed that he hasn't been "smart" enough and that his question at the start didn't make sense. Even if both of those were true, neither make him scum (for the record, I agree that his question didn't make much sense, but it was just something of a discussion starter, and I think he's made several "smart" observations). Now a better reason might be something like that he's been a bit detached from both lynches. Even so, he's been posting a lot and clearly thinking about the game in terms of solving it. I'm willing to forgive some detachment for that. Especially since both Malongo and Eden have been pretty lurky and unexciting targets. + Show Spoiler +I'm pushing my mental stamina not to mention a couple of new things I thought about rayn... it's not really relevant now anyway, and we'll know a lot more as time passed. Your problem here is mistaking what mafia knows and what mafia doesn't know. If you know Damdred is town in this game then you also know he isn't being "unsmart" or anything i claim, jsut as you knew HTS was not "really scummy". In this game however you have presented multiple arguments for me being mafia that have absolutely nothing to do with me being mafia, in fact they make me most likely town considering my earlier games. Then you, even after conceding i can be town, follow up with trashing on everything i say without even trying to interact with me. Yeah, you haven't done that earlier as mafia. But it doesn't make any sense and i don't see any fucking reason why you would do that as town. You got townread for it, i didn't. Maybe you just rolled with it, who the fuck knows. I don't, but i also don't know why you would EVER do that as town. Even if you're not a good lynch, it doesn't mean your words are holy. Maybe I've become overly paranoid of you after being burned many times... but it's also a sign of respect, in a way, that I believe you could still be scum in this situation. There aren't many people I would believe could be (maybe HF?). That also leads to the result that I take everything you say with a grain of salt. That's doubly so when I'm your top scum and your reads completely contradict mine. It's not easy to reach a mutual understanding from there. So I'd rather ignore you to some extent and listen more closely to what clearer probable townies say. No hard feelings.
You just made a post that said "i am bad at mafia if i am town this game".
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CALIX:
On March 22 2017 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay then why did you scumread me, because i was one of your top townreads before that post and after that suddenly i was mafia in your filter? So if it's not that then what it is?
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Damdred if you're not mafia then there is a real fucking chance Calix is mafia. She's buying shit.
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On March 22 2017 00:18 Xatalos wrote:
That's not even a case, just a side-note. Besides you probably misunderstood it (on purpose or not). I just meant that your reads were a bit too unnaturally static until then, never even reconsidering with new info, just repeating old points.
It doesnt matter what it is, it matter Calix' filter says she scumread me for it so why don't you scumread her then for a shit read?
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Adam is never mafia in this game so there is that.
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On March 22 2017 00:22 Calix wrote:
You're being incredibly annoying here. I never said I scum-read you for that post, rayn. I literally said "Xatalos made a good point" which isn't synonymous. Fucking hell.
Yet after that post you quoted and answered with a "good point" response you started calling me mafia. So why did you start calling me mafia if it's not that post?
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