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On March 22 2017 04:40 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 04:39 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:37 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 04:32 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:30 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 03:23 Calix wrote:
roflmao
Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays?
Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy.
#WIFOM On March 20 2017 18:11 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 18:08 disformation wrote:On March 20 2017 18:01 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 17:56 disformation wrote:On March 20 2017 17:47 Calix wrote:
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LOL, YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL US WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED.
And you have what, 8? 9? pages of filter at this point. Holy shit, do I need to summarise it for you? Because it won't be pretty, mate.
Ooh, NAI. That's kinda my point. You have not done anything 'townie' this game, just things which don't 'look' scummy on the surface. But under that, there's nothing. You're so forgettable that it's not even funny. lol what the fuck do you expect me to say? I tried to figure out ppl alignments and talk to ppl in thread? and then get "lol your posts are boring" or ppl who didnt even read them? or that i had to spend a fuckton of time d1 explaining a throwaway post i made early on? I'd expect you to at least know what impact you've had on the game or what original contributions you've made and if you can't do that then you're mafia and can die. And yes, your posts are shamefully dull. It's my tried and tested heuristic. Townies are interesting and proactive. Mafia are bland and passive. You are the textbook example of the second. It's like HTS in Dark Tournament (if we're going to cross-reference players  ) You didn't 'have to' spend a load of time talking about it. You made that choice...at the expense of anything else  Nice deflecting of responsibility for your own actions when you could have just told Xatalos and co to fuck right off and then blow them away with ACTUAL scum-hunting. Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament. and thats not how i work @ xata. in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work. Oh give me a break with your meta references. I don't give a shit about meta analysis when your play this game is exactly what mafia in this situation would do. Telling me "oh it's my town meta" instead of actually showing me that you're town via your actions is incredibly mafia, actually. Your point? And if you say "you contradicted yourself" then I'm going to laugh. was more like a touché kind of thing lol wtf So you just thought leaving two quotes with no explanation and letting people read what they want into it was fine and dandy? And you conveniently do this when rayn has tunnel-visioned me, thus giving him ammunition to keep tunneling me for shitty reasons? Yeah no, I don't buy that. i dont care if you buy anything or not. i do what i want to.
My point about you trying to fuel the flames of rayn's tunneling still applies, 'defiance' or not. You were quite clearly intending those quotes to portray me in a scummy light.
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On March 22 2017 04:41 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 04:40 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 04:39 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:37 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 04:32 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:30 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 03:23 Calix wrote:
roflmao
Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays?
Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy.
#WIFOM On March 20 2017 18:11 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 18:08 disformation wrote:On March 20 2017 18:01 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 17:56 disformation wrote:
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lol what the fuck do you expect me to say?
I tried to figure out ppl alignments and talk to ppl in thread?
and then get "lol your posts are boring" or ppl who didnt even read them?
or that i had to spend a fuckton of time d1 explaining a throwaway post i made early on? I'd expect you to at least know what impact you've had on the game or what original contributions you've made and if you can't do that then you're mafia and can die. And yes, your posts are shamefully dull. It's my tried and tested heuristic. Townies are interesting and proactive. Mafia are bland and passive. You are the textbook example of the second. It's like HTS in Dark Tournament (if we're going to cross-reference players ) You didn't 'have to' spend a load of time talking about it. You made that choice...at the expense of anything else Nice deflecting of responsibility for your own actions when you could have just told Xatalos and co to fuck right off and then blow them away with ACTUAL scum-hunting. Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament. and thats not how i work @ xata. in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work. Oh give me a break with your meta references. I don't give a shit about meta analysis when your play this game is exactly what mafia in this situation would do. Telling me "oh it's my town meta" instead of actually showing me that you're town via your actions is incredibly mafia, actually. Your point? And if you say "you contradicted yourself" then I'm going to laugh. was more like a touché kind of thing lol wtf So you just thought leaving two quotes with no explanation and letting people read what they want into it was fine and dandy? And you conveniently do this when rayn has tunnel-visioned me, thus giving him ammunition to keep tunneling me for shitty reasons? Yeah no, I don't buy that. i dont care if you buy anything or not. i do what i want to. My point about you trying to fuel the flames of rayn's tunneling still applies, 'defiance' or not. You were quite clearly intending those quotes to portray me in a scummy light.
why do i have the feeling it wont matter what i say to this?
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On March 22 2017 04:40 disformation wrote:
i have to admit i am a bit confused atm.
xatas whole claim stuff confuses me.
that calix "scumread" on rayn situation confuses me.
I'm probably just as confused. I hope Onegu will tell his story sooner or later.
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On March 22 2017 04:43 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 04:41 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:40 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 04:39 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:37 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 04:32 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:30 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 03:23 Calix wrote:
roflmao
Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays?
Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy.
#WIFOM On March 20 2017 18:11 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 18:08 disformation wrote:On March 20 2017 18:01 Calix wrote:[quote] I'd expect you to at least know what impact you've had on the game or what original contributions you've made and if you can't do that then you're mafia and can die. And yes, your posts are shamefully dull. It's my tried and tested heuristic. Townies are interesting and proactive. Mafia are bland and passive. You are the textbook example of the second. It's like HTS in Dark Tournament (if we're going to cross-reference players ) You didn't 'have to' spend a load of time talking about it. You made that choice...at the expense of anything else Nice deflecting of responsibility for your own actions when you could have just told Xatalos and co to fuck right off and then blow them away with ACTUAL scum-hunting. Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament. and thats not how i work @ xata. in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work. Oh give me a break with your meta references. I don't give a shit about meta analysis when your play this game is exactly what mafia in this situation would do. Telling me "oh it's my town meta" instead of actually showing me that you're town via your actions is incredibly mafia, actually. Your point? And if you say "you contradicted yourself" then I'm going to laugh. was more like a touché kind of thing lol wtf So you just thought leaving two quotes with no explanation and letting people read what they want into it was fine and dandy? And you conveniently do this when rayn has tunnel-visioned me, thus giving him ammunition to keep tunneling me for shitty reasons? Yeah no, I don't buy that. i dont care if you buy anything or not. i do what i want to. My point about you trying to fuel the flames of rayn's tunneling still applies, 'defiance' or not. You were quite clearly intending those quotes to portray me in a scummy light. why do i have the feeling it wont matter what i say to this?
Why do I have the feeling that you're bullshitting right now? Like, you're trying to tell me that you literally just popped in the thread JUST to tell everyone that I contradicted myself? As if that actually means anything. Especially when you said earlier that my use of meta was suspicious because I said I don't like using meta.
So yeah, I think you're lying
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Okay, not the most eloquent post.
What I want to say is...
You said earlier that my use of meta was suspicious because I dislike meta.
You then post two quotes of me contradicting myself about meta.
You are now trying to say that you WEREN'T intending that as a scum point against me.
???
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On March 22 2017 04:45 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 04:43 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 04:41 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:40 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 04:39 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:37 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 04:32 Calix wrote:On March 22 2017 04:30 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 03:23 Calix wrote:
roflmao
Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays?
Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy.
#WIFOM On March 20 2017 18:11 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 18:08 disformation wrote:
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Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament.
and thats not how i work @ xata.
in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work. Oh give me a break with your meta references. I don't give a shit about meta analysis when your play this game is exactly what mafia in this situation would do. Telling me "oh it's my town meta" instead of actually showing me that you're town via your actions is incredibly mafia, actually. Your point? And if you say "you contradicted yourself" then I'm going to laugh. was more like a touché kind of thing lol wtf So you just thought leaving two quotes with no explanation and letting people read what they want into it was fine and dandy? And you conveniently do this when rayn has tunnel-visioned me, thus giving him ammunition to keep tunneling me for shitty reasons? Yeah no, I don't buy that. i dont care if you buy anything or not. i do what i want to. My point about you trying to fuel the flames of rayn's tunneling still applies, 'defiance' or not. You were quite clearly intending those quotes to portray me in a scummy light. why do i have the feeling it wont matter what i say to this? Why do I have the feeling that you're bullshitting right now? Like, you're trying to tell me that you literally just popped in the thread JUST to tell everyone that I contradicted myself? As if that actually means anything. Especially when you said earlier that my use of meta was suspicious because I said I don't like using meta. So yeah, I think you're lying
what do you mean popping up in the thread, im obv here nonstop since like 1h30 trying to figure this mess out?
i dont understand what you mean with: " Especially when you said earlier that my use of meta was suspicious because I said I don't like using meta."
i also dont understand what I am apparently lying about?
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On March 22 2017 04:46 Calix wrote:
Okay, not the most eloquent post.
What I want to say is...
You said earlier that my use of meta was suspicious because I dislike meta.
You then post two quotes of me contradicting myself about meta.
You are now trying to say that you WEREN'T intending that as a scum point against me.
???
does my post say "lol scum"?
sry i didnt post a at the end
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It matters that xatalos is mafia rn..
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On March 22 2017 04:48 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 04:46 Calix wrote:
Okay, not the most eloquent post.
What I want to say is...
You said earlier that my use of meta was suspicious because I dislike meta.
You then post two quotes of me contradicting myself about meta.
You are now trying to say that you WEREN'T intending that as a scum point against me.
??? does my post say "lol scum"? sry i didnt post a at the end
See my earlier point about stirring the pot, you sarcastic fuck you.
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Is there a point to this? lol
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I've made my point. Does it not make sense? O.o
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On March 22 2017 04:51 Xatalos wrote:
Is there a point to this? lol
dunno.
aight lets do something else:
can you explain why xata is town without meta?
also:
On March 22 2017 01:07 Calix wrote:
[...]So yes, I see your thought process and it is decent as a case. And I will try to filter Xatalos with this in mind. I still think he's town for meta. But maybe I am giving him too much slack by doing that. So I will try to ignore that. I am trying to fix my computer so if I succeed then I will read his filter then.
Did you go filter him yet? (i know his fucking filter is yuge, but like skim it)
do you think my points on eden -> xata are better than koshis xata -> eden?
as in:
On March 22 2017 03:35 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 00:16 Koshi wrote:On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. Shows guilt On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote:
Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth. On March 19 2017 00:55 Xatalos wrote:
Eden seemed kind of OK? At least his Calix case actually made me reconsider Calix - no matter if it's right or wrong, at least he seems to do things and not just lurk by. So much bad in this sentence. 1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason. 2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong. 3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn. On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you? did you check eden's filter for eden on xatalos. it was also in my stuff on xata. if eden is scum eden might have town spewed xata. i agree that that the interactions from xatas side didnt look good though. (bolded by the author) Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote:
I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting. Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix. Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame. I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well: On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote:
Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come. 1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did" if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway. That's about all I got that I think matters right now.
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I guess you're trying to say that disfo's contradiction thingy was meant to push rayn against you?
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Hmmm... Not very persuasive to say the least
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On March 22 2017 04:54 disformation wrote:dunno. aight lets do something else: can you explain why xata is town without meta? also: Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:07 Calix wrote:
[...]So yes, I see your thought process and it is decent as a case. And I will try to filter Xatalos with this in mind. I still think he's town for meta. But maybe I am giving him too much slack by doing that. So I will try to ignore that. I am trying to fix my computer so if I succeed then I will read his filter then. Did you go filter him yet? (i know his fucking filter is yuge, but like skim it) do you think my points on eden -> xata are better than koshis xata -> eden? as in: Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 03:35 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 00:16 Koshi wrote:On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. Shows guilt On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote:
Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth. On March 19 2017 00:55 Xatalos wrote:
Eden seemed kind of OK? At least his Calix case actually made me reconsider Calix - no matter if it's right or wrong, at least he seems to do things and not just lurk by. So much bad in this sentence. 1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason. 2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong. 3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn. On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you? did you check eden's filter for eden on xatalos. it was also in my stuff on xata. if eden is scum eden might have town spewed xata. i agree that that the interactions from xatas side didnt look good though. (bolded by the author) On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote:
I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting. Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix. Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame. I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well: On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote:
Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come. 1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did" if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway. That's about all I got that I think matters right now.
Yes, I've already explained on multiple occasions why Xatalos is town WITHOUT using meta. If you want me to quote then I can but I really cannot be fucked. And you could probably find them when you look at me  I've only really used meta as of late since he is, you know, a wagon and shit and having previous experience with him as a scum team mate is relevant.
And no, I didn't filter him in the end because when I caught up with the thread, I figured his reaction was townie and didn't see the point.
I don't know what points you refer to. Do you mean 'Eden spewed Xat town' thing? If so, the answer is no.
It's a bit weird because the points against Xatalos make sense...but I don't think he's mafia anyway. I don't know how to describe it. 'Gut feeling' or maybe meta is influencing me more than I think it is or whatever, idk.
(also I don't like the sudden push away from Eden and onto Xatalos, as DF noted)
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On March 22 2017 05:02 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 04:54 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 04:51 Xatalos wrote:
Is there a point to this? lol dunno. aight lets do something else: can you explain why xata is town without meta? also: On March 22 2017 01:07 Calix wrote:
[...]So yes, I see your thought process and it is decent as a case. And I will try to filter Xatalos with this in mind. I still think he's town for meta. But maybe I am giving him too much slack by doing that. So I will try to ignore that. I am trying to fix my computer so if I succeed then I will read his filter then. Did you go filter him yet? (i know his fucking filter is yuge, but like skim it) do you think my points on eden -> xata are better than koshis xata -> eden? as in: On March 22 2017 03:35 disformation wrote:On March 22 2017 00:16 Koshi wrote:On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. Shows guilt On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote:
Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth. On March 19 2017 00:55 Xatalos wrote:
Eden seemed kind of OK? At least his Calix case actually made me reconsider Calix - no matter if it's right or wrong, at least he seems to do things and not just lurk by. So much bad in this sentence. 1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason. 2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong. 3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn. On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you? did you check eden's filter for eden on xatalos. it was also in my stuff on xata. if eden is scum eden might have town spewed xata. i agree that that the interactions from xatas side didnt look good though. (bolded by the author) On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote:
I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting. Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix. Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame. I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well: On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote:
Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come. 1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did" if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway. That's about all I got that I think matters right now. Yes, I've already explained on multiple occasions why Xatalos is town WITHOUT using meta. If you want me to quote then I can but I really cannot be fucked. And you could probably find them when you look at me I've only really used meta as of late since he is, you know, a wagon and shit and having previous experience with him as a scum team mate is relevant. And no, I didn't filter him in the end because when I caught up with the thread, I figured his reaction was townie and didn't see the point. I don't know what points you refer to. Do you mean 'Eden spewed Xat town' thing? If so, the answer is no. It's a bit weird because the points against Xatalos make sense...but I don't think he's mafia anyway. I don't know how to describe it. 'Gut feeling' or maybe meta is influencing me more than I think it is or whatever, idk. (also I don't like the sudden push away from Eden and onto Xatalos, as DF noted)
ah. was only looking at the later part of your filter. lemme go back.
and yes that why I am having a bit of a problem atm. a bunch of point against xata are very good, but I am not sure why ppl want to lynch him over eden.
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which i would also like to have koshi and/or agm here.
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actually screw looking at your filter. i should skim xatas again.
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wagon plz, easy scumlynch.
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