Did you miss where I said that you're more likely town than several others in the game? It's not like I'd shoot YOU if I had a gun. Just considering the chances of you being scum.

If you're a vigilante you better claim now because if you're not i will call you mafia for the rest of the game regardless of what happens.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

March 20 2017 13:57 GMT

#1464

On March 20 2017 22:50 Calix wrote:

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Not the best person to ask since I don't like NKA that much and I'm not good at it but:

1. As part of some weird, TL-tier bussing strategy where you swoop in and take the cred for pushing ritoky's scum-read?

2. Framing?

I don't consider these reasons to be particularly strong since I've never seen anyone kill a player to frame someone on this site. And I don't see why you, specifically, would kill ritoky since you scum-read him, he town-read you and mafia aren't usually fans of killing their scum-reads and reducing support for them in the thread.

It doesn't necessarily 'clear' you by NKA standards alone since there are multiple mafia members left but I do not see why you would have chosen to kill ritoky.

See Xatalos, here is a very simple explanation. It took like 5 minutes for Calix to come to an absolutely correct conclusion. Then when you go further, (1) i don't bus and as you said later it doesn't make any sense because this assumes Eden dies 100% and then what... Town has 2 mislynches. Do you think i ever survive the game? "yeah sure the JK is alive for like 100 days after claiming". What a joke strategy. (2) Completely correct here: "why you, specifically, would kill ritoky since you scum-read him, he town-read you and mafia aren't usually fans of killing their scum-reads and reducing support for them in the thread". YEAH WHY WOULD I? Furthermore from the vets, ritoky and Damdred townread me, Xatalos and Koshi scumread me. If i am mafia this is always an all vanilla setup. Why do i kill hte fucking dude who defends me EVEN if i call him scum? :D :D :D Yes, wow, very much sense make!!

Somehow it took like 10 hours (and half the game telling) Xatalos this is actually a VERY BIG possibility of being the case here. The dude is set on a conclusion and only tries to find evidence to support his conclusion, not looking at the evidence and what it actually means.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

March 20 2017 14:00 GMT

#1465

There is always 0% possibility of me being mafia with Eden because i always lose the game if that's the case.
And if i am not mafia there is always 0% possibility i shoot ritoky because i DON'T HAVE TO, it's a retarded shot if i am mafia and Eden is town.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

March 20 2017 14:09 GMT

#1472

Bulletpoints why Xatalos is mafia:

The whole claim thing as just explained
Very very terrible reasoned read on Tumblewood (aka easy lynch)
Not pushing me over Malongo (when he said himself he thought we are BOTH (with Tumble) more likely to be mafia than Malongo is) -- And no, sitting on his scumread for 47h 45mins and then making a half-arsed attempt is not "pushing a lynch on rayn" while i can perfectly underrstand why he tries it there -- i will never have a chance to respond (i can show you examples on when town!Xatalos thinks i am mafia, how he pushes the lynch if you don't believe me)
See above, how strong do you think his scumread on me was when on D2 i claim and he cannot be even arsed to think there is a possibility of me being town?
Go read his filter and see what he "pushes". He is not even wanting to lynch scum, there are no actual case, no nothing. He is just trying to find counter-wagons for everything?!?!?!? If someone is scum why do you need a counter-wagon? Why is just looking for counter-wagons?
Mrrgrlgrlgllllll !!!!!!!!!

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

March 20 2017 14:21 GMT

#1481

Especially look at this page and see the difference of pushing a lynch and "pushing a lynch":
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?user=Xatalos&page=12

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

March 20 2017 14:26 GMT

#1488

On March 20 2017 23:22 AMG wrote:

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Thankyou, Muchly.

In your reality, how likely is Damdred on his team? I really do not like Damdreds day 1 actions, specifically his voting and the 'cases' on his votes.

Ill mull over both of them being scum while I sleep. Back in 9 hours.

I am not sure. I have to reread Damdred since i have extremely mixed feelings about him. I don't see why they couldn't be scum together.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

March 20 2017 14:27 GMT

#1489

Can you elaborate further on what in his actions you don't like?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

March 20 2017 14:28 GMT

#1490

I mean like what about them you don't like.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

March 21 2017 02:58 GMT

#1612

AMG:
Why does Eden look town to you?
What is wrong in ritoky's case?
Why does mafia shoot ritoky?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

March 21 2017 03:07 GMT

#1614

I'll rephrase my first question:

On March 20 2017 21:43 AMG wrote:
I've made this post before as town. He really wanted to lynch Calix, which is stupid, but he wants what he wants. That's not on the cards from what I gather up to page 22. So he justifies where he did leave his vote in the end, Damdred, as he believes that even his second choice for the day was a better option than where the lynch ended up going. Hes saying "right well you guys fucked up by not listening to me, and now that you've gone and dun fucked up, listen to me more in the future.... and kill who i want to kill". Looks like a townie who wants to flip his scum reads to me.

How do you come to this conclusion because Eden didn't say he even thinks Damdred is mafia. He said he "doesn't see a reason why Damdred couldn't be mafia".

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

March 21 2017 03:09 GMT

#1616

Because if Eden is mafia there is nothing mafia can do about this lynch. Xatalos is smart enough to not fight it too much (while he tried at the start of the day already regardless of what he says). And all things considered Eden looks like mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

March 21 2017 03:12 GMT

#1617

If Eden wanted to lynch his scumread why didn't he argue more about why Calix is mafia and instead just put his vote on someone who he claimed to be a null read?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

March 21 2017 03:19 GMT

#1619

Let's assume you're right. Now why does ritoky (who isn't even nearly the most townread person in the game) die?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

March 21 2017 06:24 GMT

#1645

On March 21 2017 14:27 AMG wrote:
The lynch was entirely up in the air on day start, Ritoky flipped and then this wagon generated steam at lightning pace.

This is not true at all.