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Vivax
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February 16 2017 13:37 GMT
#28
/in
Vivax
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February 17 2017 13:17 GMT
#47
/confirm
Vivax
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Last Edited: 2017-02-17 16:13:37
February 17 2017 16:12 GMT
#59
Game of the year?

If BH finished his Empire analysis now, I'm preparing for the apocalypse
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 20 2017 16:20 GMT
#153
Koshi + Damdred can be town for now.
SL for some reason talks bad about himself and already seems to be on the defensive when he starts posting.
Malongo feels very generic with his posts as Koshi pointed out, I don't think we need to talk about policy with this playerlist.

These would be my early guesses, rest is still nullish.

Hiiiiii rayn
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 20 2017 16:22 GMT
#154
I'll also pretend Palmar doesn't exist for the time being. If there is a wagon on him at some point I will acknowledge his existence and talk about him.
Vivax
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February 20 2017 16:28 GMT
#157
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/512849-star-wars-rogue-1-hype-mafia?page=8

Palmar town:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2016 06:07 Rels wrote:
yo


On August 29 2016 06:25 Palmar wrote:
1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia.



Palmar here:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 20 2017 12:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
hi


On February 21 2017 00:37 Palmar wrote:
I rolled town so I don't have to do anything


I don't expect Palmar to behave exactly the same, but at least similarly to that game. Why so lazy?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 20 2017 16:36 GMT
#158
On February 21 2017 01:24 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2017 00:31 sicklucker wrote:
On February 21 2017 00:30 Malongo wrote:
On February 21 2017 00:25 sicklucker wrote:
On February 20 2017 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And we dont have 25% chance of lynching red by random. And i like my educated guess more than 25% anyways.


if I decide its more like a 50% chance. STATS

I believe you. So, if it was your power to lynch someone today who dies?


well the great thing about getting a high percentage is not randomly picking someone after I have read 10 posts and posted nothing but bullshit


Yeah i get the point. But you fail to give an answer regardless of the %. Let me help you: IF I had the power to decide today`s lynch so far I would lynch ryan. Reason? well he appeared as active recently and Damdred had a soft town read on him and everything was pretty normal until he decided that he can just dissapear and make like the convo Damdred/Koshi never happened. Whatever, he just dodged any reference (I am inclined to believe Damdred and Koshi are both town btw) and came up with a post about you. So as light as it seems i`d be lynching ryan so far.

Now you, what do you think so far? Who would you lynch?


Do you think the Koshi + Damdred has mafia in it ? Or why would rayn be mafia for treating it as all town? Didn't really look to me like he abandoned something there, he just drew a conclusion you might not agree with.
Vivax
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February 20 2017 17:51 GMT
#166
Malongo I don't understand why it makes rayn of all people scummy when he doesn't keep posting around a conversation that most people think is town on town.

What do you think a town rayn should do there, since you think he did it as mafia?
Vivax
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February 20 2017 18:06 GMT
#168
On February 21 2017 02:53 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2017 02:51 Vivax wrote:
Malongo I don't understand why it makes rayn of all people scummy when he doesn't keep posting around a conversation that most people think is town on town.

What do you think a town rayn should do there, since you think he did it as mafia?


Really?


Yes really. I want to know what a town rayn would have acted like in your opinion.
You're also starting to annoy me cause you don't get a point across at all, but pretend that you have one.
Vivax
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21965 Posts
February 20 2017 18:30 GMT
#170
I already gave you my early reads, but I don't see why I should say that I want to lynch one of them already. If at the end of the day they didn't change, then I will want to.

You are totally blowing the rayn thing out of proportion as a reaction to being pressured, in my opinion.
Vivax
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February 20 2017 19:34 GMT
#175
On February 21 2017 03:46 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2017 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I already gave you my early reads, but I don't see why I should say that I want to lynch one of them already. If at the end of the day they didn't change, then I will want to.

You are totally blowing the rayn thing out of proportion as a reaction to being pressured, in my opinion.


Except the fact that I am not blowing anything, in fact you could just answer the original question without trying to "pressure" back. Way to piss me of regardless. Next time say just say that you don`t want to answer. By the way I never wrote to lynch one of them necessarily. I made a simple hypothetical question that you seem to fail to understand.


My original intention wasn't exactly to pressure you, just to ask why what you said made rayn mafia, but given the way you reacted, I got the feeling that you felt pressured.

Is this rayn not chiming in more on Damdred + Koshi still as important as it looked like back then?
Vivax
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21965 Posts
February 20 2017 20:14 GMT
#178
What am I refusing to answer Malongo?
Vivax
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February 20 2017 20:46 GMT
#182
On February 21 2017 05:34 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2017 01:20 Vivax wrote:
Koshi + Damdred can be town for now.
SL for some reason talks bad about himself and already seems to be on the defensive when he starts posting.
Malongo feels very generic with his posts as Koshi pointed out, I don't think we need to talk about policy with this playerlist.

These would be my early guesses, rest is still nullish.

Hiiiiii rayn


I failed to find the post were Koshi talked about me being generic.


Yeh he was talking about Damdred and I mistook him talking about you.

Now tell me what I refused to answer.
Vivax
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February 20 2017 20:53 GMT
#184
On February 21 2017 05:50 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2017 05:14 Vivax wrote:
What am I refusing to answer Malongo?

IF you had the power to lynch someone who would you?

Show nested quote +
On February 21 2017 05:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
I gave as serious an answer as I deemed appropriate, given that there's hardly.anything to base a hypothetical lynch on.


Palmar MVP so far though


But you agree that we are having a lynch an the same basis anyways? Why not to try to take it serious then?

And leave Palmar alone is just a butterly.


It's a question aimed at getting scumreads, but my very first post had reads, so why do you accuse me of not answering it?
Vivax
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February 20 2017 21:03 GMT
#187
On February 21 2017 05:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
Vivax I feel like you're being intentionally obtuse toward medengo.


You are obtuse cause you don't see that he tried to misrep me saying I refused to answer something when the answer was in my filter
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
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February 20 2017 21:05 GMT
#188
Of course I wouldn't answer that I would 100 % lynch him or SL cause I don't have that level of confidence this early, but they are my guesses for mafia at the moment, and I don't see how he wouldn't see that.
Vivax
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February 20 2017 21:46 GMT
#208
On February 21 2017 06:45 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2017 05:51 Vivax wrote:
Fun game my ass.

That case could be called

CTRL-C CTRL-V spoiler spoiler spoiler spoiler; oh look he's scum, also, you're dumb.

Then he speaks of a town read on scruburbia and immediately calls it back in the next post.

Don't be fooled by this useless bs. Damdred could have posted this meta on his own.

I only see that his first post about Malongo was about him suspecting rayn, and that Palmar suddenly makes a case on him based on some meta he doesn't even care to explain.

Like this here

Full of complete bullshit guys.

Gotta lynch him


lol where is that quote from
Vivax
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February 21 2017 14:41 GMT
#231
You seem untouched by the scumreads on you SL, that's not very characteristic for your town self.
Rayn described it in his own way, and as for me, you are more passionate and confident as town. If you are town tough, calling Koshi scum doesn't help your cause as he looks pretty town to me and the accusation looks random and lazy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 21 2017 15:23 GMT
#237
When your question is aimed at gathering a scumread from someone and then you accuse them for not answering it when they already gave reads, then you are accusing them of not answering something unnecessary. That's it, it's simple and for me the matter is closed.


I don`t know about ryan. He seems to be interested in lynching sicklucker now. At this point in the day we are starting to cast the votes so there is not much point in hypothetical questions.


This by the way, is a part of your post that says very little and doesn't line up with your previous observation. It just looks like you're summarizing a bit what rayn is doing and then put out some generic statement to underline that it means nothing. It looks like filler.

On February 21 2017 01:24 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2017 00:31 sicklucker wrote:
On February 21 2017 00:30 Malongo wrote:
On February 21 2017 00:25 sicklucker wrote:
On February 20 2017 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And we dont have 25% chance of lynching red by random. And i like my educated guess more than 25% anyways.


if I decide its more like a 50% chance. STATS

I believe you. So, if it was your power to lynch someone today who dies?


well the great thing about getting a high percentage is not randomly picking someone after I have read 10 posts and posted nothing but bullshit


Yeah i get the point. But you fail to give an answer regardless of the %. Let me help you: IF I had the power to decide today`s lynch so far I would lynch ryan. Reason? well he appeared as active recently and Damdred had a soft town read on him and everything was pretty normal until he decided that he can just dissapear and make like the convo Damdred/Koshi never happened. Whatever, he just dodged any reference (I am inclined to believe Damdred and Koshi are both town btw) and came up with a post about you. So as light as it seems i`d be lynching ryan so far.

Now you, what do you think so far? Who would you lynch?

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 21 2017 15:42 GMT
#239
Rayn will you be around tonight when me and Koshi try to murder Palmar in his sleep?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 21 2017 16:04 GMT
#252
As it stands now, I'll lynch Malongo or SL.
Maybe Palmar, although my main motivation is that he must not sleep in peace tonight if he wants to live. Vivax is cruel
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 21 2017 16:36 GMT
#268
What actually happened is you shat your pants while trolling and dropped the facade.
I look forward to seeing you around at 2 AM
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 21 2017 16:57 GMT
#280
On February 22 2017 01:55 Damdred wrote:
Honestly I would rather kill BM but palmar seems to really believe what he is saying you know


You sound as if you had no reason of your own now, delegating all responsibility to Palmar after saying that I didn't look like my townie self.

Could you elaborate on the latter?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 21 2017 16:59 GMT
#282
On February 22 2017 01:56 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2017 23:41 Vivax wrote:
You seem untouched by the scumreads on you SL, that's not very characteristic for your town self.
Rayn described it in his own way, and as for me, you are more passionate and confident as town. If you are town tough, calling Koshi scum doesn't help your cause as he looks pretty town to me and the accusation looks random and lazy.


my last few games tho. im used to it


And you stand by a Koshi=scum theory?
He has improved a lot as scum but for now, I'm not seeing it in this game.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 21 2017 17:07 GMT
#290
On February 22 2017 02:05 sicklucker wrote:
ryan def town.Vivax is not obvious mafia yet never lynching day 1. palmar is my bro so i cant be against him this game but might be mafia. so i say we kill the sideliner calling all the easy people scum aka dandred. New guy is townish.


Was just about to ask who you'd lynch if not Koshi.

Damdred you know that Palmar tends to post fake reads at the beginning of the game right?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 21 2017 17:52 GMT
#299
On February 22 2017 02:28 Damdred wrote:
Liek Vivax do you really think Palmar is scum here?


Palmar always flip flips between lazy and tryhard in his games. If I judge him by his reads, he's wrong on me, and I believe wrong on rayn. But Palmar is bad, so that doesn't mean much either.

On a more serious note, he's still null. And I don't see why he shouldn't be null to anyone else.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 21 2017 18:27 GMT
#307
What bothers me about Damdred is that a townie never knows if Palmar is serious or not. And if I compare his reaction to rayn's, the clear cut difference is that rayn keeps the option open that Palmar is just being Trollmar, while Damdred takes everything he says at face value while also being aware, upong being asked, that it could just be Trollmar.

Overall I think mafia is much more likely to see the opportunity to lynch me just cuz Palmar said it, and will just jump on the train when Palmar asks for it.

In this scenario obviously, Palmar is always town. So that would be a requirement. I'm willing to go with a conditional townread on Palmar for the time being.

Koshi has me successfully pocketed. I'd expect him to be a bit more careful with his read on me. So I'm not as confident he's town any more.

What I'd like to see is a reason for Koshi abandoning his SL scumread to go after fefe here, as his switch to FF looks rather random for the time being.

I think the lynch should be between SL and Damdred atm. Maybe Malongo, but I'm going to revisit his filter first.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 21 2017 18:37 GMT
#308
On February 21 2017 09:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
So palmar shits out the most obscene accusation and nobody is around to comment is it a bad time for europe?


Regarding FF, if he's mafia it's for this cause obscene accusation is a strong choice of words for Palmar just quoting me from another game. I found it funny, FF found it super serious. The difference in reaction is what might have given away a scum FF here, but it's pretty much based on my own reaction and hence subjective.

As for Malongo, I tried seeing things from his perspective. He doesn't necessarily want to lynch D1, ok. He wants us to name someone we would lynch, ok. He picked rayn for meh reasons, ok. To me he just looks like he had a plan, but I keep not seeing the purpose or outcome of that plan. It might have made sense earlier in the game. His tone overall struck me as defensive and occasionally aggressive. But I'm going to see where he takes it from here since most of you seem to think he's town.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 21 2017 23:41 GMT
#393
I think rayn is town and if you do too, it'd be a dick move to deny him his D1 lynch when he isn't here. I'm half sheeping a player I thought lost, in this lynch.
Not just that, there are actual reasons for SL to be mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
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February 21 2017 23:42 GMT
#395
On February 22 2017 08:41 Koshi wrote:
Good night.


:/ not gonna stick around?
Vivax
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February 21 2017 23:48 GMT
#402
On February 22 2017 08:43 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 08:42 Vivax wrote:
On February 22 2017 08:41 Koshi wrote:
Good night.


:/ not gonna stick around?

I will for you. But make it fast.


SL voted for himself, I'm afraid I can't make it that fast. Maybe 10-20 minutes until I make up my mind for myself.
My thought was however that you should try to make a compromise and not just drop your vote off onto someone who is a coinflip while half the town isn't here or asleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 21 2017 23:50 GMT
#403
I'm kinda getting visions of FF and SL being mafia and tempting me into voting Damdred.while SL drops wifom bombs.
Vivax
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21965 Posts
February 21 2017 23:55 GMT
#411
On February 22 2017 08:53 sicklucker wrote:
lol i didnt mean to vote for myself


Why? Don't you want to lynch mafia?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 21 2017 23:56 GMT
#412
On February 22 2017 08:54 Koshi wrote:
The problem here is Palmar. I don't know what he is doing. But the post he made about be being a traitor to the people is something he did as mafia before.


Palmar just came from a tryhard-scum game. His game is going be a troll/lazy game no matter what.
You can discard anything he says for now.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 21 2017 23:56 GMT
#413
His next game*
Vivax
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February 22 2017 00:02 GMT
#422
FF:

On February 22 2017 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FF what are my points on Damdred?


This really needs to be answered since you claim that you are sheeping. And I am not sure what you are sheeping.

On February 22 2017 08:54 Malongo wrote:
I don`t get it SL voting himself means he doesn`t give shit or he is taunting. Vivax you are never leaving ryan`s side?


Does it mean anything to you that SL self voted after he explained it was a mistake? I don't see how you draw conclusions on his alignment from here, so I don't see how it's relevant.

As for rayn, it's his first game on here since ages and I want him to be comfy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 22 2017 00:04 GMT
#424
On February 22 2017 08:59 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 08:56 Vivax wrote:
On February 22 2017 08:54 Koshi wrote:
The problem here is Palmar. I don't know what he is doing. But the post he made about be being a traitor to the people is something he did as mafia before.


Palmar just came from a tryhard-scum game. His game is going be a troll/lazy game no matter what.
You can discard anything he says for now.

I disagree and I find your read stupid.

It is Palmar. If he is town he is going to do something. Even if he trolls. At some point he will do something meaningful. He isn't. He is actively sowing distrust between a lot of people in this thread and you are ignoring him.

That is extremely bad play Vivax.


Palmar has an extremely high % to be mafia. If you want. I can swap to him.



Look at him. Distrust by putting 2 town leaders as mafia. Distrust that I am an "enemy of the people". I have seen scum Palmar do this before.

Do not disregard him because you don't understand his agenda.


When he trolls, it's my policy to disregard him on D1, cause later mafia assume he's a trolling blue or something and shoot him, problem solved.

The only reason he's sowing distrust is that null to scummy elements like FF and Damdred took him at face value.

If I lynch him D1, then for fun, but not in a championship game.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 22 2017 00:18 GMT
#429
On February 22 2017 09:16 Koshi wrote:
Unite on BM. I like you people. We should all stay together.


I will switch if it's me getting lynched at EoD.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 22 2017 00:20 GMT
#431
Or maybe Damdred cause he's sheeping Trollmar, shows up to waffle a little, says I'm scumreading Palmar. And doesn't follow up or seem to care about making the right decision.

On February 22 2017 02:28 Damdred wrote:
Liek Vivax do you really think Palmar is scum here?


On February 22 2017 07:22 Damdred wrote:
I would consider lunch in vivax but idk so kinda comes off a bit town in the exchange about it being me v him.

Mafia could do it I guess but seems more town so far ehhh



On February 22 2017 07:31 Damdred wrote:
Then why won't you change your vote and help him? Or push anyone that has any traction atm besides bm?



On February 22 2017 08:07 Damdred wrote:
I might follow koshi hrmmm

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
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February 22 2017 00:21 GMT
#432
The third quote is to Malongo btw.
I've rarely seen Damdred so happy to just park his vote on me and peace out.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 23 2017 18:07 GMT
#544
On February 23 2017 00:49 Palmar wrote:
well think about it.

Vivax is a dumbass. That's not gonna change regardless of his alignment, thus him being a dumbass is not relevant to his alignment. He can't just magically become smart when he's mafia or town.


???

Did I do anything to you to talk about me like that? Or are you just acting like an asshole by default?

Back on topic:

I don't see a cop claim, I see Palmar saying he found a picture of rayn near the scene of the crime, followed by rayn thinking he's a cop, followed by Palmar saying

On February 23 2017 20:12 Palmar wrote:
yes, I am


On February 23 2017 20:13 Palmar wrote:
well I wasn't, but then you gave me the idea, so I am.


followed by rayn starting a counter attack on Palmar.

And to me, it looks like rayn is overreacting to the prospect of having been copped when I'm not sure what I should believe Palmar actually is.
Vivax
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21965 Posts
February 23 2017 18:10 GMT
#546
To me it looks like Palmar is denying being a cop, and rayn is like "but you are", but why would he think that if he knew that he was town? So I think rayn has got some explaining to do a to why he's so startled by the eventuality that Palmar IS a cop, since from a town rayn perspective, he should always return green to checks.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 23 2017 18:12 GMT
#547
Yeah ok if Palmar would clear that up for once please. Cause he keeps flip flopping between claiming cop and not claiming cop.
Vivax
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February 23 2017 18:28 GMT
#552
On February 24 2017 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record Vivax my case on Palmar has nothing to do with him being a cop or not since i could not prove it anyways so it's jsut dumb to make a case like "i know i am green so he is mafia lying". But he literally claimed a cop in the post i just quoted. Maybe you should start reading properly ok?


Well, I'm ruminating on it. It is possible that he's just keeping his claim unclear enough for a sufficient time to figure out which setup this is. And if he's mafia and sees no cop claiming, he will just claim that this is the cop setup and he's the cop.

Your reaction though I found still noteworthy cause to me it looked like you were believing that he was cop from the get go. Will check out that case still.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 23 2017 19:04 GMT
#560
Do you really only see this day being between you and Palmar, rayn?

I've read your case and it boils down to Palmar not acting like he's 100% convinced that you are mafia and should get lynched during D1. But the likely explanation is that he acted like he was convinced I was mafia on D1, and I remember that act pretty well as it was quite unnerving. That doesn't mean his behaviour must have come from town, but it also means that it didn't have to come from mafia.

I will handle it like this: Palmar is not a cop. If he ever claims anything later in the game, it will be worthless. If he doesn't bother to reaffirm that he is cop and has info, he is simply not the cop. He had enough time to scout for any ccs. I assume that a hypthetical cop Damdred and a cop BM could still be cops and weren't around to CC, but I see it as unlikely cause both of them are very lynchable.
Vivax
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February 23 2017 19:05 GMT
#562
On February 24 2017 00:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is the thing.

Here is how Palmar's read progresses:
Before D1 end:
On February 22 2017 01:28 Palmar wrote:
Now Koshi is a true patriot, and a townsman.

We have three in my team. Me, Koshi and Malongo. I also think Fecalfeast might be in my team but I am not sure.

We will come for these baddies.

rayn is 10000000% mafia.

Vivax is too

But don't mind me, I'm just being right over here in my corner.

On February 22 2017 01:32 Palmar wrote:
So game looks like this.

Town:

Palmar
Koshi
Malongo
Damdred


Maybe town
sicklucker
fecalfeast

illegal emigrant
BIll Murray

scum
rayn
vivax

On February 22 2017 01:34 Palmar wrote:
solved bitches

I don't mind killing rayn first, he's annoying when he's mafia.


The problem here is when Palmar is town and he thinks i am mafia he will 100% vote for me and try to convince everyone else to vote for me because he values lynching me when he thinks i am mafia. There is literally 0% chance Palmar actually thinks i am mafia and doesn't vote for me.


Here is what happens after the lynch:
On February 23 2017 00:26 Palmar wrote:
Like it completely baffles me, even if these folks didn't want to kill dishonest Vivax, why didn't they just do as you did and get rid of the emigrant?

At least that would have been arguably a successful day.

But no, instead you let scumrayn trick all your tiny brains into killing sicklucker, and now rayn has run off to his hole to hide.

Sad.

I have the best brain folks, trust it.

So either Palmar wanted his #2 lynch to be someone who he doesnt think is scum, or he doesn't actually think i (or Vivax) am mafia. Now how does this make sense? Go back to his filter on D1 and read the posts. Literally every single post where there is a mafia"read" says either "Vivax is mafia" or "rayn is mafia".

Now at this point there is maybe 0.1% chance Palmar is actually just trolling on his read on me, but that cannot be true since he is again calling me scum (when i have not made a single post that could affect the read after N1 start).

TLDR;
- Palmar's read on me doesn't go along with his actions in the thread
- Even if you don't know his play well enough, everything he says is like "i am writing this in a trolling manner so i can backpedal it later on if i need to, i was just trolling".
- He's been just as fucking unproductive than BM has been in this game while actually being here and "playing". Does ANY of you think that Palmar, as town, when a person he thinks in town is getting the most votes aka being lynched, plays like he did on EOD? Never ever, never!!!

Now i am gonna get my stuff ready for the trip and then i am gonna read again and find the second mafia dude. Of and for a possible cop, do not claim even if Palmar sticks with the claim, he is super fucking obvious scum and you don't have to. Even if he somehow manages to get me lynched instead of him do not claim. You'll get another check. Except if you have a red check you can claim because we 100% win the game right there.


I just woke up and haven't checked up on d1 yet but this looks pretty solid.

Couple questions tho,
You say there's a 0.1% chance palmar is trolling. If the chance is that low why even mention it? Obviously if he's mafia he'll say he was trolling or at least act like it.

If town palmar would lynch you 100% if he thinks you're mafia, what value is there in a mafia palmar not trying to lynch you? Some kind of careless slipup/not thinking like a town?


What do you mean it looks solid? Do you think rayn has a point here or not?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 23 2017 19:11 GMT
#563
On February 24 2017 04:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
And how does being lynchable make them not cops?


I have a hard time seeing either of them playing like that as cops, simples.
Any cop claim past this day should be disregarded entirely. Or any other blue claim for that matter. Cause Palmar already pushed the boundaries with his claim/not claim.

In a world where Palmar is town this is actually brilliant cause he's taking away claim space from scum doing it in the future. And if he's mafia it's also brilliant cause if it works, he can claim a role for himself.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 23 2017 19:14 GMT
#564
Coincidentially, we're down to 7 people. The amount of people that was in I'm a cop you idiot.
Palmar might just be playing the reboot right now, or maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but I do see a pattern here.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 24 2017 21:24 GMT
#622
So, should we pretend the Palmar vs Rayn thing never happened? It doesn't feel right.

On February 23 2017 17:33 Palmar wrote:
I am investigating this murder.

I found this near the murder scene. What do you think it could mean?

[image loading]


On February 23 2017 19:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If thats supposed to be a cop claim noone CC!!!
I will explain when i am home in 2hrs.


I want you to look at this and tell me if you would have thought that Palmar was cop for that drawing. Cause it was clearly rayn's perspective at the time.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 24 2017 21:25 GMT
#623
And Damdred:
On February 25 2017 00:51 Damdred wrote:
Like the easiest solution to the game is ff +bm. But I just don't think that'strue right now, some of bm posts weren't to bad, he's still worth a look in lylo but I don't think he is the lunch today.

Like if I'm wrong on ff and bm is town that leaves a super weird team of mal+vivax, which I just don't believe. Vivax hasn't been to bad today.

Mal has fallen off a cliff though his postings are a bit weird and awkward, his ignoring rayn v palmar but calling it offhand as r v t is weird. His insistence on voting bm and not considering helping his tr in sl was horrid beyond messure.

Like I could see mal being scum pretty handily.


The bolded sounds exactly just like you. You know that?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 24 2017 21:38 GMT
#626
On February 25 2017 05:29 Malongo wrote:
So I strongly advice the town to get away from Palmar vs ryan.

It just doesn`t help us. If I feel forced to chage my vote near the deadline I am most likely going to vote ryan. Because it doesn`t make any sense for me that 1 mafia (one of them) picked a townie to get them both killed D2 and D3 in case the townie gets lynched first on D2 (wifom obvioulsly). Palmar may be town troll but he knows he is getting lynched D3 if ryan flips green. On the other hand ryan just has that tiny oportunity window to defend D3 if Palmar flips green. All that being said I don`t want any of them gone,

##vote FecalFeast


Why does the lynch of one automatically lead to the lynch of the other? It is almost never the case unless in direct CCs.

I also don't know why you think FF is scum cause he voted back the person who voted him back, twice. For that matter, rayn also made a case on Palmar once he thought that a cop was calling him mafia. Yet you think that convo is a TvT.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 24 2017 21:45 GMT
#627
And I assume Damdred will post more today cause he still has to vote, so please don't start doing that when all euros went to bed. I'll be around until late probably.

In any case, both Damdred and Malongo are advocating that both rayn and Palmar are town cause they say that it's a suicidal trade off for mafia. BM on the other hand adopts a saner attitude and demands a clearer stance from Palmar, I prefer BMs approach much more cause it looks less like it could be made up.

I think of the bunch of the two rayn comes off worse cause he has overreacted to a Palmar that up until that point, was widely accepted as a trolling Palmar. So instead of first inquiring whether Palmar is serious or not, rayn immediately went to the counter offensive seeing a cop claim where most just weren't sure what to believe.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 24 2017 22:05 GMT
#630
On February 25 2017 06:59 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2017 06:38 Vivax wrote:
On February 25 2017 05:29 Malongo wrote:
So I strongly advice the town to get away from Palmar vs ryan.

It just doesn`t help us. If I feel forced to chage my vote near the deadline I am most likely going to vote ryan. Because it doesn`t make any sense for me that 1 mafia (one of them) picked a townie to get them both killed D2 and D3 in case the townie gets lynched first on D2 (wifom obvioulsly). Palmar may be town troll but he knows he is getting lynched D3 if ryan flips green. On the other hand ryan just has that tiny oportunity window to defend D3 if Palmar flips green. All that being said I don`t want any of them gone,

##vote FecalFeast


Why does the lynch of one automatically lead to the lynch of the other? It is almost never the case unless in direct CCs.

I also don't know why you think FF is scum cause he voted back the person who voted him back, twice. For that matter, rayn also made a case on Palmar once he thought that a cop was calling him mafia. Yet you think that convo is a TvT.


What I am saying is this: Palmar says one of them should be lynched today. Palmar is playing troll game. Lets say we lynch Palmar and he flips green do we really have other choice given ryans posts and "reads" this game? On the opposite, lets say ryan is lynched and he flips green. Would you really let the player that trolled all the game and got a town lynched get away in lylo? So for me "if" we lynch one of them and flips green then it is almost autolynch next day. At least for me.

FF is not mafia because he voted back twice, I say he is mafia because his posting shows coincidence with mafia position as put previously. I reference ryans case on Palmar in my large post, I find it weak. I read all the Palmar vs ryan as troll vs town for now, but as I already said I would vote ryan if forced.


Do you really think Palmar is still playing a troll game? He's calling mafias terrorists and emigrants but otherwise, I think those are pretty much his reads. He's just wrapping them up in carnival suits.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 24 2017 22:20 GMT
#633
On February 25 2017 07:07 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2017 07:05 Vivax wrote:
On February 25 2017 06:59 Malongo wrote:
On February 25 2017 06:38 Vivax wrote:
On February 25 2017 05:29 Malongo wrote:
So I strongly advice the town to get away from Palmar vs ryan.

It just doesn`t help us. If I feel forced to chage my vote near the deadline I am most likely going to vote ryan. Because it doesn`t make any sense for me that 1 mafia (one of them) picked a townie to get them both killed D2 and D3 in case the townie gets lynched first on D2 (wifom obvioulsly). Palmar may be town troll but he knows he is getting lynched D3 if ryan flips green. On the other hand ryan just has that tiny oportunity window to defend D3 if Palmar flips green. All that being said I don`t want any of them gone,

##vote FecalFeast


Why does the lynch of one automatically lead to the lynch of the other? It is almost never the case unless in direct CCs.

I also don't know why you think FF is scum cause he voted back the person who voted him back, twice. For that matter, rayn also made a case on Palmar once he thought that a cop was calling him mafia. Yet you think that convo is a TvT.


What I am saying is this: Palmar says one of them should be lynched today. Palmar is playing troll game. Lets say we lynch Palmar and he flips green do we really have other choice given ryans posts and "reads" this game? On the opposite, lets say ryan is lynched and he flips green. Would you really let the player that trolled all the game and got a town lynched get away in lylo? So for me "if" we lynch one of them and flips green then it is almost autolynch next day. At least for me.

FF is not mafia because he voted back twice, I say he is mafia because his posting shows coincidence with mafia position as put previously. I reference ryans case on Palmar in my large post, I find it weak. I read all the Palmar vs ryan as troll vs town for now, but as I already said I would vote ryan if forced.


Do you really think Palmar is still playing a troll game? He's calling mafias terrorists and emigrants but otherwise, I think those are pretty much his reads. He's just wrapping them up in carnival suits.


From the momet he puts his reads with 0 backup he is trolling for me. Not even 1 reference.


How can you say that you would vote rayn if forced to if you don't believe anything Palmar says anyway?
I have trouble understanding your perspective there.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 25 2017 00:11 GMT
#650
On February 25 2017 08:19 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2017 08:15 Damdred wrote:
Like my gut says r bm Is probably town.

I don't know go much I like that but I am unsure the scum motivation would be to unvote me like that and townread m. And gad a couple posts I liked about Palma rayn.

So leaves me in a world where it's I of rayn/palmar ff/mal

Or just mal+ff which I least likely world sigh now unless they are doing agreat double bus


I don`t like how BM gets a "probably" town from all of you.


Why not? He posts reasons for his reads, has sass,and gives us a summary of his reads.

I'm feelingt that you, FF and BM all have done townie things. FF for example had an opening on me yesterday, you post very believable and thought out posts like your summary lately, BM does that too but with less formatting. Tone wise you are all in the confident category. I am pretty bad at reading FF and BM though so I'm flip floppy on these two.

My current best guess for mafia is Damdred + rayn. Maybe Palmar + Damdred. And this is going to sound crazy, but Palmar + rayn are also an option cause their double bus would split town apart and allow one of them to carry, possibly with an unCCd cop claim on his shoulders. They are good enough players to do such things.

As for Damdred, he seems to show up at strategic moments, only posting late in the day, and to emulate what he thinks are townies with some leverage. I think he did that yesterday with Palmar when he scumread me, and he's doing it today when you're scumreading FF. Although he did call FF scum at EoD yesterday.

Then again I found his tidbit on Malongo out of place as well. For me Malongo was the sort of player who looked scummy early in the day and then picked up later in the game.

And what's another giveaway is that I don't see him evaluating what BM has posted today which seemed townie to me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 25 2017 00:14 GMT
#651
On February 25 2017 09:04 Damdred wrote:
Vivax what are you at when I need you. Mal attitude is super suicidal which makes me lean town, God dangit.
Decisions.


He's probably town without being suicidal. If you are not mafia here, can you sell me a believable combination? Without just skipping Palmar + rayn which makes me uncomfortable when it is done, especially since both stopped fighting the fight for each other's lynch.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 25 2017 00:39 GMT
#659
On February 25 2017 09:29 Damdred wrote:
And hell yyou say I skip rayn and palmar but I give reasoning to what I think? And then when I say which is probably scum if there is one you ignore that to.

But you paint me as scum and then ignore 3/4 mybposts...

Man this is dumb


If you didn't ignore their posts, then you have to make a call.
Especially cause otherwise Malongo will probably get lynched instead of rayn, and in my opinion rayn has a better chance of flipping scum than Malongo.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 25 2017 01:01 GMT
#666
Malongo when you are town, getting yourself lynched is technically against win condition.

On February 25 2017 09:45 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2017 09:39 Vivax wrote:
On February 25 2017 09:29 Damdred wrote:
And hell yyou say I skip rayn and palmar but I give reasoning to what I think? And then when I say which is probably scum if there is one you ignore that to.

But you paint me as scum and then ignore 3/4 mybposts...

Man this is dumb


If you didn't ignore their posts, then you have to make a call.
Especially cause otherwise Malongo will probably get lynched instead of rayn, and in my opinion rayn has a better chance of flipping scum than Malongo.


Vivax pop quiz no looking you have to answer immediately , who did I say was probably scum if there was one between Palm and rayn?


Rayn, but I don't see you considering to vote him even a bit. Saying things is one thing, acting on them another.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 25 2017 19:52 GMT
#710
On February 25 2017 10:41 Malongo wrote:
Is ryan comfy Vivax?


lol
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 27 2017 12:31 GMT
#722
It's a nice writeup. Nothing you would not be capable of as mafia, though. You get an advance of trust for being the first to put in some work today though.

I'm trying to picture the different scenario/teams, careful wall of text ahead:

The VCA from last day:

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 24 2017 11:06 iamperfection wrote:
Vote Count - Day 2



Palmar(1): raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet(1): Palmar


Not Voting: (5) Malongo, Damdred, Bill Murray, FecalFeast, Vivax, ,

It looks like Palmar will be Power Bombed at the moment.

if you see a mistake please notify us

Day 1 ends in at 01:30 GMT (+00:00).



At this stage, I'm going to assume that mafia didn't vote yet. The votes then turned into x1 FF from Malongo and x2 Malongo from FF and BM. Me and Damdred then "hammered" Rayn.

The votes on Malongo were selfish votes, as in, BM and FF didn't really pile up on rayn here, and their reasons were both pretty blatantly shit.

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 25 2017 05:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok

##unvote
##vote malongo


On February 25 2017 06:20 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm voting malongo because he insulted me one too many times ... and you don't insult a man on his birthday



So the next logical thing to do is to go and check whether they actually had any reason not to vote for rayn here.

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 24 2017 01:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2017 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fecalfeast you know one of me/Palmar is scum by default.
Who do you think is the other scum and why?

I don't know anything really. If I were to assume one of you is scum, I would assume palmar. Partnered with palmar i could see BM based on his eod last second vote into total mia for 30 hours.

Yeah palmar BM makes sense to me right now.


Incase t isn't clear yet i am phone posting at work again


On February 24 2017 14:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
BM is town, Damdred is scum.
Malongo why are you demotivated?


On February 25 2017 05:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok

##unvote
##vote malongo


On February 25 2017 06:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Actually that's a decent point vivax. Rayn was convinced it was a cop claim before the claim happened...

I will look next break busy work day


If we go through the teams here while FF was changing reads: It's [Palmar + BM] to [Palmar + Damdred] to [??? + Malongo] to [rayn + Malongo] or something. To me the ??? raises some red flags as it shows that FF wasn't coherent with his reads here. His omgus vote on Malongo was, simply put, not in line with who he thought was the mafia team at the time. And being attacked by Malongo made him throw away all his reasons for scumreading Palmar and Damdred.

Then BM:

On February 24 2017 12:58 Bill Murray wrote:
heres where my reads are in this game
Town: BM, FF, Vivax, Malongo
Null: Rayn, Palmar
Scum: Damdred,

If Palmar steps up and actually claims cop, I'll put him in the town pile, which would move Rayn down to mafia, in all likelihood. If Palmar admits he was fakeclaiming, that might work towards the same end. I just want some sort of resolution from all of the shenanigans he has been pulling. None of this Fake News Alternative Facts Bullshit.


He expressed paranoia about Palmar being scum earlier, but didn't put him down as scum here. Logically, he is thinking that one of rayn or Palmar must be scum. The problem here appears simpler than in the case of FF: He spitevotes Malongo for feeling insulted.

And the point of this entire writeup is: I think both of them have shown balls, in a way. Cause they went against the sentiment when presented with a pure Palmar vs rayn situation. And when they went against sentiment, they didn't look afraid to look bad for voting one of the towniest people at the time. This is actually a point for them being town, and their reads being floppy in the process isn't something far off their town meta if I'm not mistaken.

It could also have been strategic shitposting though. As both of them voting rayn would have guaranteed to the others that at least 1 mafia was on him, and possibly changed the votes to one of them, especially FF who was under flak from Damdred and Malongo.

I think that FF and BM are almost always scum together here, which would be #team 1 . Or Damdred + either one of them. One of the reasons I see FF + Damdred as a possibility is the read change here which I would like to see explained from him here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 25 2017 10:09 Damdred wrote:
No I said I kinda wanted to lynch rayn today. I might be willing to do ff as well.

Like I think rayn+ff makes sense.

But I don't want mal lynched so we need to move together now and mal needs to come with us


On February 25 2017 10:19 Damdred wrote:
Well we have 10-12 minutes to figure out a good lynch then.

Ff is possible but idk.

Rayn hasn't really cared to much today when mafia palmar had him in his sites (to him)

Are you 100% sold on vivax being town mal?


On February 25 2017 11:00 Damdred wrote:
Honestly it's probably vivax plus one.

Like I understand you are funneled on ff. Bm well I can understand arguments about his usefulness, and his two deal votes.

But today we were extremely limited due to how votes were. So yeah, just explain in detail why ff is 100% scum to me besides he has crap reasons for voting you. Or include them to I just want to see you make a case on him.



The other option is Palmar + Damdred mafia, # team 2. There seems to be a fair amount of distance between the two as so far in this game Damdred worked his own corners for the most part and put away Palmar vs rayn as TvT, initially.
But for #team 2 I might want to do another revisit as this was mostly my impression.

I also think that today, unless one scum is above suspicion which for me at least isn't be the case as I don't have any firm townread at the moment, the mafia are most likely to have one of them on their suggested team while preferencing the other slightly more.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 27 2017 12:33 GMT
#723
So I'm mostly stuck deciding who is more likely mafia with Damdred in the event that Damdred is mafia, as that will be the guy I decide to lynch as he's going to be more likely to be mafia, if I go for a Palmar town scenario.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 27 2017 13:33 GMT
#729
Damdred has been pretty persistent about lynching FF though, why he would suddenly decide to stop being persistent about it? It must have meant that he only saw a rayn + FF world at that point and the rayn flip somehow made him think FF was town. It just seems pointless to bus FF all game long and then turn around at the point in which bussing is more powerful imo.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 27 2017 13:36 GMT
#730
It makes FF + Damdred a less likely combination in my eyes, anyhow. Still would like to see that change of mind from Damdred explained as I don't see the motivation
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 27 2017 22:33 GMT
#743
Looks like I'll be sticking around until deadline to have the chance to see Damdred and BM posting today.
FF I agree with Palmar here you are being unnecessarily whiny.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 27 2017 23:01 GMT
#746
Damdreds filter looks pretty good to me initially and then drops off as his read on FF changes for no perceptible reason and he promises to tryhard but didn't show up so far.
I'm mostly looking forward to how he handles things later, but I'm pretty set on lynching one of FF or BM today either way and give Damdred some credit for the early game.

If I try to ignore how he scumread me at various opportunities, most of the posts seem also to work down different scenarios and aren't really one dimensional scumreads but instead he also thinks of possible mafia interactions. They look like honest thoughts, especially early on.

I am slightly paranoid of Palmar but he's been around pushing things forward first. Maybe BM here is town and the easy way out for mafia, but I'm willing to skip that scenario cause I wouldn't be ashamed to lose to Palmar playing like this.

So in summary, I'll stick around and see what Damdred + BM do before deciding who to pick between BM and FF.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 27 2017 23:04 GMT
#747
I have certain expectations to how BM will handle this lylo especially, but won't reveal yet.

FF you start your post with Damdred + BM seeming to easy but then conclude your post with a Damdred + BM team. Isn't that a bit redundant?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 27 2017 23:29 GMT
#754
I'd feel comfier if I could be your vote manager for tonight while you are asleep Palmar. I think a lot of my decision will depend on how BM and Damdred handle the day if they even show up.

If BM doesn't post at all he's getting my vote.

On February 28 2017 08:11 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2017 08:01 Vivax wrote:
Damdreds filter looks pretty good to me initially and then drops off as his read on FF changes for no perceptible reason and he promises to tryhard but didn't show up so far.
I'm mostly looking forward to how he handles things later, but I'm pretty set on lynching one of FF or BM today either way and give Damdred some credit for the early game.

If I try to ignore how he scumread me at various opportunities, most of the posts seem also to work down different scenarios and aren't really one dimensional scumreads but instead he also thinks of possible mafia interactions. They look like honest thoughts, especially early on.

I am slightly paranoid of Palmar but he's been around pushing things forward first. Maybe BM here is town and the easy way out for mafia, but I'm willing to skip that scenario cause I wouldn't be ashamed to lose to Palmar playing like this.

So in summary, I'll stick around and see what Damdred + BM do before deciding who to pick between BM and FF.


Honestly, i'm slightly mad that I tryhard super much as mafia and everyone wants to lynch me, but I play like a retard as town and everyone is fine with me.


There's a reason the joker meme exists
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-28 01:48:42
February 28 2017 01:46 GMT
#768
I imagined lylo would be harder, but hey, pretty much all the active tryhard players were killed in the course of the game. Damdred looks like hes on time restraints, and idk what BM was up to.

And the fight between Palmar + rayn was a blessing, being able to take out one of them by lynch is always helpful.

I think Malongo and Koshi played the best in terms of looking townie, while Damdred kept hovering close to the actual team in terms of reads.

Palmar just played a blatant low effort game for reasons he mentioned, I don't think he played badly per se. There was just no means for him to figure it out at lylo with 2 players mia.

I think that SL would have been on to me at this lylo so that lynch helped to.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 28 2017 10:56 GMT
#787
Ye my meta post on Palmar was completely pointless, but if asked I'd have explained it away somehow. Woulda been up to you if you believed the explanation. I just threw an observation out there without much conviction behind it.

And Palmar scumreading me didn't look intimidating or serious so I didn't really bother giving it much attention. So next time you want to get a read on me, you should try to pull more people into the boat actively instead of just playing the drums for yourself in the middle of nowhere.
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