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On February 23 2017 00:49 Palmar wrote:
well think about it.
Vivax is a dumbass. That's not gonna change regardless of his alignment, thus him being a dumbass is not relevant to his alignment. He can't just magically become smart when he's mafia or town.
???
Did I do anything to you to talk about me like that? Or are you just acting like an asshole by default?
Back on topic:
I don't see a cop claim, I see Palmar saying he found a picture of rayn near the scene of the crime, followed by rayn thinking he's a cop, followed by Palmar saying
On February 23 2017 20:12 Palmar wrote:
yes, I am
On February 23 2017 20:13 Palmar wrote:
well I wasn't, but then you gave me the idea, so I am.
followed by rayn starting a counter attack on Palmar.
And to me, it looks like rayn is overreacting to the prospect of having been copped when I'm not sure what I should believe Palmar actually is.
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To me it looks like Palmar is denying being a cop, and rayn is like "but you are", but why would he think that if he knew that he was town? So I think rayn has got some explaining to do a to why he's so startled by the eventuality that Palmar IS a cop, since from a town rayn perspective, he should always return green to checks.
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Yeah ok if Palmar would clear that up for once please. Cause he keeps flip flopping between claiming cop and not claiming cop.
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On February 24 2017 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record Vivax my case on Palmar has nothing to do with him being a cop or not since i could not prove it anyways so it's jsut dumb to make a case like "i know i am green so he is mafia lying". But he literally claimed a cop in the post i just quoted. Maybe you should start reading properly ok?
Well, I'm ruminating on it. It is possible that he's just keeping his claim unclear enough for a sufficient time to figure out which setup this is. And if he's mafia and sees no cop claiming, he will just claim that this is the cop setup and he's the cop.
Your reaction though I found still noteworthy cause to me it looked like you were believing that he was cop from the get go. Will check out that case still.
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Do you really only see this day being between you and Palmar, rayn?
I've read your case and it boils down to Palmar not acting like he's 100% convinced that you are mafia and should get lynched during D1. But the likely explanation is that he acted like he was convinced I was mafia on D1, and I remember that act pretty well as it was quite unnerving. That doesn't mean his behaviour must have come from town, but it also means that it didn't have to come from mafia.
I will handle it like this: Palmar is not a cop. If he ever claims anything later in the game, it will be worthless. If he doesn't bother to reaffirm that he is cop and has info, he is simply not the cop. He had enough time to scout for any ccs. I assume that a hypthetical cop Damdred and a cop BM could still be cops and weren't around to CC, but I see it as unlikely cause both of them are very lynchable.
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On February 24 2017 00:33 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2017 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is the thing. Here is how Palmar's read progresses: Before D1 end: On February 22 2017 01:28 Palmar wrote:
Now Koshi is a true patriot, and a townsman.
We have three in my team. Me, Koshi and Malongo. I also think Fecalfeast might be in my team but I am not sure.
We will come for these baddies.
rayn is 10000000% mafia.
Vivax is too
But don't mind me, I'm just being right over here in my corner. On February 22 2017 01:32 Palmar wrote:
So game looks like this.
Town:
Palmar
Koshi
Malongo
Damdred
Maybe town
sicklucker
fecalfeast
illegal emigrant
BIll Murray
scum
rayn
vivax
On February 22 2017 01:34 Palmar wrote:
solved bitches
I don't mind killing rayn first, he's annoying when he's mafia. The problem here is when Palmar is town and he thinks i am mafia he will 100% vote for me and try to convince everyone else to vote for me because he values lynching me when he thinks i am mafia. There is literally 0% chance Palmar actually thinks i am mafia and doesn't vote for me. Here is what happens after the lynch: On February 23 2017 00:26 Palmar wrote:
Like it completely baffles me, even if these folks didn't want to kill dishonest Vivax, why didn't they just do as you did and get rid of the emigrant?
At least that would have been arguably a successful day.
But no, instead you let scumrayn trick all your tiny brains into killing sicklucker, and now rayn has run off to his hole to hide.
Sad.
I have the best brain folks, trust it. So either Palmar wanted his #2 lynch to be someone who he doesnt think is scum, or he doesn't actually think i (or Vivax) am mafia. Now how does this make sense? Go back to his filter on D1 and read the posts. Literally every single post where there is a mafia"read" says either "Vivax is mafia" or "rayn is mafia".Now at this point there is maybe 0.1% chance Palmar is actually just trolling on his read on me, but that cannot be true since he is again calling me scum (when i have not made a single post that could affect the read after N1 start). TLDR;- Palmar's read on me doesn't go along with his actions in the thread - Even if you don't know his play well enough, everything he says is like "i am writing this in a trolling manner so i can backpedal it later on if i need to, i was just trolling". - He's been just as fucking unproductive than BM has been in this game while actually being here and "playing". Does ANY of you think that Palmar, as town, when a person he thinks in town is getting the most votes aka being lynched, plays like he did on EOD? Never ever, never!!! Now i am gonna get my stuff ready for the trip and then i am gonna read again and find the second mafia dude. Of and for a possible cop, do not claim even if Palmar sticks with the claim, he is super fucking obvious scum and you don't have to. Even if he somehow manages to get me lynched instead of him do not claim. You'll get another check. Except if you have a red check you can claim because we 100% win the game right there. I just woke up and haven't checked up on d1 yet but this looks pretty solid.Couple questions tho, You say there's a 0.1% chance palmar is trolling. If the chance is that low why even mention it? Obviously if he's mafia he'll say he was trolling or at least act like it. If town palmar would lynch you 100% if he thinks you're mafia, what value is there in a mafia palmar not trying to lynch you? Some kind of careless slipup/not thinking like a town?
What do you mean it looks solid? Do you think rayn has a point here or not?
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On February 24 2017 04:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
And how does being lynchable make them not cops?
I have a hard time seeing either of them playing like that as cops, simples.
Any cop claim past this day should be disregarded entirely. Or any other blue claim for that matter. Cause Palmar already pushed the boundaries with his claim/not claim.
In a world where Palmar is town this is actually brilliant cause he's taking away claim space from scum doing it in the future. And if he's mafia it's also brilliant cause if it works, he can claim a role for himself.
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Coincidentially, we're down to 7 people. The amount of people that was in I'm a cop you idiot.
Palmar might just be playing the reboot right now, or maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but I do see a pattern here.
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So, should we pretend the Palmar vs Rayn thing never happened? It doesn't feel right.
On February 23 2017 17:33 Palmar wrote:I am investigating this murder. I found this near the murder scene. What do you think it could mean? ![[image loading]](http://i62.tinypic.com/14nirnm.png)
On February 23 2017 19:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If thats supposed to be a cop claim noone CC!!!
I will explain when i am home in 2hrs.
I want you to look at this and tell me if you would have thought that Palmar was cop for that drawing. Cause it was clearly rayn's perspective at the time.
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And Damdred:
On February 25 2017 00:51 Damdred wrote:
Like the easiest solution to the game is ff +bm. But I just don't think that'strue right now, some of bm posts weren't to bad, he's still worth a look in lylo but I don't think he is the lunch today.
Like if I'm wrong on ff and bm is town that leaves a super weird team of mal+vivax, which I just don't believe. Vivax hasn't been to bad today.
Mal has fallen off a cliff though his postings are a bit weird and awkward, his ignoring rayn v palmar but calling it offhand as r v t is weird. His insistence on voting bm and not considering helping his tr in sl was horrid beyond messure.
Like I could see mal being scum pretty handily.
The bolded sounds exactly just like you. You know that?
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On February 25 2017 05:29 Malongo wrote:
So I strongly advice the town to get away from Palmar vs ryan.
It just doesn`t help us. If I feel forced to chage my vote near the deadline I am most likely going to vote ryan. Because it doesn`t make any sense for me that 1 mafia (one of them) picked a townie to get them both killed D2 and D3 in case the townie gets lynched first on D2 (wifom obvioulsly). Palmar may be town troll but he knows he is getting lynched D3 if ryan flips green. On the other hand ryan just has that tiny oportunity window to defend D3 if Palmar flips green. All that being said I don`t want any of them gone,
##vote FecalFeast
Why does the lynch of one automatically lead to the lynch of the other? It is almost never the case unless in direct CCs.
I also don't know why you think FF is scum cause he voted back the person who voted him back, twice. For that matter, rayn also made a case on Palmar once he thought that a cop was calling him mafia. Yet you think that convo is a TvT.
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And I assume Damdred will post more today cause he still has to vote, so please don't start doing that when all euros went to bed. I'll be around until late probably.
In any case, both Damdred and Malongo are advocating that both rayn and Palmar are town cause they say that it's a suicidal trade off for mafia. BM on the other hand adopts a saner attitude and demands a clearer stance from Palmar, I prefer BMs approach much more cause it looks less like it could be made up.
I think of the bunch of the two rayn comes off worse cause he has overreacted to a Palmar that up until that point, was widely accepted as a trolling Palmar. So instead of first inquiring whether Palmar is serious or not, rayn immediately went to the counter offensive seeing a cop claim where most just weren't sure what to believe.
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On February 25 2017 06:59 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2017 06:38 Vivax wrote:On February 25 2017 05:29 Malongo wrote:
So I strongly advice the town to get away from Palmar vs ryan.
It just doesn`t help us. If I feel forced to chage my vote near the deadline I am most likely going to vote ryan. Because it doesn`t make any sense for me that 1 mafia (one of them) picked a townie to get them both killed D2 and D3 in case the townie gets lynched first on D2 (wifom obvioulsly). Palmar may be town troll but he knows he is getting lynched D3 if ryan flips green. On the other hand ryan just has that tiny oportunity window to defend D3 if Palmar flips green. All that being said I don`t want any of them gone,
##vote FecalFeast Why does the lynch of one automatically lead to the lynch of the other? It is almost never the case unless in direct CCs. I also don't know why you think FF is scum cause he voted back the person who voted him back, twice. For that matter, rayn also made a case on Palmar once he thought that a cop was calling him mafia. Yet you think that convo is a TvT. What I am saying is this: Palmar says one of them should be lynched today. Palmar is playing troll game. Lets say we lynch Palmar and he flips green do we really have other choice given ryans posts and "reads" this game? On the opposite, lets say ryan is lynched and he flips green. Would you really let the player that trolled all the game and got a town lynched get away in lylo? So for me "if" we lynch one of them and flips green then it is almost autolynch next day. At least for me. FF is not mafia because he voted back twice, I say he is mafia because his posting shows coincidence with mafia position as put previously. I reference ryans case on Palmar in my large post, I find it weak. I read all the Palmar vs ryan as troll vs town for now, but as I already said I would vote ryan if forced.
Do you really think Palmar is still playing a troll game? He's calling mafias terrorists and emigrants but otherwise, I think those are pretty much his reads. He's just wrapping them up in carnival suits.
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On February 25 2017 07:07 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2017 07:05 Vivax wrote:On February 25 2017 06:59 Malongo wrote:On February 25 2017 06:38 Vivax wrote:On February 25 2017 05:29 Malongo wrote:
So I strongly advice the town to get away from Palmar vs ryan.
It just doesn`t help us. If I feel forced to chage my vote near the deadline I am most likely going to vote ryan. Because it doesn`t make any sense for me that 1 mafia (one of them) picked a townie to get them both killed D2 and D3 in case the townie gets lynched first on D2 (wifom obvioulsly). Palmar may be town troll but he knows he is getting lynched D3 if ryan flips green. On the other hand ryan just has that tiny oportunity window to defend D3 if Palmar flips green. All that being said I don`t want any of them gone,
##vote FecalFeast Why does the lynch of one automatically lead to the lynch of the other? It is almost never the case unless in direct CCs. I also don't know why you think FF is scum cause he voted back the person who voted him back, twice. For that matter, rayn also made a case on Palmar once he thought that a cop was calling him mafia. Yet you think that convo is a TvT. What I am saying is this: Palmar says one of them should be lynched today. Palmar is playing troll game. Lets say we lynch Palmar and he flips green do we really have other choice given ryans posts and "reads" this game? On the opposite, lets say ryan is lynched and he flips green. Would you really let the player that trolled all the game and got a town lynched get away in lylo? So for me "if" we lynch one of them and flips green then it is almost autolynch next day. At least for me. FF is not mafia because he voted back twice, I say he is mafia because his posting shows coincidence with mafia position as put previously. I reference ryans case on Palmar in my large post, I find it weak. I read all the Palmar vs ryan as troll vs town for now, but as I already said I would vote ryan if forced. Do you really think Palmar is still playing a troll game? He's calling mafias terrorists and emigrants but otherwise, I think those are pretty much his reads. He's just wrapping them up in carnival suits. From the momet he puts his reads with 0 backup he is trolling for me. Not even 1 reference.
How can you say that you would vote rayn if forced to if you don't believe anything Palmar says anyway?
I have trouble understanding your perspective there.
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On February 25 2017 08:19 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2017 08:15 Damdred wrote:
Like my gut says r bm Is probably town.
I don't know go much I like that but I am unsure the scum motivation would be to unvote me like that and townread m. And gad a couple posts I liked about Palma rayn.
So leaves me in a world where it's I of rayn/palmar ff/mal
Or just mal+ff which I least likely world sigh now unless they are doing agreat double bus I don`t like how BM gets a "probably" town from all of you.
Why not? He posts reasons for his reads, has sass,and gives us a summary of his reads.
I'm feelingt that you, FF and BM all have done townie things. FF for example had an opening on me yesterday, you post very believable and thought out posts like your summary lately, BM does that too but with less formatting. Tone wise you are all in the confident category. I am pretty bad at reading FF and BM though so I'm flip floppy on these two.
My current best guess for mafia is Damdred + rayn. Maybe Palmar + Damdred. And this is going to sound crazy, but Palmar + rayn are also an option cause their double bus would split town apart and allow one of them to carry, possibly with an unCCd cop claim on his shoulders. They are good enough players to do such things.
As for Damdred, he seems to show up at strategic moments, only posting late in the day, and to emulate what he thinks are townies with some leverage. I think he did that yesterday with Palmar when he scumread me, and he's doing it today when you're scumreading FF. Although he did call FF scum at EoD yesterday.
Then again I found his tidbit on Malongo out of place as well. For me Malongo was the sort of player who looked scummy early in the day and then picked up later in the game.
And what's another giveaway is that I don't see him evaluating what BM has posted today which seemed townie to me.
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On February 25 2017 09:04 Damdred wrote:
Vivax what are you at when I need you. Mal attitude is super suicidal which makes me lean town, God dangit.
Decisions.
He's probably town without being suicidal. If you are not mafia here, can you sell me a believable combination? Without just skipping Palmar + rayn which makes me uncomfortable when it is done, especially since both stopped fighting the fight for each other's lynch.
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On February 25 2017 09:29 Damdred wrote:
And hell yyou say I skip rayn and palmar but I give reasoning to what I think? And then when I say which is probably scum if there is one you ignore that to.
But you paint me as scum and then ignore 3/4 mybposts...
Man this is dumb
If you didn't ignore their posts, then you have to make a call.
Especially cause otherwise Malongo will probably get lynched instead of rayn, and in my opinion rayn has a better chance of flipping scum than Malongo.
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Malongo when you are town, getting yourself lynched is technically against win condition.
On February 25 2017 09:45 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2017 09:39 Vivax wrote:On February 25 2017 09:29 Damdred wrote:
And hell yyou say I skip rayn and palmar but I give reasoning to what I think? And then when I say which is probably scum if there is one you ignore that to.
But you paint me as scum and then ignore 3/4 mybposts...
Man this is dumb If you didn't ignore their posts, then you have to make a call. Especially cause otherwise Malongo will probably get lynched instead of rayn, and in my opinion rayn has a better chance of flipping scum than Malongo. Vivax pop quiz no looking you have to answer immediately , who did I say was probably scum if there was one between Palm and rayn?
Rayn, but I don't see you considering to vote him even a bit. Saying things is one thing, acting on them another.
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On February 25 2017 10:41 Malongo wrote:
Is ryan comfy Vivax?
lol
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It's a nice writeup. Nothing you would not be capable of as mafia, though. You get an advance of trust for being the first to put in some work today though.
I'm trying to picture the different scenario/teams, careful wall of text ahead:
The VCA from last day:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 24 2017 11:06 iamperfection wrote:Vote Count - Day 2 Palmar(1): raynpelikoneet raynpelikoneet(1): Palmar Not Voting: (5) Malongo, Damdred, Bill Murray, FecalFeast, Vivax, , It looks like Palmar will be Power Bombed at the moment.
if you see a mistake please notify us
Day 1 ends in at 01:30 GMT (+00:00).
At this stage, I'm going to assume that mafia didn't vote yet. The votes then turned into x1 FF from Malongo and x2 Malongo from FF and BM. Me and Damdred then "hammered" Rayn.
The votes on Malongo were selfish votes, as in, BM and FF didn't really pile up on rayn here, and their reasons were both pretty blatantly shit.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 25 2017 05:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok
##unvote
##vote malongo On February 25 2017 06:20 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm voting malongo because he insulted me one too many times ... and you don't insult a man on his birthday
So the next logical thing to do is to go and check whether they actually had any reason not to vote for rayn here.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 24 2017 01:46 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fecalfeast you know one of me/Palmar is scum by default.
Who do you think is the other scum and why? I don't know anything really. If I were to assume one of you is scum, I would assume palmar. Partnered with palmar i could see BM based on his eod last second vote into total mia for 30 hours. Yeah palmar BM makes sense to me right now. Incase t isn't clear yet i am phone posting at work again On February 24 2017 14:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
BM is town, Damdred is scum.
Malongo why are you demotivated? On February 25 2017 05:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok
##unvote
##vote malongo On February 25 2017 06:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Actually that's a decent point vivax. Rayn was convinced it was a cop claim before the claim happened...
I will look next break busy work day
If we go through the teams here while FF was changing reads: It's [Palmar + BM] to [Palmar + Damdred] to [??? + Malongo] to [rayn + Malongo] or something. To me the ??? raises some red flags as it shows that FF wasn't coherent with his reads here. His omgus vote on Malongo was, simply put, not in line with who he thought was the mafia team at the time. And being attacked by Malongo made him throw away all his reasons for scumreading Palmar and Damdred.
Then BM:
On February 24 2017 12:58 Bill Murray wrote:
heres where my reads are in this game
Town: BM, FF, Vivax, Malongo
Null: Rayn, Palmar
Scum: Damdred,
If Palmar steps up and actually claims cop, I'll put him in the town pile, which would move Rayn down to mafia, in all likelihood. If Palmar admits he was fakeclaiming, that might work towards the same end. I just want some sort of resolution from all of the shenanigans he has been pulling. None of this Fake News Alternative Facts Bullshit.
He expressed paranoia about Palmar being scum earlier, but didn't put him down as scum here. Logically, he is thinking that one of rayn or Palmar must be scum. The problem here appears simpler than in the case of FF: He spitevotes Malongo for feeling insulted.
And the point of this entire writeup is: I think both of them have shown balls, in a way. Cause they went against the sentiment when presented with a pure Palmar vs rayn situation. And when they went against sentiment, they didn't look afraid to look bad for voting one of the towniest people at the time. This is actually a point for them being town, and their reads being floppy in the process isn't something far off their town meta if I'm not mistaken.
It could also have been strategic shitposting though. As both of them voting rayn would have guaranteed to the others that at least 1 mafia was on him, and possibly changed the votes to one of them, especially FF who was under flak from Damdred and Malongo.
I think that FF and BM are almost always scum together here, which would be #team 1 . Or Damdred + either one of them. One of the reasons I see FF + Damdred as a possibility is the read change here which I would like to see explained from him here:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 25 2017 10:09 Damdred wrote:
No I said I kinda wanted to lynch rayn today. I might be willing to do ff as well.
Like I think rayn+ff makes sense.
But I don't want mal lynched so we need to move together now and mal needs to come with us On February 25 2017 10:19 Damdred wrote:
Well we have 10-12 minutes to figure out a good lynch then.
Ff is possible but idk.
Rayn hasn't really cared to much today when mafia palmar had him in his sites (to him)
Are you 100% sold on vivax being town mal? On February 25 2017 11:00 Damdred wrote:
Honestly it's probably vivax plus one.
Like I understand you are funneled on ff. Bm well I can understand arguments about his usefulness, and his two deal votes.
But today we were extremely limited due to how votes were. So yeah, just explain in detail why ff is 100% scum to me besides he has crap reasons for voting you. Or include them to I just want to see you make a case on him.
The other option is Palmar + Damdred mafia, # team 2. There seems to be a fair amount of distance between the two as so far in this game Damdred worked his own corners for the most part and put away Palmar vs rayn as TvT, initially.
But for #team 2 I might want to do another revisit as this was mostly my impression.
I also think that today, unless one scum is above suspicion which for me at least isn't be the case as I don't have any firm townread at the moment, the mafia are most likely to have one of them on their suggested team while preferencing the other slightly more.
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