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sharkie
Austria18440 Posts
On February 14 2017 15:35 Grackaroni wrote: I just feel like that you guys are scum reading me because I was questioning your alignment. spyreading rtani also killed your credibility imo - I still don't know how that made any sense. I totally agree with vivax as you are definitely resistance. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On February 14 2017 15:41 sharkie wrote: spyreading rtani also killed your credibility imo - I still don't know how that made any sense. I totally agree with vivax as you are definitely resistance. It just made sense to me for the Vivax scum scenario. it seemed like kind of a stretch to suggest that Vivax would propose an all town mission and risk Artanis being put in as the 4th member for the next team. Vivax proposed the mission but Artanisoul was the one that stuck up for you being town. | ||
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Silverika
United States231 Posts
Where's your scumread of him for townreading those that townread him grack? Oh right. He's townreading and defending you, so you aren't gonna go there. But you'll go after us because we aren't townreading you. But your way of doing it is to take potshots. -I think they are spy manipulating everyone's emotions -They always scumread those that scumread them, I don't want to deal with their crap and any crap they throw at me if I scumread them. -I couldn't deal with their crap last game either These are potshots designed to put me on the defensive and do nothing to figure out my alignment. This is why I can't townread you. BTW-If you think I'm not gonna look at motive when people turn on us after townreading us all game with no good reasoning behind it, then I don't know what to tell you. Spy's pretty much have to force us off the next mission in order to win. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18440 Posts
On February 14 2017 16:02 Silverika wrote: Holy crap, rtani soul said sharkie was town-sharkie hard townread rtanit soul and defended him the rest of the game. Grack hard townreads sharkie, he suddenly hard townreads grack and sticks up for him the rest of the game. Where's your scumread of him for townreading those that townread him grack? Oh right. He's townreading and defending you, so you aren't gonna go there. But you'll go after us because we aren't townreading you. But your way of doing it is to take potshots. -I think they are spy manipulating everyone's emotions -They always scumread those that scumread them, I don't want to deal with their crap and any crap they throw at me if I scumread them. -I couldn't deal with their crap last game either These are potshots designed to put me on the defensive and do nothing to figure out my alignment. This is why I can't townread you. BTW-If you think I'm not gonna look at motive when people turn on us after townreading us all game with no good reasoning behind it, then I don't know what to tell you. Spy's pretty much have to force us off the next mission in order to win. I have never hard townread rtani nor defended him most of the game... I did hardtownread Grack before he even posted the vivax/rtani theory. You could at least remember things correctly before you use me as an example. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18440 Posts
On February 14 2017 16:06 sharkie wrote: I have never hard townread rtani nor defended him most of the game... I did hardtownread Grack before he even posted the vivax/rtani theory. You could at least remember things correctly before you use me as an example. Well I did hard townread rtani but that has been since the start of the game. Back then when everyone suspected me of a spy. But I never defended him | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
7/8 players in this game aren't town reading me. Straight up, I do like that Sharkie is defending me. I think this is how things should have been interpreted: On February 09 2017 16:38 sharkie wrote: That is true. I cannot give you negative points for something Grack had asked you to link. I am just a player who goes into The resistance with a clean plate all the time. I look how players play THIS game and don't think of old games at all. So each time one of you mention that vivax is not the sort of player to do "X" my suspicion of him grows. Because what would be the best play as a spy? Exactly, play like you have never played before. That throws you off completely. I wish I had the assistance of players who have clean slates like me to help analyse vivax. From a neutral point of view everything Grack has said makes complete sense to me and is not the play of a spy. My biggest point in favour of Grack is: he defended me (that I don't care about personally) and accused a completely new combination of spies (rtani + vivax). Why should any spy do that? He could have just joined the cool guys (silver and vivax) into bullying sharkie and rt as spies and just enjoy his status as top resistance player. But he didn't do that! No way any spy would ever do such a play. That is self suicidal. You really expect a seasoned player like Grack to 1) Don't fail the first mission to gain credibility in order to prepare for a bigger con. -> Yes, absolutely. That is very good spy play!! 2) After 1, throw everything into the wind and go defend sharkie and accuse vivax/RT -> No way in hell, not even a n00b player would do that. I'm in a difficult situation of having to find one of you/Sharkie/Vivax as spy. None of you seem all that likely scum to me. You can look at motive for trying to kick you off the mission. I'm telling you right now though that this current mission is going to fail. So we should start looking at who the spy is on this team RIGHT NOW. | ||
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Silverika
United States231 Posts
But if you start taking pot shots at us before the mission even has a conclusion one way or another, then that's not gonna look too good for you. Vivax did the same thing by saying if we aren't a spy, it passes. If Vivax is a spy, he's trying to give himself cover and I already said how I hated his no vote. That's additional cover if he needs it. I don't like being set up as the scapegoat by either one of you for the exact reason I said-spies have to keep silverika off the next mission if they want to win. That's the spy motivation for trying to discredit us in any way they can. So yeah, I'm gonna be all over that. If you don't like it when someone plays aggressive, that's not my problem. It's mafia and we don't all play alike. We are also human with emotions that are gonna flare. I'm tired, I'm sick of this game, I'm human and not some robot, I do get defensive when people insult my play because I feel like this game and the newbie game I put so much freaking effort in and to just have it be blown off as well, they just scumread those that scumread them and that's it, is insulting my effort. If you think we are a spy, say so and say why. I have done that with every one of my reads and if I haven't, just ask and I'll clarify. And yeah, I stopped signing because ika has pretty much completely lost interest in this game so it's me or nothing. | ||
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Silverika
United States231 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18440 Posts
That is what I meant earlier. When someone talks back to you, they are automatically shady for you. | ||
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Silverika
United States231 Posts
On February 14 2017 16:25 sharkie wrote: I don't know how often I have to keep saying it silver but not once in the whole game have I ever thrown shade at you nor spyread you nor done anything to discredit you or your play. That is what I meant earlier. When someone talks back to you, they are automatically shady for you. -Stop using meta to read people-that's bad, wrong, etc. -Stop using WIFOM arguments to read people-that's bad, wrong etc. ^^ From the wisdom of sharkie^^ As far as that last line, if you have a point about our alignment, make it. Otherwise, just stop with the following grack around like a puppy and agreeing with everything he says. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
You do put a lot of effort into the game. I just don't like the accusations that get directed towards me. I get that my accusation is annoying because I'm basing it off of other people's play. I'm just baffled that one of you guys is playing so well. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On February 14 2017 16:25 Silverika wrote: Also, grack when I said I didn't understand your read progression, you said you weren't gonna read the scumgames you asked for that I provided and got snippy with us but never addressed our concerns. I got pissy. I can read the scum games. I wasn't able to find the filter system but w/e. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18440 Posts
On February 14 2017 16:25 Silverika wrote: Also, grack when I said I didn't understand your read progression, you said you weren't gonna read the scumgames you asked for that I provided and got snippy with us but never addressed our concerns. I agreed back with you that that was not ok from Grack... On February 14 2017 16:29 Silverika wrote: -Stop using meta to read people-that's bad, wrong, etc. -Stop using WIFOM arguments to read people-that's bad, wrong etc. ^^ From the wisdom of sharkie^^ As far as that last line, if you have a point about our alignment, make it. Otherwise, just stop with the following grack around like a puppy and agreeing with everything he says. I have disagreed with Grack plenty of times. Rtani is the only player I did not have discussions with... | ||
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Silverika
United States231 Posts
On February 14 2017 16:32 Grackaroni wrote: I got pissy. I can read the scum games. I wasn't able to find the filter system but w/e. The site doesn't have a filther system unless you get tampermoneky add on and then add the script that enables an ISO function -ika | ||
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Silverika
United States231 Posts
SPIES HAVE TO KEEP SILVERIKA OFF THE NEXT MISSION IN ORDER TO WIN This is what is going through my mind right now. If we want to win, we have to put a stop to it. I'm tempted to just say fine, keep us off, but that gives the spies a better chance to get two of them on there to fail it twice. I will seriously think it's Vivax if the mission fails anyway because he's the only common denominator from the failed missions besides us and we know we are town. There's many times I read you grack and go, shit he's town, but I also have to look at sharkie and there's no way he's a spy, so then I look at Vivax and I see zero spy motivation to put an all town team through and hope that the next one will have a spy on it. That's so super risky. So I go, PoE, plus grack has jumped around a lot on his reads without a lot of explanation. Maybe it's him. Then you say you aren't gonna read our scumgames and cop an attitude with us when we call you out. Vivax has explained everything he's thinking very logically without emotion. Hell, that could be a scumtell right there. Maybe town are the emotional ones. At this point, I'm sick of the game and so is ika so I don't know how much more energy I have left to fight. But ika doesn't want to take over because he's apathetic and works overnights so....................here we are. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18440 Posts
SPIES HAVE TO KEEP SILVERIKA OFF THE NEXT MISSION IN ORDER TO WIN | ||
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Silverika
United States231 Posts
On February 14 2017 16:44 sharkie wrote: I back this 100%: SPIES HAVE TO KEEP SILVERIKA OFF THE NEXT MISSION IN ORDER TO WIN Your intention goading is not helpful either. I mean typos it should be the same thoughts should it not? -ika | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
Because I'm even wavering on him. But I'm in the same position as you. Sharkie is playing an extremely good game for a new scum player. You guys are active and seem townie, but I think there's potential that you guys are just strong scum players. Vivax putting through an all town mission just doesn't seem all that likely. I don't think I would jump around with my reads this much as scum. It's a lot of work to fake. | ||
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Silverika
United States231 Posts
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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