EPTOn February 05 2017 17:02 RtaniSoul wrote:
Silver, why Vivax over us?
Silver, why Vivax over us?
Do you have a problem with this team selection, and I'd so who do you have a problem with and why?
~SilverWolf77
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Silverika
United States231 Posts
Do you have a problem with this team selection, and I'd so who do you have a problem with and why? ~SilverWolf77 | ||
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Silverika
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RtaniSoul
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he either nominated an all-town team (not a likely scum move), or there is probably at most one scum on there. find it unlikely we're either all wrong on two of the three or, wilder, vivax is scum with two on there. plus we're more comfortable with him than the rest that remain anyway @super...meh. thought maybe your answer would better help us read you -_- @viva...i dunnae about your confirmed grack/silver theory. maybe. i guess the reason i dunnae is we wouldn't have insta-assumed sharkie. he's my gut response but i wouldn't put it past grack to fool me sooooo it wouldn't have been insta sharkie!scum for us if the mission failed. (and personally i'd prob wonder about silver, too, but not go with it cause at some point you have to stop doubting every little thing or you get nowhere). maybe we're the only players who don't think we're infallible gods in this game though xP it matters more about sharkie's perception than reality, i suppose long version of saying you're probably right but i'm mildly uncomfortable with an assumption that could kick us in the teeth if you declare players conf town and never revisit best case scenario none of this matters lol >< and by adding you or us to the mission we've already won the game now we're just gonna go and mope about people somehow still not trusting us :/ carry on lol >< | ||
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RtaniSoul
552 Posts
On February 05 2017 17:30 Silverika wrote: Do you have a problem with this team selection, and I'd so who do you have a problem with and why? ~SilverWolf77 well i mean, we know we're town, so obviously for us that will always be the best choice here but apart from the obvious it's mostly ego :/ hard not to go but but we're so obviously town! how can we not even be top four in y'all's eyes? but we'll get over it lol >< | ||
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RtaniSoul
552 Posts
On February 05 2017 17:30 Silverika wrote: Do you have a problem with this team selection, and I'd so who do you have a problem with and why? ~SilverWolf77 also, we would like to know why. just for the record | ||
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Silverika
United States231 Posts
On February 05 2017 17:43 RtaniSoul wrote: well i mean, we know we're town, so obviously for us that will always be the best choice here but apart from the obvious it's mostly ego :/ hard not to go but but we're so obviously town! how can we not even be top four in y'all's eyes? but we'll get over it lol >< I already knew if the mission passed, I'd send the same 3 plus 1 other person. It isn't a matter of being top 4 but a matter of fact, that the previous team passed the mission. It would be pretty hard for a scum sharkie to fail the mission without getting a shit ton of suspicion but it would be harder still for scum on this mission not to sabatoge knowing it would put them at a disadvantage. I mean, if there's one scum on here, they could hope to go on the next one, sabotage it, and then try to throw suspicion on someone else, but that's something we can analyze at that time. Also, Grack and Vivax are townreading each other and have a good history of being able to read each other. I want them on a mission together for this reason and the fact that Grack was on a passed mission and Vivax kept himself off it even though he nominated it. Vivax is a strong townread for us because he didn't put himself on a mission, which I see zero spy motivation for when you can easily put yourself on as team leader with no suspicion. And, he kept a hard townread on us all game which again makes it hard for me to see scum motivation because we are coming up next as a team leader and he's forcing us to choose a team after one passes. Then you have to look at the fact he said Grack and us were confirmed after this. What spy in their right mind would confirm two people as town when they need to get at least one of their three members on this mission in order to avoid losing the game outright? ~SilverWolf77 | ||
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RtaniSoul
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thanks for answering could argue some of the logic there but it's not really important. if you're more comfortable with vivax, that's who you should go with | ||
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sharkie
Austria18574 Posts
On the selection of the 4th team member for the next team I'd rather want RTani on the team than Vivax. I trust him more and imo he has also done more for the play so he feels more resistance for me. Vivax is still a little weird for me as he has been accepted resistance too easily by too many people (so including spies) and I did not like that he did not send himself to the mission as I am a player who always sends himself to a mission - anyone who doesn't is kinda shady in my eyes. Also EC/Super are confirmed spies for me now as they did not like the passed mission. | ||
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Vivax
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If the mission fails now for example it will at first glance look as if I was the cause, but it could also have been sharkie only passing on his first mission. If you then settle for townreading me still, we still won't know if rtaniSoul would be a safe pick, you would only get the confirmation that sharkie isn't. Whereas with the mission failing with rtaniSoul on it along with me, I would know exactly who to blame for it  | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
Super's posts are a little weird but I feel good for being pretty much at the same place as me. Vivacious and silver look pretty solid. I think these 3 + me is my top team right now | ||
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Vivax
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On the other hand if sharkie was spy and didn't sabotage #1 they will attempt to frame the newcomer in#2 of being spy if it gets sabotaged. But it might turn up to be a bad plan so I'm leaving it up to you. I'm fine with both options. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On February 05 2017 19:15 sharkie wrote: Yay the mission passed! So this pretty much mean confirms that Grack and silver are resistance as they could have put the whole blame on me if they had been spies. This was also the aim of my post where I said that the spies had a win/win situation to further encourage a spy to sabotage the mission. So in my view both silver and Grack confirmed 100% resistance. On the selection of the 4th team member for the next team I'd rather want RTani on the team than Vivax. I trust him more and imo he has also done more for the play so he feels more resistance for me. Vivax is still a little weird for me as he has been accepted resistance too easily by too many people (so including spies) and I did not like that he did not send himself to the mission as I am a player who always sends himself to a mission - anyone who doesn't is kinda shady in my eyes. Also EC/Super are confirmed spies for me now as they did not like the passed mission. 1. This + vivacious logic is pretty solid I think on grack/silver so bump up to grack there 2. You were on vivax team, why would you approve if you feel weird about him not including himself? | ||
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RtaniSoul
552 Posts
On February 05 2017 21:09 Vivax wrote: It would probs be riskier but give more info if you swap out sharkie with rtanisoul. If the mission fails now for example it will at first glance look as if I was the cause, but it could also have been sharkie only passing on his first mission. If you then settle for townreading me still, we still won't know if rtaniSoul would be a safe pick, you would only get the confirmation that sharkie isn't. Whereas with the mission failing with rtaniSoul on it along with me, I would know exactly who to blame for it This really feels like a setup. What good could it possibly do to swap me with sharkie? A) You're presuming Grack and Silver aren't scum. For Silver I'm pretty sure you're right, for Grack I'm not exactly certain. B) You still wouldn't know anything about Sharkie and he'd probably end up in the next mission so it feels like you're delaying the inevitable It'd make more sense for me to be on the mission with sharkie given all the conspiracy theories floating about us are with sharkie anyway. There's no difference between two or no spies on this one. | ||
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RtaniSoul
552 Posts
in a world with a scum grack, or even a scum sharkie, you pulling this just really makes us wonder if we're right on our townread on you. just saying | ||
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Vivax
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So I'm trying to force a decision between you and me (in terms of alignment) in the eventuality of mission failure by requesting you to be on the team with me, along with two others who are very very likely resistance. It's pretty much the most sure way for me to be 100% on your alignment as I will be 100% convinced that you're spy if the mission fails. Besides I don't understand why you resist this suggestion so much if you are resistance and townreading me. According to your own beliefs, the mission should pass no? And since when did you become so waffly on Grack? | ||
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RtaniSoul
552 Posts
On February 06 2017 00:10 Vivax wrote: Grack isn't scum though as the suspicion would easily have fallen onto sharkie if he sabotaged. I'm really confident about this. So I'm trying to force a decision between you and me (in terms of alignment) in the eventuality of mission failure by requesting you to be on the team with me, along with two others who are very very likely resistance. It's pretty much the most sure way for me to be 100% on your alignment as I will be 100% convinced that you're spy if the mission fails. Besides I don't understand why you resist this suggestion so much if you are resistance and townreading me. According to your own beliefs, the mission should pass no? And since when did you become so waffly on Grack? you're sitting in your world of 'if this mission fails' then x,y,z we still think the most likely scenario is that all of sharkie, grack and silver are town. introducing you into that equation is a lesser certainty. for us we'd be happiest with us being added to the team instead of you xP | ||
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Vivax
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And since it's still a nomination that excludes emc/SL/superbia/TW, it's still a safe way to establish if we got sneakster spies or obvious spies. As the 4 above are the most distrusted ones in the game and this would clear at least one of them. | ||
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RtaniSoul
552 Posts
basically all four of you look pretty town to us -shrugs- it doesn't matter that much unless we're wrong. the problem is, if we ARE wrong, you're framing it like we're insta!scum, and we don't have a lot of faith that y'all will get all of the other five town right that's what it comes down to | ||
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Vivax
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On February 06 2017 00:14 RtaniSoul wrote: you're sitting in your world of 'if this mission fails' then x,y,z we still think the most likely scenario is that all of sharkie, grack and silver are town. introducing you into that equation is a lesser certainty. for us we'd be happiest with us being added to the team instead of you xP Well if that's your most likely scenario, why doesn't it take into consideration that it's a team I nominated? | ||
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RtaniSoul
552 Posts
On February 06 2017 00:17 Vivax wrote: It's my suggestion for gathering more information as, if the current nomination fails, most will be sure that sharkie is spy which writes 1 spy off. But if you are on it instead of him and it fails, there is the opportunity to write 2 spies off, only leaving you with 1 member to win the game. And since it's still a nomination that excludes emc/SL/superbia/TW, it's still a safe way to establish if we got sneakster spies or obvious spies. As the 4 above are the most distrusted ones in the game and this would clear at least one of them. So you believe there's no opportunity of us being scum without sharkie being scum, but believe there's a chance he's scum without us being scum, or why do you think you get more information with us on? | ||
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