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On February 06 2017 00:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2017 00:14 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 06 2017 00:10 Vivax wrote:
Grack isn't scum though as the suspicion would easily have fallen onto sharkie if he sabotaged. I'm really confident about this.
So I'm trying to force a decision between you and me (in terms of alignment) in the eventuality of mission failure by requesting you to be on the team with me, along with two others who are very very likely resistance. It's pretty much the most sure way for me to be 100% on your alignment as I will be 100% convinced that you're spy if the mission fails.
Besides I don't understand why you resist this suggestion so much if you are resistance and townreading me. According to your own beliefs, the mission should pass no? And since when did you become so waffly on Grack? you're sitting in your world of 'if this mission fails' then x,y,z we still think the most likely scenario is that all of sharkie, grack and silver are town. introducing you into that equation is a lesser certainty. for us we'd be happiest with us being added to the team instead of you xP Well if that's your most likely scenario, why doesn't it take into consideration that it's a team I nominated?
It doesn't make you confirmed town. Obviously you'd know how good it makes you look when the team passes. We're talking about the situation in which we're wrong. Believe it or not, we're more certain we're town than that we're certain that you're town.
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Anyway, we have guests over so we're gonna stop being antisocial now >> talk later
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On February 05 2017 21:35 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2017 19:15 sharkie wrote:
Yay the mission passed! So this pretty much mean confirms that Grack and silver are resistance as they could have put the whole blame on me if they had been spies. This was also the aim of my post where I said that the spies had a win/win situation to further encourage a spy to sabotage the mission. So in my view both silver and Grack confirmed 100% resistance.
On the selection of the 4th team member for the next team I'd rather want RTani on the team than Vivax. I trust him more and imo he has also done more for the play so he feels more resistance for me. Vivax is still a little weird for me as he has been accepted resistance too easily by too many people (so including spies) and I did not like that he did not send himself to the mission as I am a player who always sends himself to a mission - anyone who doesn't is kinda shady in my eyes.
Also EC/Super are confirmed spies for me now as they did not like the passed mission. 1. This + vivacious logic is pretty solid I think on grack/silver so bump up to grack there 2. You were on vivax team, why would you approve if you feel weird about him not including himself?
That's easy. It had three resistance guys on it and none of my suspects for spies.
On February 05 2017 21:27 Vivax wrote:
In other words, we can afford to use the next mission to put someone in who needs to be cleared of being spy as not sabotaging it only gives them one more attempt and we can expect that no spy in their right mind will let this pass.
On the other hand if sharkie was spy and didn't sabotage #1 they will attempt to frame the newcomer in#2 of being spy if it gets sabotaged.
But it might turn up to be a bad plan so I'm leaving it up to you. I'm fine with both options.
Oh so it has turned out to be that if we get a fail and the team is silver/grack/sharkie/vivax -> sharkie is the spy and if the team is silver/grack/vivax/RT -> RT is the spy?
You make it very easy for you heh. Really starting to think SL is a good guy accused wrongly.
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We aren't gonna change the team at this point. We are putting the original 3 that passed the mission there, and not only one of our strongest town reads, but also gracks strongest town read because he was on the original mission and we town read him. Unless someone has a compelling reason to believe Vivax is scum, this is an autowin for us at this point. If sharkie is scum who passed the first mission, his hand would be forced by at least the third mission. If hes town, we just send same team and we win.
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I get the point sharkie is making that vivax is setting up a scenario where he can frame Rtani Soul and fail the mission but my counter to that is, he could just leave it as is, and fail it and blame sharkie.
So I don't think it's that cut and dry and Vivax is suddenly pulling out all the stops as a spy.
I think Rtani Soul not liking the Vivax, Grack, us, them is a little more suspect because they'd have a hard time failing it if they are a spy, with this team because they wouldn't have sharkie to blame and they'd have a tough time blaming anyone else if it failed.
~SilverWolf77
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On February 05 2017 21:27 Vivax wrote:
In other words, we can afford to use the next mission to put someone in who needs to be cleared of being spy as not sabotaging it only gives them one more attempt and we can expect that no spy in their right mind will let this pass.
On the other hand if sharkie was spy and didn't sabotage #1 they will attempt to frame the newcomer in#2 of being spy if it gets sabotaged.
But it might turn up to be a bad plan so I'm leaving it up to you. I'm fine with both options.
sup?
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On February 06 2017 01:49 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2017 21:35 emperorchampion wrote:On February 05 2017 19:15 sharkie wrote:
Yay the mission passed! So this pretty much mean confirms that Grack and silver are resistance as they could have put the whole blame on me if they had been spies. This was also the aim of my post where I said that the spies had a win/win situation to further encourage a spy to sabotage the mission. So in my view both silver and Grack confirmed 100% resistance.
On the selection of the 4th team member for the next team I'd rather want RTani on the team than Vivax. I trust him more and imo he has also done more for the play so he feels more resistance for me. Vivax is still a little weird for me as he has been accepted resistance too easily by too many people (so including spies) and I did not like that he did not send himself to the mission as I am a player who always sends himself to a mission - anyone who doesn't is kinda shady in my eyes.
Also EC/Super are confirmed spies for me now as they did not like the passed mission. 1. This + vivacious logic is pretty solid I think on grack/silver so bump up to grack there 2. You were on vivax team, why would you approve if you feel weird about him not including himself? That's easy. It had three resistance guys on it and none of my suspects for spies. Show nested quote +On February 05 2017 21:27 Vivax wrote:
In other words, we can afford to use the next mission to put someone in who needs to be cleared of being spy as not sabotaging it only gives them one more attempt and we can expect that no spy in their right mind will let this pass.
On the other hand if sharkie was spy and didn't sabotage #1 they will attempt to frame the newcomer in#2 of being spy if it gets sabotaged.
But it might turn up to be a bad plan so I'm leaving it up to you. I'm fine with both options. Oh so it has turned out to be that if we get a fail and the team is silver/grack/sharkie/vivax -> sharkie is the spy and if the team is silver/grack/vivax/RT -> RT is the spy? You make it very easy for you heh. Really starting to think SL is a good guy accused wrongly.
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On February 05 2017 19:15 sharkie wrote:
Yay the mission passed! So this pretty much mean confirms that Grack and silver are resistance as they could have put the whole blame on me if they had been spies. This was also the aim of my post where I said that the spies had a win/win situation to further encourage a spy to sabotage the mission. So in my view both silver and Grack confirmed 100% resistance.
On the selection of the 4th team member for the next team I'd rather want RTani on the team than Vivax. I trust him more and imo he has also done more for the play so he feels more resistance for me. Vivax is still a little weird for me as he has been accepted resistance too easily by too many people (so including spies) and I did not like that he did not send himself to the mission as I am a player who always sends himself to a mission - anyone who doesn't is kinda shady in my eyes.
Also EC/Super are confirmed spies for me now as they did not like the passed mission.
why do you think town would definitely accept the mission?
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On February 06 2017 01:56 Silverika wrote:
I get the point sharkie is making that vivax is setting up a scenario where he can frame Rtani Soul and fail the mission but my counter to that is, he could just leave it as is, and fail it and blame sharkie.
So I don't think it's that cut and dry and Vivax is suddenly pulling out all the stops as a spy.
I think Rtani Soul not liking the Vivax, Grack, us, them is a little more suspect because they'd have a hard time failing it if they are a spy, with this team because they wouldn't have sharkie to blame and they'd have a tough time blaming anyone else if it failed.
~SilverWolf77
i actually agree that there's not much reason for a possible scum vivax to play this way, which is why i'm fine with his suggestion. i think any team with a combo of the original three, us and vivax is a good idea
if the mission goes through then is sabotaged, we'll work it from there
our issue is not with the suggestion so much as the blind bullheadedness vivax is displaying. most likely it won't be a problem though, so whatevs. as long as it's between us five, silver, you've got our blessing ^^
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On February 06 2017 01:56 Silverika wrote:
I get the point sharkie is making that vivax is setting up a scenario where he can frame Rtani Soul and fail the mission but my counter to that is, he could just leave it as is, and fail it and blame sharkie.
So I don't think it's that cut and dry and Vivax is suddenly pulling out all the stops as a spy.
I think Rtani Soul not liking the Vivax, Grack, us, them is a little more suspect because they'd have a hard time failing it if they are a spy, with this team because they wouldn't have sharkie to blame and they'd have a tough time blaming anyone else if it failed.
~SilverWolf77
You can't really use that as counter as Vivax would be in the team if his suggestion is followed or not... He has nothing to lose there. All he does is causing confusion and setting up more unknown variables we really don't need.
I'd just feel way safer if RT was in the team than vivax. I don't share the same feeling as you and RT do about him. But on the other hand I don't think Grack is worthy of suspicion (RT's thoughts) just because vivax is covering him.
On February 06 2017 02:46 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2017 19:15 sharkie wrote:
Yay the mission passed! So this pretty much mean confirms that Grack and silver are resistance as they could have put the whole blame on me if they had been spies. This was also the aim of my post where I said that the spies had a win/win situation to further encourage a spy to sabotage the mission. So in my view both silver and Grack confirmed 100% resistance.
On the selection of the 4th team member for the next team I'd rather want RTani on the team than Vivax. I trust him more and imo he has also done more for the play so he feels more resistance for me. Vivax is still a little weird for me as he has been accepted resistance too easily by too many people (so including spies) and I did not like that he did not send himself to the mission as I am a player who always sends himself to a mission - anyone who doesn't is kinda shady in my eyes.
Also EC/Super are confirmed spies for me now as they did not like the passed mission. why do you think town would definitely accept the mission?
Because 2/3 are big resistance possibilities? Did Super ever explain why he voted nay on this mission?
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Mission #2 - Nomination #1
Team Leader Silverika has nominated the following team members to participate in Mission #2: Grackaroni, sharkie, Silverika, Vivax. Please vote by PM to all hosts with ##approve or ##reject.
Voting phase for this nomination ends on Monday, Feb 06 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
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On February 06 2017 01:56 Silverika wrote:
I get the point sharkie is making that vivax is setting up a scenario where he can frame Rtani Soul and fail the mission but my counter to that is, he could just leave it as is, and fail it and blame sharkie.
So I don't think it's that cut and dry and Vivax is suddenly pulling out all the stops as a spy.
I think Rtani Soul not liking the Vivax, Grack, us, them is a little more suspect because they'd have a hard time failing it if they are a spy, with this team because they wouldn't have sharkie to blame and they'd have a tough time blaming anyone else if it failed.
~SilverWolf77
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My suggestion is competely unnecessary to make as spy, it's simply logical that the entire purpose of it is to see if the mission fails with rtanisoul on it as if it fails with sharkie on it, we still have 2 more spies to find.
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I have no idea why everyone loves me so much this game.
Vivax's idea makes sense to me from his perspective. If he's super confident that Silver & I are town then he can use the team as a cop check on Rtanisoul, which would more or less solve the game for him.
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On February 06 2017 14:18 Grackaroni wrote:
I have no idea why everyone loves me so much this game.
Vivax's idea makes sense to me from his perspective. If he's super confident that Silver & I are town then he can use the team as a cop check on Rtanisoul, which would more or less solve the game for him.
And I have no idea why you are deemed the king of shitposts. I like your style, it just lacks the humour you had back in GoT mafia.
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On February 06 2017 14:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2017 14:18 Grackaroni wrote:
I have no idea why everyone loves me so much this game.
Vivax's idea makes sense to me from his perspective. If he's super confident that Silver & I are town then he can use the team as a cop check on Rtanisoul, which would more or less solve the game for him. And I have no idea why you are deemed the king of shitposts. I like your style, it just lacks the humour you had back in GoT mafia.
If the king of shit posts is from Coag in the community thread referencing my omgus game then that was pretty accurate.
But I also plagiarized heavily.
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So if we aren't allowed to discuss how we are going to vote what should we talk about? ^^
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Silver, what happened to your #1 town read on me?
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Sharkie, as someone who has played resistance before; why is all your stuff so unnecessarily straightforward?
I.e. why do you assume everything is as it appears (e.g. the prev team being all town) and everyone who voted against it must be mafia?
Also, what do you make of the rsatanis town read on you?
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Has anyone checked if reads line up with yay voters on the last team btw?
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Seems decently important. ;p
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