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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 13:58 GMT
#565
Rels, that's his last scumgame. Meta analysis is pointless unless you can point to how a guy plays as BOTH mafia and town.

It seems like Slam had an unusually high standard of posting last game as town. That's all that is.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:06 GMT
#568
On Holyflare:
On January 17 2017 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
I'll draw you a pretty picture of where I'm at when I finish work.

Hapa how come you think I'm mafia when my list of potential mafia are everyone you've been calling out? Ls, you've said he starts to fit damdred's meta of being lazy but never follow that up further and "at a stretch" he's not even in your list of, now 3, mafia suspects.

You wanted to lynch damdred for what reason? That he's playing the same as you and that's it?

Onegu? Not doing anything?

Me? Not pushing stuff?

This list of people is incredibly superficial and you have no actual reasons, despite there being ACTUAL reasons to scum read these people or town read them.


Missing the point.

Me and a lot of other people this game have had problems finding suspicious people. Ergo, lynch lurkers.
You apparently think everyone is mafia. Ergo... lynch lurkers?

Very much not the same. I and others have reached my conclusions based on how lost we have felt with the game. You are seemingly sitting on a trove of information and leads and are not doing anything wiht them. Ergo, mafia.

Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be. You may not know that but if you're town he's playing the exact same way you're criticising 3 (and include yourself) people for. What made him mafia over everyone else? Why ignore the LS meta read that damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia? Then there's also him just rolling with the thread/whatever I have said, ignoring his meta read on ls being wrong multiple times and the afk excuse that just pops up out of nowhere.

None of the above feature in your thoughts whatsoever (maybe 1 does) but you never bother pushing it or enquiring more or conversing with other people. You're not thinking critically about the game, you're throwing out names of people for lazy/low activity/no content and hoping something sticks.


What the actual fuck does Damdred have to do anything with? How in the actual fuck does the bolded make any sense towards me being mafia?

I had my vote on Damdred. I didn't' like it. I posted in detail at the top of 26 why. Then I voted you because I'm more suspicious of you.

And how do you call me mafia for throwing out lazy/low activity names AFTER I MAKE MY CASE ON YOU?!!

You are not this thick as town.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:10 GMT
#571
Rels, I too can make a list of "shitty town reads" you have provided the thread and call you mafia. Your filter is "full of them." But that would make me a bad and superficial player.

What you call "forced posting" is me being lost, and trying anything to get someone to talk in an inactive game. No shit that will sound forced. No shit the questions will not be pretty.

Why don't you talk to me about my non-forced case on HolyFlare instead? I get the impression you're not actually paying attention to anything that me and Holyflare have actually been saying over the past 2 pages.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:12 GMT
#573
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:

1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:13 GMT
#575
This

2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.

Should read

2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE unlike mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:14 GMT
#576
On January 17 2017 23:13 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 23:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Why don't you talk to me about my non-forced case on HolyFlare instead? I get the impression you're not actually paying attention to anything that me and Holyflare have actually been saying over the past 2 pages.

I read your case. I talked about it. I feel the opposite. HF having "too many scumreads" and being lazy about them don't make him scum. I don't feel like he's faking it.


You realize that you're speaking about one of the better town players on this site, right?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:15 GMT
#578
Like FFS, you're holding Slam to a higher standard than Holyflare. What the fuck is wrong with you?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:23 GMT
#583
[QUOTE]On January 17 2017 23:18 Vivax wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 17 2017 23:12 Hapahauli wrote:
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:

1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia. [/QUOTE]

So what if HF is mafia? Do you really put any weight whatsoever behind that vote on Damdred that doesn't say anything about either of them even if one flips?[Quote]

Explain?

[Quote]And I don't know how you think mafia can't be pulling the strings somewhere, cause I was believing you were on the table for them, but posts like this do make me wonder.[/Quote]

This town's activity is on life support. Damdred is the lynch of least resistance.

[Quote]The roll over reaction is contrary to what HF said not like town Damdred and is anyway, a very narrow perspective. The main point is still that Damdred doesn't seem to have any interest in scumhunting and the drive to solve the game is what differentiates town from mafia. Looking at a single reaction is mediocre at best.[/QUOTE]

I get the impression from Damdred's filter that he is lost. Not that he isn't trying. Again, finding ANYTHING worth posting about on this early Day 1 was extremely difficult. If I were posting my unfiltered mind on Day 1, it would end up a lot like Damdred's filter.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:23 GMT
#584
Oh god that post is an abortion.

On January 17 2017 23:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 23:12 Hapahauli wrote:
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:

1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia.


So what if HF is mafia? Do you really put any weight whatsoever behind that vote on Damdred that doesn't say anything about either of them even if one flips?


Explain?

And I don't know how you think mafia can't be pulling the strings somewhere, cause I was believing you were on the table for them, but posts like this do make me wonder.


This town's activity is on life support. Damdred is the lynch of least resistance.

The roll over reaction is contrary to what HF said not like town Damdred and is anyway, a very narrow perspective. The main point is still that Damdred doesn't seem to have any interest in scumhunting and the drive to solve the game is what differentiates town from mafia. Looking at a single reaction is mediocre at best.


I get the impression from Damdred's filter that he is lost. Not that he isn't trying. Again, finding ANYTHING worth posting about on this early Day 1 was extremely difficult. If I were posting my unfiltered mind on Day 1, it would end up a lot like Damdred's filter.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:24 GMT
#585
On January 17 2017 23:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most

This is such a convulated read to have.


It's almost like HF is mafia throwing shade at everything he can in that post and seeing what sticks.

It's almost like that's a fucking mafia tell.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:27 GMT
#587
From my experience: when a good player (Holyflare) is picking the most bullshit reasoning to call the player you (Rels) are tunneling (Hapa) mafia, that's a pretty large red flag.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:28 GMT
#590
STOP. GIVING. OUT. SHITTY. TOWN-TELLS. THAT. ARE. MEANINGLESS.

MEANINGLESS!
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:29 GMT
#591
On January 17 2017 23:27 Rels wrote:
But at the same time HF is voting Damdred just after that post. When he just criticized Hapa for scumreading Damdred without scumreading LS



DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING

WINARRRRRRRR
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:33 GMT
#593
This is HolyFlare's story:

a) HF is suspicious of the entire thread.
b) HF sees myself (hapa) and Vivax vote Damdred.
c) HF is lazy, votes Damdred, and "sees where it goes."
d) HF sees a case against him in the morning, attacks the player who made the case because he hated that player's vote on Damdred, despite HF having made the exact same vote?!?!?

From HF himself:
Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be. You may not know that but if you're town he's playing the exact same way you're criticising 3 (and include yourself) people for. What made him mafia over everyone else? Why ignore the LS meta read that damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia? Then there's also him just rolling with the thread/whatever I have said, ignoring his meta read on ls being wrong multiple times and the afk excuse that just pops up out of nowhere.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:34 GMT
#595
It's fucking hypocritical-ception.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:36 GMT
#596
My schedule today:

I'll be around for another half hour. Then driving my dad to the hospital for an appointment. I'll be back around 10:45est ish, and will be in thread until deadline.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:41 GMT
#600
On January 17 2017 23:36 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 23:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh god that post is an abortion.

On January 17 2017 23:18 Vivax wrote:
On January 17 2017 23:12 Hapahauli wrote:
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:

1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia.


So what if HF is mafia? Do you really put any weight whatsoever behind that vote on Damdred that doesn't say anything about either of them even if one flips?


Explain?

And I don't know how you think mafia can't be pulling the strings somewhere, cause I was believing you were on the table for them, but posts like this do make me wonder.


This town's activity is on life support. Damdred is the lynch of least resistance.

The roll over reaction is contrary to what HF said not like town Damdred and is anyway, a very narrow perspective. The main point is still that Damdred doesn't seem to have any interest in scumhunting and the drive to solve the game is what differentiates town from mafia. Looking at a single reaction is mediocre at best.


I get the impression from Damdred's filter that he is lost. Not that he isn't trying. Again, finding ANYTHING worth posting about on this early Day 1 was extremely difficult. If I were posting my unfiltered mind on Day 1, it would end up a lot like Damdred's filter.


Explain what? You are afraid that Damdred is HFs designated mislynch. How can you know for sure that HF isn't voting his scumbuddy off? Just, please don't use that method. It won't work with HF.


I'm being inarticulate. The point I've been trying to make is that I think Damdred is a coinflip at best.

And using the thread direction as indicator for whether the main lynch is town is also very dangerous. I use this almost only in lylo and then it doesn't lead me to conclusions, only to trying to dig other reads up and scramble the game around a bit if I feel like mafia is about to win.


I've used this many times successfully. It's worked for me pretty well as town. I've swung quite a few last-minute lynches on mafia in my time on TL, starting from gut feels about thread direction.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:43 GMT
#601
On January 17 2017 23:34 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most

This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK.
He votes Damdred after that.
He talks about Damdred without talking about LS:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 20:08 Holyflare wrote:
I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town.

It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards.


That works.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:45 GMT
#603
Not doing associations until someone actually flips.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:47 GMT
#604
I wouldn't mind talking about a mafia candidate independent of associative tells, though I'd much rather be full-on the lynch HF train.
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