• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:22
CET 18:22
KST 02:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy5ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool37Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains18
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win
Tourneys
World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ JaeDong's form before ASL [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos ASL21 General Discussion Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours Small VOD Thread 2.0 IPSL Spring 2026 is here!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2213 users

Liquidmania Qualifier #2 - Page 5

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 11 12 13 Next All
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 13:58 GMT
#565
Rels, that's his last scumgame. Meta analysis is pointless unless you can point to how a guy plays as BOTH mafia and town.

It seems like Slam had an unusually high standard of posting last game as town. That's all that is.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:06 GMT
#568
On Holyflare:
On January 17 2017 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
I'll draw you a pretty picture of where I'm at when I finish work.

Hapa how come you think I'm mafia when my list of potential mafia are everyone you've been calling out? Ls, you've said he starts to fit damdred's meta of being lazy but never follow that up further and "at a stretch" he's not even in your list of, now 3, mafia suspects.

You wanted to lynch damdred for what reason? That he's playing the same as you and that's it?

Onegu? Not doing anything?

Me? Not pushing stuff?

This list of people is incredibly superficial and you have no actual reasons, despite there being ACTUAL reasons to scum read these people or town read them.


Missing the point.

Me and a lot of other people this game have had problems finding suspicious people. Ergo, lynch lurkers.
You apparently think everyone is mafia. Ergo... lynch lurkers?

Very much not the same. I and others have reached my conclusions based on how lost we have felt with the game. You are seemingly sitting on a trove of information and leads and are not doing anything wiht them. Ergo, mafia.

Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be. You may not know that but if you're town he's playing the exact same way you're criticising 3 (and include yourself) people for. What made him mafia over everyone else? Why ignore the LS meta read that damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia? Then there's also him just rolling with the thread/whatever I have said, ignoring his meta read on ls being wrong multiple times and the afk excuse that just pops up out of nowhere.

None of the above feature in your thoughts whatsoever (maybe 1 does) but you never bother pushing it or enquiring more or conversing with other people. You're not thinking critically about the game, you're throwing out names of people for lazy/low activity/no content and hoping something sticks.


What the actual fuck does Damdred have to do anything with? How in the actual fuck does the bolded make any sense towards me being mafia?

I had my vote on Damdred. I didn't' like it. I posted in detail at the top of 26 why. Then I voted you because I'm more suspicious of you.

And how do you call me mafia for throwing out lazy/low activity names AFTER I MAKE MY CASE ON YOU?!!

You are not this thick as town.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:10 GMT
#571
Rels, I too can make a list of "shitty town reads" you have provided the thread and call you mafia. Your filter is "full of them." But that would make me a bad and superficial player.

What you call "forced posting" is me being lost, and trying anything to get someone to talk in an inactive game. No shit that will sound forced. No shit the questions will not be pretty.

Why don't you talk to me about my non-forced case on HolyFlare instead? I get the impression you're not actually paying attention to anything that me and Holyflare have actually been saying over the past 2 pages.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:12 GMT
#573
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:

1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:13 GMT
#575
This

2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.

Should read

2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE unlike mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:14 GMT
#576
On January 17 2017 23:13 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 23:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Why don't you talk to me about my non-forced case on HolyFlare instead? I get the impression you're not actually paying attention to anything that me and Holyflare have actually been saying over the past 2 pages.

I read your case. I talked about it. I feel the opposite. HF having "too many scumreads" and being lazy about them don't make him scum. I don't feel like he's faking it.


You realize that you're speaking about one of the better town players on this site, right?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:15 GMT
#578
Like FFS, you're holding Slam to a higher standard than Holyflare. What the fuck is wrong with you?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:23 GMT
#583
[QUOTE]On January 17 2017 23:18 Vivax wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 17 2017 23:12 Hapahauli wrote:
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:

1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia. [/QUOTE]

So what if HF is mafia? Do you really put any weight whatsoever behind that vote on Damdred that doesn't say anything about either of them even if one flips?[Quote]

Explain?

[Quote]And I don't know how you think mafia can't be pulling the strings somewhere, cause I was believing you were on the table for them, but posts like this do make me wonder.[/Quote]

This town's activity is on life support. Damdred is the lynch of least resistance.

[Quote]The roll over reaction is contrary to what HF said not like town Damdred and is anyway, a very narrow perspective. The main point is still that Damdred doesn't seem to have any interest in scumhunting and the drive to solve the game is what differentiates town from mafia. Looking at a single reaction is mediocre at best.[/QUOTE]

I get the impression from Damdred's filter that he is lost. Not that he isn't trying. Again, finding ANYTHING worth posting about on this early Day 1 was extremely difficult. If I were posting my unfiltered mind on Day 1, it would end up a lot like Damdred's filter.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:23 GMT
#584
Oh god that post is an abortion.

On January 17 2017 23:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 23:12 Hapahauli wrote:
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:

1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia.


So what if HF is mafia? Do you really put any weight whatsoever behind that vote on Damdred that doesn't say anything about either of them even if one flips?


Explain?

And I don't know how you think mafia can't be pulling the strings somewhere, cause I was believing you were on the table for them, but posts like this do make me wonder.


This town's activity is on life support. Damdred is the lynch of least resistance.

The roll over reaction is contrary to what HF said not like town Damdred and is anyway, a very narrow perspective. The main point is still that Damdred doesn't seem to have any interest in scumhunting and the drive to solve the game is what differentiates town from mafia. Looking at a single reaction is mediocre at best.


I get the impression from Damdred's filter that he is lost. Not that he isn't trying. Again, finding ANYTHING worth posting about on this early Day 1 was extremely difficult. If I were posting my unfiltered mind on Day 1, it would end up a lot like Damdred's filter.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:24 GMT
#585
On January 17 2017 23:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most

This is such a convulated read to have.


It's almost like HF is mafia throwing shade at everything he can in that post and seeing what sticks.

It's almost like that's a fucking mafia tell.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:27 GMT
#587
From my experience: when a good player (Holyflare) is picking the most bullshit reasoning to call the player you (Rels) are tunneling (Hapa) mafia, that's a pretty large red flag.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:28 GMT
#590
STOP. GIVING. OUT. SHITTY. TOWN-TELLS. THAT. ARE. MEANINGLESS.

MEANINGLESS!
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:29 GMT
#591
On January 17 2017 23:27 Rels wrote:
But at the same time HF is voting Damdred just after that post. When he just criticized Hapa for scumreading Damdred without scumreading LS



DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING

WINARRRRRRRR
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:33 GMT
#593
This is HolyFlare's story:

a) HF is suspicious of the entire thread.
b) HF sees myself (hapa) and Vivax vote Damdred.
c) HF is lazy, votes Damdred, and "sees where it goes."
d) HF sees a case against him in the morning, attacks the player who made the case because he hated that player's vote on Damdred, despite HF having made the exact same vote?!?!?

From HF himself:
Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be. You may not know that but if you're town he's playing the exact same way you're criticising 3 (and include yourself) people for. What made him mafia over everyone else? Why ignore the LS meta read that damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia? Then there's also him just rolling with the thread/whatever I have said, ignoring his meta read on ls being wrong multiple times and the afk excuse that just pops up out of nowhere.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:34 GMT
#595
It's fucking hypocritical-ception.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:36 GMT
#596
My schedule today:

I'll be around for another half hour. Then driving my dad to the hospital for an appointment. I'll be back around 10:45est ish, and will be in thread until deadline.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:41 GMT
#600
On January 17 2017 23:36 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 23:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh god that post is an abortion.

On January 17 2017 23:18 Vivax wrote:
On January 17 2017 23:12 Hapahauli wrote:
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:

1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia.


So what if HF is mafia? Do you really put any weight whatsoever behind that vote on Damdred that doesn't say anything about either of them even if one flips?


Explain?

And I don't know how you think mafia can't be pulling the strings somewhere, cause I was believing you were on the table for them, but posts like this do make me wonder.


This town's activity is on life support. Damdred is the lynch of least resistance.

The roll over reaction is contrary to what HF said not like town Damdred and is anyway, a very narrow perspective. The main point is still that Damdred doesn't seem to have any interest in scumhunting and the drive to solve the game is what differentiates town from mafia. Looking at a single reaction is mediocre at best.


I get the impression from Damdred's filter that he is lost. Not that he isn't trying. Again, finding ANYTHING worth posting about on this early Day 1 was extremely difficult. If I were posting my unfiltered mind on Day 1, it would end up a lot like Damdred's filter.


Explain what? You are afraid that Damdred is HFs designated mislynch. How can you know for sure that HF isn't voting his scumbuddy off? Just, please don't use that method. It won't work with HF.


I'm being inarticulate. The point I've been trying to make is that I think Damdred is a coinflip at best.

And using the thread direction as indicator for whether the main lynch is town is also very dangerous. I use this almost only in lylo and then it doesn't lead me to conclusions, only to trying to dig other reads up and scramble the game around a bit if I feel like mafia is about to win.


I've used this many times successfully. It's worked for me pretty well as town. I've swung quite a few last-minute lynches on mafia in my time on TL, starting from gut feels about thread direction.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:43 GMT
#601
On January 17 2017 23:34 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most

This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK.
He votes Damdred after that.
He talks about Damdred without talking about LS:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 20:08 Holyflare wrote:
I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town.

It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards.


That works.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:45 GMT
#603
Not doing associations until someone actually flips.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 17 2017 14:47 GMT
#604
I wouldn't mind talking about a mafia candidate independent of associative tells, though I'd much rather be full-on the lynch HF train.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 11 12 13 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
LAN Event
16:00
StarCraft Madness Day 2
Airneanach62
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 322
MindelVK 40
EmSc Tv 26
Codebar 13
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 26312
Calm 3329
Shuttle 382
Mini 338
EffOrt 202
firebathero 173
actioN 104
Rush 94
Dewaltoss 79
ggaemo 58
[ Show more ]
Shine 45
Nal_rA 28
GoRush 21
IntoTheRainbow 20
JulyZerg 19
Dota 2
Gorgc7407
League of Legends
Reynor56
Counter-Strike
fl0m4265
Fnx 3066
byalli568
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox609
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor527
Liquid`Hasu476
Other Games
Grubby2296
singsing2143
FrodaN1807
Liquid`RaSZi1412
B2W.Neo1050
Beastyqt492
Mlord364
Hui .129
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick736
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream70
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 26
EmSc2Tv 26
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 23
• Reevou 6
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 16
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota250
League of Legends
• Nemesis2796
• Jankos2004
• Shiphtur335
Other Games
• imaqtpie487
Upcoming Events
BSL
2h 38m
Replay Cast
15h 38m
Afreeca Starleague
16h 38m
Sharp vs Scan
Rain vs Mong
Wardi Open
18h 38m
Monday Night Weeklies
23h 38m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 16h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 16h
Soulkey vs Ample
JyJ vs sSak
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
hero vs YSC
Larva vs Shine
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
5 days
Platinum Heroes Events
5 days
BSL
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Jeongseon Sooper Cup
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.