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On January 17 2017 05:38 Damdred wrote:
Well as long as my death is peaceful.
Honestly i probably just won't be here for lynch tomorrow so if we majority on me before I leave I kind of just have to accept it now. I basically have frmo now until 9 pm eastern to do things then i might dissapear until after lynch.
Sadly not to have sex with my wife for 17 hours straight :'(. I'll try to find something thats interesting to me but its just not to interesting yet in thread i guess.
You don't have any time at all whatsoever between now and lynch?
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Do you not have the time to play this cycle or something? Whats up?
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On January 17 2017 06:15 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 06:07 Vivax wrote:
I suggest you just make up your mind on who would be a better wagon. Don't see why Rels for example when I believe I'm the only one to have mentioned issues with his posts?
Onegu just behaved really confusing but not sure what would make him slam dunk mafia?
Hapa I think doesn't look that bad at the moment?
Do you have any points you think make them particularly interesting? Your read on Hapa seems a bit wobbly. You went like from TvT when he was arguing with me, to suspicious for soft defense of you, to null.
Just really anything that seems important to you? You lack bite this game, it's what's getting you voted. The only thing that is even remotely interesting to me is Onegu read on slam honestly. I thought slam said a couple of things that I could see come from town. Which makes his read of null but voting nad not commenting on anything in the thread else bad to me. Especially for Onegu. Besides that I am wafly on what I think, nothing else has piqued me right now.
Is that all you got, or are you still actively reading?
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Rels, you give town reads out like hotcakes.
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Let me phrase that differently. Who are you not town-reading?
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If the town things you point out don't matter, why mention them at all?
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On January 17 2017 07:07 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:03 Hapahauli wrote:On January 17 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On January 16 2017 21:39 Rels wrote:
Slam any feelings about the game ? Ya! HF is looking like a badass by running around discrediting people till he lynches them, and if they was town it's their fault for being bad, if scum it is because he is badass Hapa running around being high tier, and generally sheepable and conftown IMSO.Damdred and LS saying stuff that I think people putting too much stock in, u coming in here and being generally wise but also making too much of HF and Hapa, with regard to H8 HF just because he sez stuff that is aggro How am I sheepable when the only public read I've stuck with is a town read on Vivax? And this is weird. What were you "private" reads ?
Nothing. I was just stating how the only read that I had on record in the thread was the Vivax one.
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Alright this Day 1 is the pits. I can't remember a game I've ever played where I've struggled to find something to even post. No matter how much I look back over the thread, I end up at Damdred and Onegu, whilst praying that Bill Murray gets mod-killed.
It's almost 9 and Damdred isn't back and still hasn't done anything. I guess I could feel good lynching him based on the uselessness. But it isn't satisfying by any means. It doesn't feel like something like this has a good chance of hitting mafia.
Maybe going over some meta is the answer. Idunno. Expect a wall of text in the next hour or so.
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I can already tell you what's going to happen today: town will lynch down the path of least resistance. Unless the mafia team is something completely fucking useless like some combination BM/Onegu/Damdred, it's very clear that nothing is being pushed aggressively to derail town, and that town is just hanging itself.
##Unvote while I re-read again for the whateverth time.
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On January 17 2017 11:01 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote Holyflare
I'll be up for a few hours to discuss this.
The gist of this is the following:
On January 17 2017 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a bit of an impasse because I think there could actually be too many scum :D
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:I'm really, really, really not a fan of LS since he's done shit all and then went on and on about how he NEEDED damdred's read on me/hapa to do anything and then just said fair enough and did absolutely nothing when damdred did post something relevant then I hate that damdred/rels KEEP making these lazy meta ls reads that aren't even true and then when presented with new information that should update their reads they don't even bother looking into it or fact checking it and damdred is playing lazzyyyy then I hate onegu's "catch up" but I don't know if that's extreme bias because I despise a million times over people that do page by page catch ups instead of just a summary but regardless his catch up that he's done so far is shit then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred: Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ? Nope. which I think I hate by far the most
Holyflare is clearly suspicious of a lot of people, and in his mind has good reasons to be suspicious of a lot of people. He hasn't done anything other than dangle this out in thread, and plop his vote somewhat reluctantly on Damdred.
On January 17 2017 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm just gonna sit on damdred and see where it goes, it's majority shit lynch anyway.
It does not make a lot of sense for a player as aggressive as town-Holyflare to be so paralyzed by his multitude of scumreads that he doesn't act on them. Over today, he's just dangling his reads out there and waiting for someone to pick them up. His vote on Damdred is pretty pathetic, considering the list of suspicions he has.
"But Hapa, aren't you doing this? Isn't everyone sort of paralyzed this game?"
Yes, but for different reasons. A lot of players in this game are having a hard time finding any scum-reads. I mentioned earlier that I've had an extremely hard time finding reasons to call people mafia. Damdred as well. Look at LightningStrike's wafflefest. Vivax misreads things, thinks about them, realizes they could come from town, then stops pushing them. I suspect many other townies are in the same boat.
Holyflare is in a very different position. It does not make sense for a guy struggling to find townies to struggle to find a place for his vote.
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Comments. Thoughts. Questions.
15 hours is enough time to finish Day 1 strong.
@ Rels
Your wrong about my alignment, but your suspicions are right in a sense. I'm playing badly as town, and I'm going about this game the very, very wrong way. I was lost, so I was trying to ask silly stupid questions to get a lead. That's not how you get leads. Game will be pushed forward, starting now.
On January 17 2017 07:31 Rels wrote:
hapa how would you rate your D1 scum lynching skill ?
I have a good track record, albeit in more active towns. It's been a while since I've had my vote in the wrong place as town on Day 1. I'm not always there early on Day 1, but I'm there by the end of it.
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Can we exchange expect you to finish this cycle? I don't care about you posting past outdated info. Get caught up, tell me who you think is mafia, and talk to me about Holyflare.
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First Holyflare. Does it make sense to you that town HF has all those scumreads and behaves as he does? Or are you just not considering HF period.
I'll look at Rels. My impression of his play up till now was that I was disagreeing with a lot of what he said, but nothing he said was suspicious.
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Ok. Can't say I expected this Rels stuff. I have my thoughts, but I think it's better to let him defend himself.
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On January 17 2017 13:59 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 12:54 Hapahauli wrote:
First Holyflare. Does it make sense to you that town HF has all those scumreads and behaves as he does? Or are you just not considering HF period.
I'll look at Rels. My impression of his play up till now was that I was disagreeing with a lot of what he said, but nothing he said was suspicious. I have seen town HF have so many scum reads it was dumb. And I have seen town HF have very few scumreads day 1.
That's not really the point. Does town-HF have that many scum reads (most of whom were active in the thread), and instead plop his vote on Damdred to "see where it goes"? His vote seems very half-hearted and uninterested, which is weird as shit considering how many people he was actually suspicious of. You'd think he'd find a target to passionately go after.
I really just dont try to read him until later in the game. My thoughts is if he is town scum have to shoot him because he will figure things out eventually. And if he is scum is reads later in the game wont make as much sense and he will still be alive which under normal circumstances he wont. I have been in games where scum left him alive until mylo and he solved the game. It just takes time for me to form a read I am comfortable with on him.
Just try. It's not that hard.
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Morning. Euros can only manage 2 pages of thread while I'm gone? That's dissapointing. Let's change that.
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On Holyflare
Nothing Holyflare has said changes my mind. If the best he can do today is an OMGUS case against me, he should hang.
More specifically on this in a bit.
On Rels
My impression of his filter was that he was tunneled. Not that he was mafia. I really have no sense (like Onegu and Slam) that his reads are forced and whatnot. While his post "wanting to read Onegu town" was strange, I don't think that's independently enough to lynch him.
On Slam
On January 17 2017 22:24 Rels wrote:
that's also waht I expect from Slam and what's missing from him. THere is no read, only no-content posts. It's like he's forcing himself to have no read. And he's lecturing people about it, saying stuff like "if you think I'm scum for having no scumreads you're bad". Weird mix of having no opinion, seemlingly having fun, but still teaching people about the game
I don't think this makes him mafia. I spent a lot of time meta-ing him last night in drawing the conclusion that I did to vote Holyflare. His two most recent scum-games are Outlaw Mini and Mini Down Under 3. The former is quite useful, the latter he never really has any activity (and therefore not much to draw from it).
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?user=Alakaslam
Mafia Slam in "Outlaw" is very Bipolar. He has two moods: "TROLLY CHUZPAZI" (or however you pronounce that) and one-lined jabs at people calling them suspicious or mafia. There's actually very little emotionally in the middle of those two "modes". You'll notice he's perfectly capable of calling people suspicious and having reads as mafia.
His town games are noticeably different. He has a lot of moments of introspection, self-awareness, good humor, and even "coaching" other players.
I see a lot more of town-Slam so far than mafia-Slam.
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Rels you're tunneled. Stop being bad.
a) You took a quote from Rayn describing my play from a game where I was a 3rd party on day 1 when I was actively looking for mafia and for all purposes town. I got lynched in that game on Day 2 when my objectives changed and therefore I stopped giving a shit about the game.
b) I don't think you realize just how bad my game is as mafia.
c) "All of Hapa's stuff is forced" is just some neublous general observation that I can't even address because there isn't any clarity to it. What is forced? This is a game in which I'm trying whatever I can to get people to talk, and no shit something like that will sound forced and manufactured, because it is.
d) "Only scum say their play is forced and manufactured" is just a shit general tell, that you've probably just seen one mafia do and therefore assume that only mafia do it. You clearly cared enough about my meta to look into that Rayn post. Why not look into my last town game? Where I make some forced case on someone (DarthPunk) early in the game and get tunneled a bunch for it early.
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And what the fuck are with these "so and so posting is forced, therefore they are mafia" cases?!?
They are just useless lazy cases that give no one ANY evidence for why we should lynch them. Whether you consider something "forced" or not is completely subjective, unless you give actual evidence.
"Herp derp, so and so's posting is forced, ergo he's mafia" gives nothing to ANYONE. If that's the standard that this town will have for finding mafia, we will lose, because it provides perfect cover for people to be 1000000% useless.
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