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On January 16 2017 05:39 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 05:25 Hapahauli wrote:On January 16 2017 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.
How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!
You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.
States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).
And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.
And that went on longer than I wanted Okay. Is this a case you would make on other townies, or is there something meta-specific here about LS? How confident is this read, scale of 1 to 10? It's something meta specific to ls. He's incredibly lazy, isn't really confrontational and lays super low as scum.He can get past these of his partner is someone he lives and pushed his buttons and rides him hard. I would give it an 7-8 atm. Probably halfway through the day I can lock in depending. But some nice meta things on ls.
Damdred, update me on this. Right now, I'm seeing the bolded from LS.
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On January 17 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:Ya! HF is looking like a badass by running around discrediting people till he lynches them, and if they was town it's their fault for being bad, if scum it is because he is badass Hapa running around being high tier, and generally sheepable and conftown IMSO.Damdred and LS saying stuff that I think people putting too much stock in, u coming in here and being generally wise but also making too much of HF and Hapa, with regard to H8 HF just because he sez stuff that is aggro
How am I sheepable when the only public read I've stuck with is a town read on Vivax?
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Waitwaitwaitwait dont' leave now.
Why are you reading me as town? Because that's the opposite conclusion that everyone else has reached. I've had a pretty awkward start to Day 1 so far, and the "Hapa conf town" thing is as if you didn't read the thread and already know my alignment.
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On January 17 2017 01:07 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:02 Hapahauli wrote:On January 16 2017 05:39 Damdred wrote:On January 16 2017 05:25 Hapahauli wrote:On January 16 2017 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.
How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!
You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.
States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).
And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.
And that went on longer than I wanted Okay. Is this a case you would make on other townies, or is there something meta-specific here about LS? How confident is this read, scale of 1 to 10? It's something meta specific to ls. He's incredibly lazy, isn't really confrontational and lays super low as scum.He can get past these of his partner is someone he lives and pushed his buttons and rides him hard. I would give it an 7-8 atm. Probably halfway through the day I can lock in depending. But some nice meta things on ls. Damdred, update me on this. Right now, I'm seeing the bolded from LS. I actually see differently after I looked at his filter and read the thread. Yeah hes not super in tune yet with his reads being present but hes going out of his way to find examples of previous games where certain situations have occured. Mainly dealing with me, but I think its a good sign that he is doing things like that. I think it shows the opposite of being lazy, not many people would bother to comb throughg ames to find examples of what hes talking about.Wouldn't lynch today at all, but i think hes pretty towny currently.
I think many people would. Is that just a standard for LS?
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We'll have to wait for Slam to get back I guess. Entrance doesn't look great.
New line of questioning. Rels - when you were reading the thread this morning, at what point in your readthrough did you start reading LS as mafia?
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It was for you Rels - what do you mean by "the end"?
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Oh I'm retarded. Sorry. Thanks.
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I need an explanation for some of your posts last night Damdred.
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On January 16 2017 09:43 Damdred wrote:
Eh I'm partial to people defending me tbh. I think it's it's non point though both ways as I have no reason to lie about mistaking something.
Maybe hapa could be scum but I sont think it makes him scum here.
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On January 16 2017 09:47 Damdred wrote:
Eh if like to talk some actually hf.
I don't like hapa post for a couple reasons. One I don't want to talk about as you kinda covered it.
But he soft defended me and I hate soft defends. Like I think its a great mafia thing to do asbit leaves his options open which he does.
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On January 16 2017 10:14 Damdred wrote:
Ok fine with family time so I can make an actual good response.
Vivax was pretty t owny from his first few posts (to this point). That was why the fight originally felt a bit strange and off to me, it seemed like hapa was going after vivax for no real reason except to have things to do
I didn't question the unvotw because I felt like vivax was only getting more towny aas it went. (Vivax only real meh moment was his read on you). So it felt like at the time hapa just realized vivax was making sense to me.
I think outside that hapa should tell us how he reads vivax now. And how he actually reads the interchange between hf and myself.
You make all three of these posts last night basically back to back to back.
- In post 1, you say you are "partial" to people defending you, which implies that you liked my defense of you. You ultimately conclude that my posting was at the very least non-alignment indicative.
- In post 2, merely 4 minutes later, this you call me mafia for the same reasons as in post 1.
- In post 3, 20 minutes later, you talk about me a ton, but waffle between calling my actions scummy and calling them excusable.
I don't understand this train of thought at all.
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@ Slam
On January 17 2017 01:07 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:03 Hapahauli wrote:On January 17 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On January 16 2017 21:39 Rels wrote:
Slam any feelings about the game ? Ya! HF is looking like a badass by running around discrediting people till he lynches them, and if they was town it's their fault for being bad, if scum it is because he is badass Hapa running around being high tier, and generally sheepable and conftown IMSO.Damdred and LS saying stuff that I think people putting too much stock in, u coming in here and being generally wise but also making too much of HF and Hapa, with regard to H8 HF just because he sez stuff that is aggro How am I sheepable when the only public read I've stuck with is a town read on Vivax? Because for once, you are someone who has used reason over emotion here.
This is just a generalization. What posts in particular involve "reason"? Holyflare and Vivax posted a ton too - is there not "reason over emotion" in their filters?
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@ Vivax
I'm not following the Rels stuff, particularly point #2 in your summary. Can you go in more detail?
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I don't know where you stand on anything Damdred, except for LS.
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On January 17 2017 01:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:38 Hapahauli wrote:
You make all three of these posts last night basically back to back to back.
- In post 1, you say you are "partial" to people defending you, which implies that you liked my defense of you. You ultimately conclude that my posting was at the very least non-alignment indicative.
- In post 2, merely 4 minutes later, this you call me mafia for the same reasons as in post 1.
- In post 3, 20 minutes later, you talk about me a ton, but waffle between calling my actions scummy and calling them excusable.
I don't understand this train of thought at all. Don't see how that's scummy. Townie being unsure, especially early game, is not weird
Discrepancy between Post 1 and 2 could absolutely be scummy. Though, I think Damdred's explanation is fine.
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On January 17 2017 01:56 Rels wrote:
Hapa I might be tunneled. But again all of these questions seem pointless to me. They look good but won't add anything meaningful. Not the Vivax one, but the other two
What I'm ultimately trying to get at with Damdred, is that I feel he's been a non-entity this game. The contributions he has made have not been of his own volition, but have been from his responses to people questioning him.
The only thing he's been vocal about is a read on lightning strike (which he made in response to my various lines of questioning during the game). Other than that, his read on me last night sort of morphs and changes with whatever HolyFlare was posting at the time.
The question on you was because I was looking into Vivax's case, which still doesn't make much sense to me.
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On January 17 2017 02:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:59 Hapahauli wrote:On January 17 2017 01:55 Rels wrote:On January 17 2017 01:38 Hapahauli wrote:
You make all three of these posts last night basically back to back to back.
- In post 1, you say you are "partial" to people defending you, which implies that you liked my defense of you. You ultimately conclude that my posting was at the very least non-alignment indicative.
- In post 2, merely 4 minutes later, this you call me mafia for the same reasons as in post 1.
- In post 3, 20 minutes later, you talk about me a ton, but waffle between calling my actions scummy and calling them excusable.
I don't understand this train of thought at all. Don't see how that's scummy. Townie being unsure, especially early game, is not weird Discrepancy between Post 1 and 2 could absolutely be scummy. Though, I think Damdred's explanation is fine. Do you think mafia simply forget what they've posted after 4 minutes and contradict themselves?
I think it's plausible for mafia to passively agree with whatever an aggressive vocal player (you) is saying in the thread at the very moment.
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Honestly, I have reasons to think every active poster is town, and I'm trying to look for any lead I can. I guess it is "shade throwing" to an outside eye. I'm just usually at a point where I have more concrete reads at this point in the game, and I just don't have them.
The closest thing I have to a scumread is Slam, but I'm very wary of the lynchbait factor there.
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So... you're voting for Slam because his opening is bad, and not because you think he's suspicious?
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On January 17 2017 04:24 Vivax wrote:
I'm warming up to the idea of Damdred being scum, for one really simple reason: There's no bite, no desire to find scum or push the game forward. I have yet to see him make some good observation that's aimed at catching someone.
Overall he looks waaaay to peaceful. Only townreads. And I wouldn't even complain that he doesn't have scumreads, but I believe he didn't even try to find one, when I look at his filter.
This is what I was getting at earlier, but much more articulate.
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Based on the last few pages, I'm between Onegu and Damdred for mafia.
Slam's opening was bad, but I liked the subsequent posts. He makes observations that are matter-of-fact and very self-aware. There's also a huge lynchbait factor here. In his own words, Slam is not a good communicator regardless of alignment.
Onegu's vote on Slam is strange and scummy. I can't tell if it's policy, legitimate suspicion, or something in between. Slam has also been talking and interacting with the thread, and I don't like Onegu coming in and just shitting on his first 4 posts without even attempting to engage him.
Damdred for the posts above.
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## Vote Damdred
I only have one vote, so I'll put it here. At the end of the day, I expect more from town-Damdred. If I could vote both players, I would.
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EPT
