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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 02:01 GMT
#179
Damdred are you here?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 04:58 GMT
#186
On January 16 2017 13:15 Onegu wrote:
Is this game really a 12:00 EST deadline?

Yes
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 13:19 GMT
#226
On January 16 2017 15:54 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 13:58 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 13:15 Onegu wrote:
Is this game really a 12:00 EST deadline?

Yes


Why did you want to know if Damdred was around?

Was wanting to him something that was all.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 13:25 GMT
#231
On January 16 2017 22:21 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 22:15 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:13 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:09 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:08 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 21:07 Rels wrote:
This seems like TMI. If Damdred is scum LS is spewed town


On January 16 2017 22:04 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:00 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 21:51 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 21:44 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 21:37 Rels wrote:
[quote]
I think LS could be scum. I find Damdred's reasons to townread LS bad. Damdred is supposed to have a god meta read on LS. So if Damdred is scum, he's using his god meta read as an excuse to just give a townread to someone he knows is town, even though it doesn't show in the thread.


I still don't follow you. For one, god meta read is something I don't believe in.

And next, I don't know why mafia! Damdred shouldn't have an interest in lynching town LS, or why it has to be an excuse. You could also have simply concluded that town! Damdred applied his god meta read here.

Your reasoning doesn't convince me at all.

I don't believe it's likely at all that mafia!Damdred will ever use his "god meta read" to try to mislynch LS. The fact that Damdred can read LS very well is a well known fact.
I explained why I found Damdred's townread of LS bad. But I liked that he pressured LS on spitting out posts, instead of buddying him


I'll let Damdred get back to that as I can't really remember if or when he mislynched town LS as mafia.

If you believe that Damdred can read LS very well and treat is as a fact, then why say he spewed him town as mafia? That's the point that I still didn't see sufficiently answered, you would have to believe that you can read LS better than Damdred, and you would have to believe that LS IS town which you didn't seem to think when you posted that.

My problem was that (1) I find LS scummy and (2) I find Damdred's reasonning pretty bad 'cause LS has proved he can do all of those things as scum. Usually Damdred's reasons to townread LS are more nebuleous feelings, especially D1.


How can the bolded fit together? You would never jump to the conclusion that Damdred is mafia for spewing LS as town when you believe that LS is scummy.

If I found LS townie I wouldn't have found Damdred's townread on him to be TMI.


That doesn't make sense Rels. You said posthum that you found LS at the time scummy, that means the thought that Damdred should be suspected for spewing him as town should never have crossed your mind. Your reasoning would appear more credible if you believed them both to be mafia and that Damdred was covering LS with his god read.

Nope I don't think it's likely for scum!Damdred to make a list of reasons for scum!LS to be town. Too much spotlight if LS flips, when Damdred is known for his LS read.


The one game I have in mind actually, they both hard defended each other. It's the one where they got all emotional, can't remember the name.

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On January 16 2017 21:07 Rels wrote:
This seems like TMI. If Damdred is scum LS is spewed town


Walk me around why you said this cause it's the one post that I don't see a townie making in the context where he believes that LS is scummy.

When you made it you must have believed that Damdreds reasons are bad.
If Damdreds reasons are bad, then Damdred can be scum, but LS can't be scum.
But LS can be scum, so why mention TMI?

That was cell millionaire where we both broke our meta at the time (Damdred being emotional and me all capping).
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 13:28 GMT
#233
On January 16 2017 22:24 Rels wrote:
LS can you expand on why is Hapa / HF weird ?

Something feels off like it doesn't seem Town vs Town especially how they were interacting with each other it feels forced somewhere and or how the arguments were presented.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 13:34 GMT
#239
On January 16 2017 22:24 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 22:19 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 15:54 Holyflare wrote:
On January 16 2017 13:58 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 13:15 Onegu wrote:
Is this game really a 12:00 EST deadline?

Yes


Why did you want to know if Damdred was around?

Was wanting to him something that was all.


LS did Damdred never mislynch you or push for your mislynch when he was mafia?

He has pushed me for my mislynch when he's scum with me being town. One of those games where he done it before he left was Onegu is the Best Host which you did play in.
Here was his filter from that game but if you remembered I got modkilled there and Snickers ruined the game too:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511409-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia?user=Damdred
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 13:39 GMT
#243
On January 16 2017 22:30 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 22:28 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:24 Rels wrote:
LS can you expand on why is Hapa / HF weird ?

Something feels off like it doesn't seem Town vs Town especially how they were interacting with each other it feels forced somewhere and or how the arguments were presented.

But you started this thought at the time saying HF was being nitpicky. What makes you think Hapa could be the scum there ?

The way he did shut down HF's push seems odd. He claimed he can see if Damdred changed the name from Vivax to himself(Hapa) it would make sense without adding to much content in that post.
This was the post:
On January 16 2017 08:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 08:05 Holyflare wrote:
?????????????????

Because town people generally care about what they think and have thought 2 hours previously.
Because town people don't usually forget the person they thought was weird/scummy.
Because town people don't try and retroactively defend themselves with lies when their answer is I forgot.
Because town don't change their entire story to stop someone scum reading them.
Because town don't then realise they've been caught out lying and try to retroactively undo their lie AGAIN!

Wtf hapa it's not that hard to understand???


Because...

Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Eh I see where the disconect is, my posting implies that hi had an earlier bad feeling and I don't talk about hapa in that posting.

Ehhhhh, I can see it and understand your point.

It's a mistake on my part, maybe I meant to type hhapa there instead of vivax. I'm not sure what I was thinking or if i wwa just in a hurry.

Unfortunate but I doubt you believe my explanation anyway.


...the bolded makes sense, and is consistent with some other name typos that Damdred has made over the last 2 hours. (See: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=6#110)

You switch out "vivax" for "hapa" there, and Damdred's thought process is entirely consistent. I believe the typo, or at the very least, I believe that the typo is equally likely to Damdred fucking up as mafia.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 13:41 GMT
#244
On January 16 2017 22:35 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 22:34 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:24 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:19 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 15:54 Holyflare wrote:
On January 16 2017 13:58 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 13:15 Onegu wrote:
Is this game really a 12:00 EST deadline?

Yes


Why did you want to know if Damdred was around?

Was wanting to him something that was all.


LS did Damdred never mislynch you or push for your mislynch when he was mafia?

He has pushed me for my mislynch when he's scum with me being town. One of those games where he done it before he left was Onegu is the Best Host which you did play in.
Here was his filter from that game but if you remembered I got modkilled there and Snickers ruined the game too:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511409-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia?user=Damdred


Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 21:51 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 21:44 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 21:37 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 21:34 Vivax wrote:
Rels hold on a moment.

You go on to disagree with Damdred about these points making LS town.

Why immediately jump to the conclusion that it's TMI afterwards if you aren't sure that LS is town?

I think LS could be scum. I find Damdred's reasons to townread LS bad. Damdred is supposed to have a god meta read on LS. So if Damdred is scum, he's using his god meta read as an excuse to just give a townread to someone he knows is town, even though it doesn't show in the thread.


I still don't follow you. For one, god meta read is something I don't believe in.

And next, I don't know why mafia! Damdred shouldn't have an interest in lynching town LS, or why it has to be an excuse. You could also have simply concluded that town! Damdred applied his god meta read here.

Your reasoning doesn't convince me at all.

I don't believe it's likely at all that mafia!Damdred will ever use his "god meta read" to try to mislynch LS. The fact that Damdred can read LS very well is a well known fact.
I explained why I found Damdred's townread of LS bad. But I liked that he pressured LS on spitting out posts, instead of buddying him


Then we can resume discussion here.

He did use his meta read on me if I remember correctly I can check his filter again to try to mislynch me but I got modkilled when I was having a big fight with you.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 13:46 GMT
#250
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 13:47 GMT
#251
On January 16 2017 22:46 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 22:39 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:30 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:28 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:24 Rels wrote:
LS can you expand on why is Hapa / HF weird ?

Something feels off like it doesn't seem Town vs Town especially how they were interacting with each other it feels forced somewhere and or how the arguments were presented.

But you started this thought at the time saying HF was being nitpicky. What makes you think Hapa could be the scum there ?

The way he did shut down HF's push seems odd. He claimed he can see if Damdred changed the name from Vivax to himself(Hapa) it would make sense without adding to much content in that post.
This was the post:
On January 16 2017 08:22 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 16 2017 08:05 Holyflare wrote:
?????????????????

Because town people generally care about what they think and have thought 2 hours previously.
Because town people don't usually forget the person they thought was weird/scummy.
Because town people don't try and retroactively defend themselves with lies when their answer is I forgot.
Because town don't change their entire story to stop someone scum reading them.
Because town don't then realise they've been caught out lying and try to retroactively undo their lie AGAIN!

Wtf hapa it's not that hard to understand???


Because...

On January 16 2017 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Eh I see where the disconect is, my posting implies that hi had an earlier bad feeling and I don't talk about hapa in that posting.

Ehhhhh, I can see it and understand your point.

It's a mistake on my part, maybe I meant to type hhapa there instead of vivax. I'm not sure what I was thinking or if i wwa just in a hurry.

Unfortunate but I doubt you believe my explanation anyway.


...the bolded makes sense, and is consistent with some other name typos that Damdred has made over the last 2 hours. (See: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=6#110)

You switch out "vivax" for "hapa" there, and Damdred's thought process is entirely consistent. I believe the typo, or at the very least, I believe that the typo is equally likely to Damdred fucking up as mafia.

Isn't this the very same thing you found HF push nitpicky ?

Sort of. It was mainly HF's push on Damdred with him being nicpicky about stuff.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 13:51 GMT
#256
On January 16 2017 22:48 Holyflare wrote:
So if I'm being nitpicky about damdred and you don't like it why does hapa stopping it seem weird?

The way he tried to stop your push was odd that was all I saying. Definitely feels Town vs Scum between you and Hapa and trying to figure out who would be the scum.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 13:52 GMT
#258
Where is Damdred when I want to talk to him about it -__-
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 13:55 GMT
#260
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 14:03 GMT
#265
On January 16 2017 22:58 Holyflare wrote:
But if you find my push on damdred nitpicky (please explain how) and hapa stopped a push you didn't like then why is it odd and why does that implicate that it's a mafia/town situation?

I feel like you've just copied a sentence about what I posted in regards to hapa and then didn't bother to actually make a conclusion and are making some weird statements.

Your push was nicpicky was because it took very few thnigs from what Damdred actually did and picked on very things that doesn't really matter to much.
My conclusion was that it most likely TvS between you and Hapa but idk who would be scum though >.< I need to flesh things out as soon I talk to Damdred to see where he stands on it and compare to how I feel about it.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 14:04 GMT
#267
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 14:05 GMT
#268
Damdred if you come back can you tell me your thoughts on HF vs Hapa please?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 14:10 GMT
#272
On January 16 2017 23:07 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 09:47 Damdred wrote:
Eh if like to talk some actually hf.

I don't like hapa post for a couple reasons. One I don't want to talk about as you kinda covered it.

But he soft defended me and I hate soft defends. Like I think its a great mafia thing to do asbit leaves his options open which he does.


I need to have him flesh it out a bit more about why he hates Hapa there so it would be more clear for me his thoughts.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 14:14 GMT
#275
On January 16 2017 23:12 Holyflare wrote:
But how is that relevant to what you think about hapa and myself....?

I want a comparison with him and see if we agree somewhere and if we disagree somewhere try to talk it out with him.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 14:18 GMT
#277
On January 16 2017 23:12 Holyflare wrote:
What alignment do you think damdred is atm ls?

Very likely town atm I liked this post from him:
On January 16 2017 04:22 Damdred wrote:
It is interesting as a side note that hapa was interested enough to ask me a question about ls reading but just disnt care enough to respond to me answering (feelings hurt).

Really I did like that vivax had a sort of point he wanted to drive home. I disagree with him though.

I liked hapa offensive capabilities but I sort of feel like it was misplaced it felt like.

Fight seems off to me.

He was experiencing some doubt there but also show he cared about being ignored by Hapa at the time. Town!Damdred doesn't like being ignored more than Scum!Damdred.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 16 2017 14:20 GMT
#279
Maybe I just a sucker to Damdred since I haven't played with him for a while and I really missed playing with him.
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