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Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 18 2017 19:31 GMT

#1213

What's your read on Vivax right now?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 18 2017 19:34 GMT

#1216

On January 19 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
misguided but towny

It took you way too long to reach that conclusion. There's this je ne sais quoi about your play this game, where you're being very obstinate about things you shouldn't be.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 18 2017 19:35 GMT

#1217

Like when you kept bringing up Haunted Mansion 3 to call Vivax scum. It takes all of a 10 second look at that game to realize just how differently Vivax was as mafia compared to this game.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 18 2017 19:42 GMT

#1221

So what in particular made you switch your read on Vivax?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 18 2017 22:51 GMT

#1228

Quite.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 19 2017 13:15 GMT

#1246

On January 19 2017 03:14 Hapahauli wrote:
You were clearly active EoD though?

Anyway more relevant question:
Why were you supporting a Damdred lynch EoD?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 19 2017 17:14 GMT

#1265

The more I read this game, the more I think town just wins if we lynch into Onegu, HF, Damdred.

Damdred being my "margin of error" read. Onegu/HF being my top two scumreads.

##Unvote

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 19 2017 17:22 GMT

#1266

HF because he has a lot of activity but isn't pushing the game anywhere. The only thing I remember him really "leading" this game is his vote on Damdred early day 1. Other than that, he followed Vivax on his Damdred pressure, followed me on my pressure of Vivax, followed me again on my pressure on Slam with this:

On January 18 2017 12:29 Holyflare wrote:

Show nested quote +

On January 18 2017 12:26 Hapahauli wrote:
First post was 30 minutes out from deadline.

Next two posts were 15-10 or so.

Anyway here are the series of posts he has at deadline. Keep in mind the first post (particularly the underlined/bolded part) as you read the rest of it.

On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.

On January 18 2017 01:03 Alakaslam wrote:

On January 18 2017 00:59 Vivax wrote:

On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.

That's nonsense. If HF flips green it doesn't automatically point you to another lynch.

Pretty selfish of you to act that way, too. Maybe remember others like to play this game more seriously than you do?

This is actually serious play. It's selfish to work within my own means rather than just sheep? Please tell me why; it would take far less effort to go "whoooo let's lynch HF"

Like isn't that what I'd usually do anyway? Your reaction is confusing me big time:

On January 18 2017 01:06 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason is that if Hapa is scum and he is lynching Holyflare, he will dominate. End of story.

But we would have to wait for him to survive night

I just realized this is more wifom then I had thought. Vivax is right.

Dammit I hate this situation so bad

On January 18 2017 01:08 Alakaslam wrote:

On January 18 2017 01:05 Vivax wrote:

On January 18 2017 01:03 Alakaslam wrote:

On January 18 2017 00:59 Vivax wrote:

On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.

It's selfish to risk a no lynch, is what I mean. You can scumhunt on your own disregarding our opinions all you like but please slam, don't let us slide into a no lynch. What you wrote sounds like you will waste your vote if it suits you.

Aaand I forgot it was this type.

If HF is the only wagon, and needs a vote to be lynched, I will hammer.

On January 18 2017 01:12 Alakaslam wrote:

On January 18 2017 01:09 Vivax wrote:

What do you think of Damdred? I think both him and HF have an equal shot at flipping mafia but I have to make compromises if we want to lynch, so right now I don't have a preference for HF, but others do.

TBH I struggle to read Damdred. He was most active during a time when I was inactive, then left the site on my return.

I mostly read by meta tbh.the capability I have for logic other than on-the-spot is pretty time consuming, and I just don't have it.

On January 18 2017 01:13 Alakaslam wrote:
I would far rather lynch Damdred but in majority I have to compromise to get a lynch.

He makes a bunch of posts, he's clearly active. Does it look to you like he's trying to find mafia (as he said he would early on)? He just waffles around, posts a bunch, does nothing, and arrives at the conclusion that he'd support a Damdred lynch despite having misgivings on Damdred.

That's not scumhunting.

Well that's different. You only linked 2 posts before, pretty much the same as onegu but more waffle. Would lynch.

He's also being really, really thick about certain things, and I don't think OMGUS explains all of that away.

Lastly, I think Rels really hit the nail on the head here:

On January 19 2017 01:26 Rels wrote:
leaving work. I've said what I think. Only thing new is that HF seems prone to try and shitfight while claiming he wanna end the fight. Maybe.
See you tomorrow if I'm alive

Each is probably individually excusable. All together points to mafia HF IMO.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 19 2017 17:26 GMT

#1268

Damdred I think is with my margin of error. I do have that "genuine thought process" read on him, but his EoD does look very very bad. Bad enough to reconsider things. Margin for error here because he could just be legit inactive.

Onegu is lynchbaity I guess, but I also feel he's pushing mafia objectives. He's active but not contributing. His Rels case was pretty shit.

On January 19 2017 23:45 Onegu wrote:
Damdreds read flip on LS, and then Rels death.

##Vote: Damdred.

Him voting Damdred currently for these reasons is pretty silly. I don't' care how LS and Damdred pitched it - getting a read wrong does not make someone mafia. Also, Rels' death equally implicates Onegu.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 19 2017 17:31 GMT

#1270

On January 20 2017 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Hapa what's your opinion of this game so far.

I'm pretty confident you're town.

I'm reasonably confident Bill Murray is town.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=59#1180
Posts like these show a very good thought process. He seems to be invested in the game and caring what happens.

My gut is screaming that I was wrong on my Slam read. I've been going over his scum-games for the past hour, and they feel very different. His emotions are very simplistic in those - either outright trolling or calling someone mafia. He's much more nuanced here. Also his travel schedule and inactivity basically explains all his actions. Hard to find mafia when you have to filter on a phone.
Also the idea that Slam finishes D1 without voting looks like he's not overly concerned with covering his tracks. Not hard to just drop a vote on Damdred or HF or someone at EoD if you're mafia to look good.

That leaves the other three above.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 19 2017 17:32 GMT

#1271

That all being said, I need to have a nice chat with Slam first to confirm my feelings.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 19 2017 17:33 GMT

#1272

Whaddya think Vivax?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 19 2017 17:47 GMT

#1278

What am I even supposed to answer in those posts Vivax? It seems like you want to read me as mafia because it'll make you feel better about the game. I can't argue against that feeling.

I have the information that I have, and I do the best with what I have. I agree the game is a shitshow. At the same time, it is 10000x better than D1, so for that I'm hopeful.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 19 2017 17:53 GMT

#1280

I'll talk with you if you allow me to. I'm not going to fight with someone I think is town.

If you step back and take a look at my filter, it should be pretty clear that I am too. You should have in-depth experience with how I play mafia. Do you remember this?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/392955-dessert-mini-mafia?page=109
https://www.quicktopic.com/49/H/XzeY3JALfAC

You caught me dead to rights in Dessert Mini Mafia D1 in the Obs QT. Does my play look remotely like htat?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 19 2017 17:54 GMT

#1281

On January 20 2017 02:50 Vivax wrote:
...
So when you see me cursing at HF and HF gnawing at my patience, I can guarantee you that I'm actually having fun, at the very least in retrospect.

I'm glad.

<3

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 19 2017 18:05 GMT

#1283

On January 20 2017 02:59 Vivax wrote:

Show nested quote +

The shiny nice posts do remind me.

What just caught my eye is that you keep making them against these odds instead of standing up and shouting "yo get your shit together we didn't sign up for this".

I could compare filters if I wanted and try to find differences or similarities but the questions remain: Do I have to do that to think you're mafia, and who's going to read it anyway?

Isn't this what I basically did shifting my vote off Damdred and moving it to Holyflare mid Day 1?

I've also done thread police in the past. It doesn't really work. It just gets me super tilted and biased in favor of lynching lurkers.

What exactly is your standard for my town play? I feel like you don't really know, or it's inhumanly high.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 19 2017 18:05 GMT

#1284

Also, my town play has a lot of shiny nice posts. There's just more spam/madness/insanity/tunnel in between them on average in my town games vs my mafia games.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 19 2017 18:19 GMT

#1286

Do what you need to do.

Just keep in mind that no one's filter will ever be perfect as town.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 19 2017 18:35 GMT

#1292

Why did you pick Damdred in particular though?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

January 19 2017 18:39 GMT

#1296

What do you mean by "damage control mode?"

Also, "he was the most likely alternative" doesn't mean very much. You thought he was mafia? You thought he was a non-HF candidate that could plausibly be lynched?

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