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Something that stuck out to me looking over Vivax's filter
On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies.
But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them.Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:
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I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:
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I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol
But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely.
I was town leaning both ika and SW earlier, but this post gives me the heebee jeebees. The thread turned against/piled onto Grack following the huge stubborn standoffishness Grack pulled against Ika/SW and their refusal to back off at all. Likewise, i felt like SW/ika also stirred the pot up with Vivax over something by claiming it was scum motivated (Vivax questioning my reasoning for a read = "hard defending and town reading" ika) that in retrospect was town motivated and reasonable.
When I think of mafia rationale, especially D1, it's to cause a lot of ruckus in the wrong places.
Now we have a dead doc and an active town who seemed to be starting to sour on SW at least, and a basically confirmed D2 lynch. It seems like EVERYTHING happened in the wrong places.
Meh, maybe i'm letting the paranoia take over. I think it's important to re-read how the Grack lynch went down pre btdt cc + Show Spoiler +but that also involves reading like 3 pages of flame lol
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On January 09 2017 10:29 Kmatt wrote:
It was a gamble. If I hit scum!Vivax we pull a double kill. If I whiff and kill a town alongside mafia we're doubly in the hole. With the double whiff from both parties we basically broke even since now the game is as if I was a VT. The alternative is, as you said, take the easy shot and play the game out normal. I went for the jackpot and came back empty handed.
Lesson learned, let's hope
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No reason to go for the jackpot when we're already down a doc. Anyways there's nothing we can do about it now so let's focus on trying not to waste D2 by being super lazy and simply lynching btdt
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On January 09 2017 10:38 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 10:29 Kmatt wrote:
It was a gamble. If I hit scum!Vivax we pull a double kill. If I whiff and kill a town alongside mafia we're doubly in the hole. With the double whiff from both parties we basically broke even since now the game is as if I was a VT. The alternative is, as you said, take the easy shot and play the game out normal. I went for the jackpot and came back empty handed. Lesson learned, let's hope
But muh sick plays.
Real talk though if I ever get to be a vig again you had better believe I'm going to go for a flashy kill out of nowhere. You can't give me that kind of power and not expect MOM GET THE CAMERA
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On January 09 2017 10:40 darthfoley wrote:
No reason to go for the jackpot when we're already down a doc. Anyways there's nothing we can do about it now so let's focus on trying not to waste D2 by being super lazy and simply lynching btdt
I don't think your concerns are unreasonable given that Grack and Vivax were both town. However I'm not seeing anything in your post that suggests one/ both of them are doing this on purpose as opposed to townies who were just wrong on D1. It's typical of them to tag-team their scum-reads from my experience. As it stands, it's counterproductive to tinfoil this early. Not that this has ever stopped you, of course.
I'm sounding like a stodgy teacher here with lecturing but it's almost 2am, I kinda want to sleep and I think town needs a kick up the arse. Half the posts since Vivax's death have been NKA WIFOM, role speculation WIFOM and BTDT votes.
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On January 09 2017 10:29 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 10:26 Onegu wrote:On January 09 2017 10:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:
It could be someone that knows Vivax and considers him a threat or it could be getting rid of a veteran player who was active in the thread.
Vivax did vote for ME and KelsierSC, suspected darthfoley, Squishy as well. I'd need to filter dive to see if there is anything else there. I would say this leans more toward Kelsier being scum fwiw as the vet that would shoot vivax. What makes you conclude that exactly? Not terribly familiar with what the veterans in this game are like meta-wise.
Out of the "vets" in this game only me Kel and Viv have multiple games with each other like 5-10+, I dont think vivax looked uber towie and def not as townie as someone like SW77. With Viv voting Kel it wouldnt surprise me for Kel to kill him.
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On January 09 2017 10:43 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 10:38 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 10:29 Kmatt wrote:
It was a gamble. If I hit scum!Vivax we pull a double kill. If I whiff and kill a town alongside mafia we're doubly in the hole. With the double whiff from both parties we basically broke even since now the game is as if I was a VT. The alternative is, as you said, take the easy shot and play the game out normal. I went for the jackpot and came back empty handed. Lesson learned, let's hope But muh sick plays. Real talk though if I ever get to be a vig again you had better believe I'm going to go for a flashy kill out of nowhere. You can't give me that kind of power and not expect MOM GET THE CAMERA
For town thats where sick play attempts get you. I am giving btdt a 70% chance for him to be town and trying to make the sick play. So if btdt is town and you are the vig. Town sick plays attempts have gotten us the doctor killed, a townie mislynched, and a vig shot on town, that could have been at the very least a chance to take out trash.
I mean at least scum didnt shoot me. Someone is telling them dont worry Onegu is shit tier. Then they dont realize Onegu is the one person who usually figures the game out and will win this for town.
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On January 09 2017 10:48 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 10:40 darthfoley wrote:
No reason to go for the jackpot when we're already down a doc. Anyways there's nothing we can do about it now so let's focus on trying not to waste D2 by being super lazy and simply lynching btdt I don't think your concerns are unreasonable given that Grack and Vivax were both town. However I'm not seeing anything in your post that suggests one/ both of them are doing this on purpose as opposed to townies who were just wrong on D1. It's typical of them to tag-team their scum-reads from my experience. As it stands, it's counterproductive to tinfoil this early. Not that this has ever stopped you, of course. I'm sounding like a stodgy teacher here with lecturing but it's almost 2am, I kinda want to sleep and I think town needs a kick up the arse. Half the posts since Vivax's death have been NKA WIFOM, role speculation WIFOM and BTDT votes.
Alright well show us the way, master
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On January 09 2017 11:05 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 10:48 Calix wrote:On January 09 2017 10:40 darthfoley wrote:
No reason to go for the jackpot when we're already down a doc. Anyways there's nothing we can do about it now so let's focus on trying not to waste D2 by being super lazy and simply lynching btdt I don't think your concerns are unreasonable given that Grack and Vivax were both town. However I'm not seeing anything in your post that suggests one/ both of them are doing this on purpose as opposed to townies who were just wrong on D1. It's typical of them to tag-team their scum-reads from my experience. As it stands, it's counterproductive to tinfoil this early. Not that this has ever stopped you, of course. I'm sounding like a stodgy teacher here with lecturing but it's almost 2am, I kinda want to sleep and I think town needs a kick up the arse. Half the posts since Vivax's death have been NKA WIFOM, role speculation WIFOM and BTDT votes. Alright well show us the way, master + Show Spoiler +
While I'm skeptical of how accurate Onegu's point about KSC being incriminated by the NK is, I'll let it slide if it means more pressure on KSC for whenever he shows up. He is a rather large missing puzzle piece atm.
I think ME needs to be talked about more also, especially the damning points that I raised against him during the night and how he responded to that. Only SW/ ika really discussed that iirc.
In terms of how people ITT reacted to Vivax pre-death, I recall there being a bunch of scum-reads on Vivax shortly before he died. I think those people are more likely to be town because scum don't generally kill off their scum-reads as that's a waste of a potential ML. This is kinda WIFOM so I will check to see how they did it when I am properly awake and functioning though.
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On January 09 2017 11:05 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 10:48 Calix wrote:On January 09 2017 10:40 darthfoley wrote:
No reason to go for the jackpot when we're already down a doc. Anyways there's nothing we can do about it now so let's focus on trying not to waste D2 by being super lazy and simply lynching btdt I don't think your concerns are unreasonable given that Grack and Vivax were both town. However I'm not seeing anything in your post that suggests one/ both of them are doing this on purpose as opposed to townies who were just wrong on D1. It's typical of them to tag-team their scum-reads from my experience. As it stands, it's counterproductive to tinfoil this early. Not that this has ever stopped you, of course. I'm sounding like a stodgy teacher here with lecturing but it's almost 2am, I kinda want to sleep and I think town needs a kick up the arse. Half the posts since Vivax's death have been NKA WIFOM, role speculation WIFOM and BTDT votes. Alright well show us the way, master + Show Spoiler +
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YOu can shadow me next time and I will enlighten you
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Vote Count
beentheredonethat (7) : Kmatt, ika42, SilverWolf77, darthfoley, Calix, Onegu, reps)squishy
Not voting (4) : B0stonSC, beentheredonethat, KelsierSC, MichaelEhrmantraut
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Erm
I was roleblocked and my flip will confirm this. That means either scum didnt shoot (impossible) or scum hit a veteran (unlikely, doc/vet in a setup) or Kmatt is not the vigilante.
Just saying.
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I will never again go for the hero play and I am looking forward to the blame.
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On January 10 2017 03:55 ika42 wrote:
wow this game died....
Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk.
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On January 10 2017 04:18 Calix wrote:Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk.
Somewhat. Ive been poping in and out and dealing with some stuff
What do you think of ME doubling down on wanting to lynch me next.
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On January 10 2017 04:26 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 04:18 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 03:55 ika42 wrote:
wow this game died.... Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk. Somewhat. Ive been poping in and out and dealing with some stuff What do you think of ME doubling down on wanting to lynch me next.
I think it's an overreaction to your response. I can get being annoyed that someone's not cooperating with you if it was over a longer series of posts but given that wasn't the case, his reaction to "have you been reading the thread" is out of place.
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I'm also around for a while
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