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Onegu:
Flying under the radar. Yep, I keep forgetting about him which I don't like.
His whole VT thing is null for me, I don't get the point and when I asked he simply said it was his thing. It just looks like busy work and not much else. If he got some reads off it, that would be different but he didn't.
Suspicious of B0ston for voting him when he only made 2 posts. A little reactive-gets annoyed B0ston didn't say it was a pressure vote but you don't usually say a vote is a pressure vote when you vote someone for pressure so..............
Makes irrelevant comment about OMGUS and what it means.
Reiterates trolliness is NAI for him.
Explains his scumread on B0ston was for fabricating a read on him and later changing the narrative on it. This is actually pretty good.
Doesn't like Vivax defending people as a vet player. Basically just a one line scumread of Vivax. Meh.
Explains his townread on me better.
Says he's town cuz he's VT.
A few more irrelevant comments about stubborness and saying he claims VT in all his games. I think he made too much of this but it's apparently NAI for him.
A few more irrelevant posts.
I do like his explanation for his scumread on B0ston.
Didn't like Grack's claim and votes him for the cc.
Strongly states we need to lynch btdt which I agree with.
Says Kelsier is the veteran who would shoot Vivax if scum.
Says he'll figure the game out for us. I hope someone does.
Overall, a lot of filler posting which is NAI for him. A decent enough explanation for why Kelsier would shoot Vivax due to meta and Vivax vote on him.
A good reasoning for his suspicion on B0ston.
Unfortunately it's null town. Meaning a couple points look town, the rest looks null. I don't really see anything scummy though or anything that looks scum motivated so null town it is.
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I'll do more tomorrow. I'm dead tired and not feeling great right now.
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I'm not gonna filter dive btdt or Kelsier because one is gonna be lynched and one is likely to be mod killed for inactivity. I'm also not gonna filter dive kmatt as he is the town vig. I'm not going to bother with ika's as he is my strongest townread based on numerous games with him. He is active, engaged, trying to figure out the game, directly interacting with people instead of asking them to come to him, not having trouble with reads, and is invested in the game.
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That case on ika is incredibly bad ME. I'll let him address it though but that's my opinion on it. It looks really fabricated and scummy.
bdtd-I'm here and if you think I'm avoiding the thread or trying not to do anything, then you are misrepping me badly. I have no problem addressing all your points in detail and anything else anyone wants to talk about.
First, I don't believe your roleblock claim because you lied about being the doc getting the real doc lynched, then claimed cop, then claimed VT, then claimed cop, then VT and now you say you are roleblocked. I don't believe a word you say. I think you should be lynched. Period. You've been lying all game. You have been flailing ever since. So no, I'm not going to reconsider wanting to lynch you.
There is nothing wrong with my Onegu filter. I had no read on him. That's how I got one. null town just means he is leaning town but has a lot of null posts so it isn't a strong townread. I went from null to town on him and I showed how I got there. I did the same on Squishy-I had no read and kept going back and forth-so now I have one. Town should always be reanalyzing their reads and make sure they are correct. If you don't know what null town means, you need to ask me instead of making false assumptions about it. You must be o.k. with my Reps filter since you said nothing about it.
I'm not the least afraid of pressuring Onegu or doing something this day phase. That is just serious misrep and it's scummy as hell. I have been here and am willing to answer any question directed at me including discussion of my reads and posts on filters, etc. You are basically calling one of the most active players afraid to do something. Yeah, no.
You saying it's incredibly scummy that I'm not feeling well and tired is BS. I have been sick for two days and have been going to the hospital everyday for radiation therapy. DO NOT EVER go after me for real life again.
You saying my townread on ika is scummy is complete crap since you also have a townread on him. I'm not praising ika at all-again complete and total misrep. I'm explaining why I think he's town because I have extensive experience with him. As far as paranoia goes or being too sure he's town, he's my strongest townread based on nearly 100 posts he's put into this game and my experience with him. If I had said right away, I think he's town, you'd have a point but I didn't.
That last part is me telling you to give reads if your town and the fact that you didn't was me thinking you are scum. Also, you went after me for RL again. I was at the dr. office so I couldn't post more than that. If that's the only thing I posted all day, I could let it go BUT I've been doing more than that. You are just ignoring it to fit your narrative that I'm trying to look active. Considering how many posts I've put into this game, that's just completely wrong.
I believe you are selectively pointing out posts I made this day phase and shifting them to fit your narrative that they are scummy when they are clearly town oriented and that's scummy as shit. Get lynched.
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Another really weak case by ME on Squishy. Almost as bad as his ika case.
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On January 11 2017 05:54 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:23 SilverWolf77 wrote:
That case on ika is incredibly bad ME. I'll let him address it though but that's my opinion on it. It looks really fabricated and scummy.
bdtd-I'm here and if you think I'm avoiding the thread or trying not to do anything, then you are misrepping me badly. I have no problem addressing all your points in detail and anything else anyone wants to talk about.
First, I don't believe your roleblock claim because you lied about being the doc getting the real doc lynched, then claimed cop, then claimed VT, then claimed cop, then VT and now you say you are roleblocked. I don't believe a word you say. I think you should be lynched. Period. You've been lying all game. You have been flailing ever since. So no, I'm not going to reconsider wanting to lynch you.
There is nothing wrong with my Onegu filter. I had no read on him. That's how I got one. null town just means he is leaning town but has a lot of null posts so it isn't a strong townread. I went from null to town on him and I showed how I got there. I did the same on Squishy-I had no read and kept going back and forth-so now I have one. Town should always be reanalyzing their reads and make sure they are correct. If you don't know what null town means, you need to ask me instead of making false assumptions about it. You must be o.k. with my Reps filter since you said nothing about it.
I'm not the least afraid of pressuring Onegu or doing something this day phase. That is just serious misrep and it's scummy as hell. I have been here and am willing to answer any question directed at me including discussion of my reads and posts on filters, etc. You are basically calling one of the most active players afraid to do something. Yeah, no.
You saying it's incredibly scummy that I'm not feeling well and tired is BS. I have been sick for two days and have been going to the hospital everyday for radiation therapy. DO NOT EVER go after me for real life again.
You saying my townread on ika is scummy is complete crap since you also have a townread on him. I'm not praising ika at all-again complete and total misrep. I'm explaining why I think he's town because I have extensive experience with him. As far as paranoia goes or being too sure he's town, he's my strongest townread based on nearly 100 posts he's put into this game and my experience with him. If I had said right away, I think he's town, you'd have a point but I didn't.
That last part is me telling you to give reads if your town and the fact that you didn't was me thinking you are scum. Also, you went after me for RL again. I was at the dr. office so I couldn't post more than that. If that's the only thing I posted all day, I could let it go BUT I've been doing more than that. You are just ignoring it to fit your narrative that I'm trying to look active. Considering how many posts I've put into this game, that's just completely wrong.
I believe you are selectively pointing out posts I made this day phase and shifting them to fit your narrative that they are scummy when they are clearly town oriented and that's scummy as shit. Get lynched.
Why you feel the need to go through his post point by point and refute it all when 1) You think he's mafia 2) He's 1000% getting lynched today This just feels a little too defensive for my liking. Can you focus on someone besides btdt? Like what do you make of Calix/ME/B0ston etc... anyone that isn't BTDT. If you're town literally the last thing we need is to continue to tilt.
I've already said I think scum are in ME, B0ston, btdt, Kelsier group. I am going to go through yours, Calix, ME, B0ston filters before day end to make sure I still feel that way. I'm also paying attention to the Calix/ME interaction.
And why on Earth would a town member not respond to points made against them? Ignoring stuff like that is scummy. I don't care who it's from.
Like, I fully expect ika to respond to ME's points on him no matter what he thinks of ME when he get in here next.
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On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there.
Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up?
I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you.
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On January 11 2017 06:13 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 05:54 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:23 SilverWolf77 wrote:
That case on ika is incredibly bad ME. I'll let him address it though but that's my opinion on it. It looks really fabricated and scummy.
bdtd-I'm here and if you think I'm avoiding the thread or trying not to do anything, then you are misrepping me badly. I have no problem addressing all your points in detail and anything else anyone wants to talk about.
First, I don't believe your roleblock claim because you lied about being the doc getting the real doc lynched, then claimed cop, then claimed VT, then claimed cop, then VT and now you say you are roleblocked. I don't believe a word you say. I think you should be lynched. Period. You've been lying all game. You have been flailing ever since. So no, I'm not going to reconsider wanting to lynch you.
There is nothing wrong with my Onegu filter. I had no read on him. That's how I got one. null town just means he is leaning town but has a lot of null posts so it isn't a strong townread. I went from null to town on him and I showed how I got there. I did the same on Squishy-I had no read and kept going back and forth-so now I have one. Town should always be reanalyzing their reads and make sure they are correct. If you don't know what null town means, you need to ask me instead of making false assumptions about it. You must be o.k. with my Reps filter since you said nothing about it.
I'm not the least afraid of pressuring Onegu or doing something this day phase. That is just serious misrep and it's scummy as hell. I have been here and am willing to answer any question directed at me including discussion of my reads and posts on filters, etc. You are basically calling one of the most active players afraid to do something. Yeah, no.
You saying it's incredibly scummy that I'm not feeling well and tired is BS. I have been sick for two days and have been going to the hospital everyday for radiation therapy. DO NOT EVER go after me for real life again.
You saying my townread on ika is scummy is complete crap since you also have a townread on him. I'm not praising ika at all-again complete and total misrep. I'm explaining why I think he's town because I have extensive experience with him. As far as paranoia goes or being too sure he's town, he's my strongest townread based on nearly 100 posts he's put into this game and my experience with him. If I had said right away, I think he's town, you'd have a point but I didn't.
That last part is me telling you to give reads if your town and the fact that you didn't was me thinking you are scum. Also, you went after me for RL again. I was at the dr. office so I couldn't post more than that. If that's the only thing I posted all day, I could let it go BUT I've been doing more than that. You are just ignoring it to fit your narrative that I'm trying to look active. Considering how many posts I've put into this game, that's just completely wrong.
I believe you are selectively pointing out posts I made this day phase and shifting them to fit your narrative that they are scummy when they are clearly town oriented and that's scummy as shit. Get lynched.
Why you feel the need to go through his post point by point and refute it all when 1) You think he's mafia 2) He's 1000% getting lynched today This just feels a little too defensive for my liking. Can you focus on someone besides btdt? Like what do you make of Calix/ME/B0ston etc... anyone that isn't BTDT. If you're town literally the last thing we need is to continue to tilt. I've already said I think scum are in ME, B0ston, btdt, Kelsier group. I am going to go through yours, Calix, ME, B0ston filters before day end to make sure I still feel that way. I'm also paying attention to the Calix/ME interaction. And why on Earth would a town member not respond to points made against them? Ignoring stuff like that is scummy. I don't care who it's from. Like, I fully expect ika to respond to ME's points on him no matter what he thinks of ME when he get in here next. ika responding to ME is not the same as you writing a wall of text towards someone you think is scum and who is also getting for certain lynched in 3 hours lol. Yea i'm also gonna go through Calix/ME/Onegu's filters later.
I never ignore my scumreads even if they are up for a lynch. I always want them to talk as much as possible.
I'd love to get your read on Calix? You guys talk to each other a lot but I'm not sure you've said how you read her yet.
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On January 11 2017 06:19 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there. Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up? I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you. Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences. I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting. It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray.
Fair enough.
I do like the way you are questioning ME on his case on ika. It's really bad and I think he's struggling to make it make sense or be logical.
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On January 11 2017 06:29 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:24 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 06:19 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 06:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there. Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up? I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you. Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences. I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting. It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray. Fair enough. I do like the way you are questioning ME on his case on ika. It's really bad and I think he's struggling to make it make sense or be logical. I'm gonna pop off for a bit as I actually do have a headache so if you have time now then check my filter so I can read it when I get back.
Sure I'll do that next.
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One thing I do want to say is Calix and darth reactions to my defense bug me somewhat. Not that they don't have a right to think its bad but more the timing of it all and the fact they basically say the same thing about it. I don't really think these two have any suspicion of each other right now and it seems they are working together. I know Calix likes to work with her townreads as town but I don't know how darth plays. It bothers me a little bit that he might be trying to get Calix into his corner on things. That's why I asked him for his read on her.
I just want to throw this out there for now. It not a huge issue. I think a much bigger issue is ME's inability to case a scumread.
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On January 11 2017 06:35 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:24 SilverWolf77 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 11 2017 06:19 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there. Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up? I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you. Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences. I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting. It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray. Fair enough. I do like the way you are questioning ME on his case on ika. It's really bad and I think he's struggling to make it make sense or be logical. Why are you so focused on ika ? She's questioning my case on reps, not on ika. She didn't even question my case on ika, she dismissed it almost immediately.
Because I think the case was bad and I think you are having trouble articulating a case on him that makes sense. You started with fuck this guy, lets lynch him. Then you went to RL issues witch are NAI. Some of your points I want him to address so I'll leave those out. You're right. She said your ika case was mediocre and dismissed it. I still like her questioning of you on Reps case because that was also pretty bad as well.
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Calix: Just gonna flesh out the major points.
I don't think her saying her low activity play is 10 times better than most people's play as something she'd do as scum. IIRC, she's far more passive as scum than town. Her last town game was very aggressive.
I like how she's immediately jumping into the game pointing out scummy things. She's making a lot of observations on things that stick out to her and I find myself agreeing with most of them. She always comments on the major things going on and isn't afraid to question people with direct points. Town points here.
This post bugs me a bit because it's very passive of her. Like, instead of pushing her point home, she just backs off:
On January 07 2017 01:57 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote:
So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers If you think playing 20 questions sucks then I'll let you do something else. I'd rather take a nap or something than have a lengthy discussion tbh lol.
I don't want to sound too full of my self but she does have a soft defense of ika and myself as town or not scum indicative on the things others are pointing out. I think if she was scum she'd want at least one of us gone by either mislynch or kill and she's doing nothing to make that happen. If anything, she's stopping any kind of lynch.
She's got 9 pages of filter and most of it is really trying to drive the game forward and except that one post and her being a little too agreeable with darth, I'd say she's solid town.
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Darth:
Unlike Vivax, I don't think his suspecting ika for the questionnaire to be bad. He explains it just fine and when questioned, he asks about other players so he's not just defending himself but trying to figure out other people as well. He is coming out with reads as well and most of his posts are questioning people or commenting on the gamestate. I don't think his paranoia of myself or ika is bad, he's got his own opinion on ME being towny and is not just going with the flow. Even though he townreads ika, he continues to question him. He may be working with Calix a little too much but otherwise I don't see anything in his filter that bothers me to the extent I'd call him scum. So he's town.
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On January 11 2017 07:53 ika42 wrote:
for anyone wondering, i do actualy read silverwolf more town for her defending herself. even if hes outed scum it would be a nice distancing tacic to try to case your scum mate cus yes its easy to go "well your scum so ignore" and thats even easier for scum to do.
the act she went out of her way to do it (as weak as it is) shows that she is invested. scum!her would jsut ignore it/.
Can you clarify if you though my defense was weak as well or you are talking about btdt's case? I can't tell what you are referencing by this wording.
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ME:
I think I've been pretty clear this game is scum. Most of his early posting is him complaining about the gamestate being confusing and not able to get a read. He gets defensive over his first vote and calls the game spammy which it isn't so this is just more excuses not to do anything and complaints. Gets irritated with me for asking for reads.
I do like his questioning of B0ston but he never follows up on it. When questioned by Calix on his abstaining his vote until the end, he first gets defensive and then later clarifies it more. It would be better if he did it right away when asked. Overall, he's a little too defensive over trivial things.
His case ika is bad. It's like he's having trouble articulating any read on anyone and in particular is having trouble with his scumreads. RL stuff is NAI and he shouldn't be scumreading off that. The rest of his ika stuff is playstyle arguments and nothing concrete. He goes after Reps for RL as well which isn't scummy. However, he has a good point that Reps didn't follow up on that one point but it's still overall a weak argument to Reps being scum because it is only one tiny comment that Reps made and he should broaden the case if he wants to convince us.
Anyway, ME is a scumread.
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B0ston:
He votes for Onegu and calls him suspicious. Later says it was just pressure. This is a conflicting read and if he wanted to pressure Onegu, he should of asked. This comes off as nervous scum worried about voting for someone.
Spends a good chunk of time explaining his lack of activity and really he does this too much and is making too many excuses not to do anything.
Acts very nervous and defensive over the first vote on him.
He calls a lot of people off but never elaborates, it's like he's having trouble explaining any of his reads or reasoning because he can't.
His point on not calling someone town for saying they are scum actually is fine. I agree with it.
Argues against lynching btdt but says he's worried it would make him look bad-he shouldn't be worried about it if he's town.
I do have a scumread here but overall his filter is very weak with not much in it so I'm gonna go with null scum.
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I really love how both the votes on me are on my scumreads and one of them was scumreading two other people and never mentioned me and both of them were in the voting thread and not mentioned here. Yeah, if one or both of them isn't scum, I'd be very surprised.
B0ston showing up at EoD again without doing anything else also strikes me the wrong way.
Again: ME, B0ston, btdt are my guesses for scum but Kelsier can also be in this group.
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ika, if you are here, what do you think of ME?
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On January 11 2017 08:45 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 08:44 SilverWolf77 wrote:
ika, if you are here, what do you think of ME? i think its a waste of breath and time. i did point out how hes inconsitent about his reason thoguh
It's a waste of breath and time to tell me what you think of ME?
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