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On January 08 2017 04:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:46 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:43 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 04:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:36 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:02 KelsierSC wrote:
yeeeehhhhhhh booooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ksc most likely town for this. he hates playing scum afaik. That's a bad read and you should know that Is this implying a scum-read? Also when are you going to respond to my post? I just figured you had fucked off. Yea no I have plenty of content going and all you do is focus on the one I don't decide on expanding on and won't for my own reasons which are explained. You could talk about anything in my filter but if you only ever choose to pick the stuff I don't want to talk about, you're not going to get a reply. If you don't want to expand on it then why bring it up in the first place? You've already seen how well that worked when Grack did something similar. FMPOV it looks like you made that read on me to doubt-cast given that it was posted after BTDT gave me a town-read and then you said that his KSC read was bad also. That's why I want to know your reasoning. Yes you see some sort of connection in why I'm bringing it up but don't want to also consider the possibility that it's simply a thought that occurred to me during the game. You might have noticed how in my analysis of DFs post I paid attention to also seeing his post as coming from a town PoV, then explained why I thought it was the more unlikely point of view. Like right now you are seeing my post as only coming from a mafia point of view where I want to cast doubt on you. But it could as well simply be true that I genuinely thought that and wanted to get the thought into the game.
That's how I play. I look for shit that makes sense from mafia POV and push that. I don't think it's a bad thing and don't need a lecture on how to play as town.
You say it's a genuine read but I don't get why town would bring up a read that they think and then be reluctant to expand on it. If you could explain that to me so I can factor that into how I read you then that would be great.
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On January 08 2017 04:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Right now I see Calix spending more time playing traffic cop than pushing her own thing, so that worries me a bit.
I'm engaging with one of my scum-reads so I don't understand how you concluded this.
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On January 08 2017 05:00 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:57 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Right now I see Calix spending more time playing traffic cop than pushing her own thing, so that worries me a bit. I'm engaging with one of my scum-reads so I don't understand how you concluded this. I guess I just haven't remembered a single push from you yet.
Then you're not paying attention. That statement is a more accurate assessment of your play than mine.
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On January 08 2017 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:02 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 04:57 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Right now I see Calix spending more time playing traffic cop than pushing her own thing, so that worries me a bit. I'm engaging with one of my scum-reads so I don't understand how you concluded this. I guess I just haven't remembered a single push from you yet. Then you're not paying attention. That statement is a more accurate assessment of your play than mine. But I don't usually put a lot of effort into pushing early game lynches and I think you usually do. I'll check later to see if that's the case.
I don't want to tunnel and I'm trying to improve on that front (like my last game on-site).
If you're reading my effort levels as AI then I have bad news for you. I'm super-busy/ diverting my energy into RL stuff (which I don't want to talk about, just saying that it's having an impact on my investment levels) so you are not going to see anything like the games that you've seen me in.
Also NU isn't in the game 
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On January 08 2017 05:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
Calix as you're easily the most active person here would you mind to drop a clear list of your top scum reads? Just names, no reasons. I want to know where you're at.
You claimed to have read my filter but you somehow missed the part where I stated that Boston, ME and Vivax/ Grack are my scum-reads??? Or the posts I made about them?
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On January 08 2017 05:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:56 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:50 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 04:46 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:43 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 04:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:36 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:02 KelsierSC wrote:
yeeeehhhhhhh booooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ksc most likely town for this. he hates playing scum afaik. That's a bad read and you should know that Is this implying a scum-read? Also when are you going to respond to my post? I just figured you had fucked off. Yea no I have plenty of content going and all you do is focus on the one I don't decide on expanding on and won't for my own reasons which are explained. You could talk about anything in my filter but if you only ever choose to pick the stuff I don't want to talk about, you're not going to get a reply. If you don't want to expand on it then why bring it up in the first place? You've already seen how well that worked when Grack did something similar. FMPOV it looks like you made that read on me to doubt-cast given that it was posted after BTDT gave me a town-read and then you said that his KSC read was bad also. That's why I want to know your reasoning. Yes you see some sort of connection in why I'm bringing it up but don't want to also consider the possibility that it's simply a thought that occurred to me during the game. You might have noticed how in my analysis of DFs post I paid attention to also seeing his post as coming from a town PoV, then explained why I thought it was the more unlikely point of view. Like right now you are seeing my post as only coming from a mafia point of view where I want to cast doubt on you. But it could as well simply be true that I genuinely thought that and wanted to get the thought into the game. That's how I play. I look for shit that makes sense from mafia POV and push that. I don't think it's a bad thing and don't need a lecture on how to play as town. You say it's a genuine read but I don't get why town would bring up a read that they think and then be reluctant to expand on it. If you could explain that to me so I can factor that into how I read you then that would be great. In the earlier post I said that it could make me tinfoil that one of the more active players is mafia. There have been past instances where I created a whole lot of fuss over nothing cause the super active player I was sure was some mastermind mafia turned out to be simply town. There's a reason I have a bunch of people quoting me as insane in my profile and that's probably the biggest. I used to like to go after very active players, completely disregarding everyone's opinion, so now I'm more conscious about that aspect and that's why I try to suppress the thought that you could be mafia this early.
Stating tinfoil isn't going to lead to disruption if you state it's tinfoil, I don't think. TT does it all the time, for example, and if you state your read now then I can clarify why you're wrong
I don't know how you play town as I've only ever seen you as mafia.
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Is it bad that reading BTDT's giant case makes me less sure that Boston is scum? BTDT doesn't point out the same things that I did, I think some of the things he said aren't scum-indicative and the only new (valid) point that BTDT brings to the table is with the last part.
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On January 08 2017 05:15 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:11 Calix wrote:
Is it bad that reading BTDT's giant case makes me less sure that Boston is scum? BTDT doesn't point out the same things that I did, I think some of the things he said aren't scum-indicative and the only new (valid) point that BTDT brings to the table is with the last part. To be fair, I don't know the exact reasons why you scumread him. But to be even more fair, I'm not too confident in my first points myself. However, reading this filter overall gives me a feeling of dodgy, lurky scum that is overexplaining things and overjustifying reads. Also, when called out (Onegu vote), he backs off. That's basically a TL;DR of what I really think but as I simply quoted his filter, I felt like I had to quote posts and explain why they are scummy.
I'm not saying that you have to know my reasoning, I'm saying that you didn't bring up similar reasons to me so we're not on the same wavelength when it comes to Boston.
Why did you feel obligated to quote posts and explain how they are scummy? Your wording in your last line is off to me.
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On January 08 2017 05:20 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But that's not the same thing. Boston said literally that he's low activity because it's under the week. He ALSO said that he'd be playing on the weekend, ESPECIALLY since he enjoys playing the game so much. But he's not doing so. I'm calling him out on that mainly to summon him to the thread if he's lurking but apparently that's not working. Maybe he's just out because it's saturday evening with some friends and having a beer or two. KSC on the other hand is definitely the guy to simply not give a fuck about what's going on as either alignment tbh. Like, if you say "i should be there" but aren't, I think that's fair and square and NAI, but if you say "I LOVE the game and I WILL BE THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND PLAY" and then there's no word on you - that's not cool. However by now he should be there and as active and outspoken as he promised so I assume him not being there is actually legit. hmm there must be a whole in mny thinking somewhere.
Boston legit said that he wouldn't be around until 2hrs before EOD iirc. Again, you are not reading the thread closely and this is on the guy you made a literal ISO on.
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On January 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:22 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But that's not the same thing. Boston said literally that he's low activity because it's under the week. He ALSO said that he'd be playing on the weekend, ESPECIALLY since he enjoys playing the game so much. But he's not doing so. I'm calling him out on that mainly to summon him to the thread if he's lurking but apparently that's not working. Maybe he's just out because it's saturday evening with some friends and having a beer or two. KSC on the other hand is definitely the guy to simply not give a fuck about what's going on as either alignment tbh. Like, if you say "i should be there" but aren't, I think that's fair and square and NAI, but if you say "I LOVE the game and I WILL BE THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND PLAY" and then there's no word on you - that's not cool. However by now he should be there and as active and outspoken as he promised so I assume him not being there is actually legit. hmm there must be a whole in mny thinking somewhere. Boston legit said that he wouldn't be around until 2hrs before EOD iirc. Again, you are not reading the thread closely and this is on the guy you made a literal ISO on. Not denying that. Catching up is a lot of work, and limiting myself to reading is boring, so I try to pick away at things. That has the advantage that it also gets other people to think (such as you) which again provides content to the game and makes people more readable. What's an ISO? Also you're too focused on activity. See the post I did to darthfoley and think about what I said there, I still think there are valid points.
ISO can either mean a filter or someone commenting on every single post that someone has made (this is bad).
lol at you, the person who has spent a lot of time talking about his own activity, Boston's activity, etc calling me too focused on activity xD I don't think I have been tbh.
Your wording still pings me ("pick away at things" in this incident) - it sounds opportunistic imo.
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On January 08 2017 05:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:
@Vivax-Why is Grackaroni town? I don't see anything, since he's come back to the thread to make me think he's trying to move the game forward. If anything, he's continuing to pick fights with ika and complaining about it. Reading his filter, I don't see anything that makes me want to give him a townread. No strong pushes, no strong reads, constant arguing with one of his townreads. What am I missing? It's very subjective but he's the only one who stood up for me when he didn't have any reason to if he were mafia. And I can totally understand his frustration when dealing with you and ika cause I've been through that too.
Is white-knighting not a possibility to you? Why?
As someone who has played with ika/ SW before, I think that's a typical emotion to feel 
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reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier?
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On January 08 2017 05:32 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:27 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:22 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But that's not the same thing. Boston said literally that he's low activity because it's under the week. He ALSO said that he'd be playing on the weekend, ESPECIALLY since he enjoys playing the game so much. But he's not doing so. I'm calling him out on that mainly to summon him to the thread if he's lurking but apparently that's not working. Maybe he's just out because it's saturday evening with some friends and having a beer or two. KSC on the other hand is definitely the guy to simply not give a fuck about what's going on as either alignment tbh. Like, if you say "i should be there" but aren't, I think that's fair and square and NAI, but if you say "I LOVE the game and I WILL BE THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND PLAY" and then there's no word on you - that's not cool. However by now he should be there and as active and outspoken as he promised so I assume him not being there is actually legit. hmm there must be a whole in mny thinking somewhere. Boston legit said that he wouldn't be around until 2hrs before EOD iirc. Again, you are not reading the thread closely and this is on the guy you made a literal ISO on. Not denying that. Catching up is a lot of work, and limiting myself to reading is boring, so I try to pick away at things. That has the advantage that it also gets other people to think (such as you) which again provides content to the game and makes people more readable. What's an ISO? Also you're too focused on activity. See the post I did to darthfoley and think about what I said there, I still think there are valid points. ISO can either mean a filter or someone commenting on every single post that someone has made (this is bad). lol at you, the person who has spent a lot of time talking about his own activity, Boston's activity, etc calling me too focused on activity xD I don't think I have been tbh. Your wording still pings me ("pick away at things" in this incident) - it sounds opportunistic imo. Opportunistic would mean that I do what everyone does which I clearly do not do. I pretty much hit in any direction right now. Also yes, I have talked about activity but mainly because you calling my entry shit made me explain additional stuff about it. This is again borderline close to throwing shit on each other so let's stop it here. So would you now please go and read the posts I quoted to darthfoley instead of bantering around?
Which posts are you talking about?
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On January 08 2017 05:33 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But okay. That's like one weakness in my case. Okay, point taken. What about the rest: On January 08 2017 05:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:13 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I do not think activity is AI. When it comes to low activity such as my self I try to be as substantive as possible to make up for it. B0stonSC on the other hand makes a big deal out of his activity, and his posts hold very little objective value. Thank you for presenting your views. I still hold the belief that Grack's intent to blow conversations up and to prevent people from making any progress on leads makes me feel like he is scum. I would say bad town play if he was a newbie, but he is on the veterans list. That's a major pain point. Yes, activity isn't always AI (although I think rule of thumb the more active a guy is the higher the chance of him flipping town is) but the way he's playing around his activity ("I'M HERE, I'M PLAYING, I'M JUST NOT ACTIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WEEKEND") is really weird. On January 08 2017 05:15 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:11 Calix wrote:
Is it bad that reading BTDT's giant case makes me less sure that Boston is scum? BTDT doesn't point out the same things that I did, I think some of the things he said aren't scum-indicative and the only new (valid) point that BTDT brings to the table is with the last part. To be fair, I don't know the exact reasons why you scumread him. But to be even more fair, I'm not too confident in my first points myself. However, reading this filter overall gives me a feeling of dodgy, lurky scum that is overexplaining things and overjustifying reads. Also, when called out (Onegu vote), he backs off. That's basically a TL;DR of what I really think but as I simply quoted his filter, I felt like I had to quote posts and explain why they are scummy. These ones, Calix. Because activity is one aspect of the things I'm saying about Boston, here are other things I say. Let's discuss the case so we can either lynch the person or dismiss the case as bad. I am still confident in that read (also because it's a very easy read tbh which makes it dangerous)
Ninja'd.
Yes, his apologies for his activity are scummy as hell. He did that in his very first post which is suspicious because his first instinct is to try and make a NAI thing seem less suspicious.
I thought Onegu summed it up decently when he explained the discrepancy between Boston's vote and his later justification for it.
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On January 08 2017 05:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:29 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 05:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:
@Vivax-Why is Grackaroni town? I don't see anything, since he's come back to the thread to make me think he's trying to move the game forward. If anything, he's continuing to pick fights with ika and complaining about it. Reading his filter, I don't see anything that makes me want to give him a townread. No strong pushes, no strong reads, constant arguing with one of his townreads. What am I missing? It's very subjective but he's the only one who stood up for me when he didn't have any reason to if he were mafia. And I can totally understand his frustration when dealing with you and ika cause I've been through that too. Is white-knighting not a possibility to you? Why? As someone who has played with ika/ SW before, I think that's a typical emotion to feel As mafia you want to white knight people who are influential or very unlikely to be lynched, so you will mostly attack townies who wrongly attack that sort of people. I don't really believe that I appeared to be that sort of person in the situation. White knighting people who instead are easy lynches is not what you want to do as mafia cause you are happy about any mislynch you can get over one of your teammates, so there's not really a point. It's still possible then but would be a misplay by the mafia.
Disagree on the first part as scum tend to defend townies who are at risk (because of TMI and scum guilt. Yeah it's poor play but they do it for psychological reasons more than strategic ones) and you were under a fair amount of pressure from SW/ ika. It's also a good way of looking like you're contributing. I agree that it's not optimal play but that doesn't change the fact that it happens a lot.
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On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote:
reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier? My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves.
What does "no objective posts" mean? If you had to order those reads from most to least scummy where would each player fall?
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On January 08 2017 05:41 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote:
reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier? My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves. Why is someone with no posts more likely to be scum than someone who is derailing conversations where people are trying to get reads? I dislike this sudden attention to B0stonSC. I was scumreading him too but it's a weak player and an easy push to get the vote off of the stronger players who are acting scummy as well. I can totally see mafia coming in at the end of the day and trying to push the lynch like this.
Yeah it's bugging me too. I don't trust BTDT and reps seems like he's following the "most logical" person or some shit so I don't trust his judgment either. I would rather flip Vivax/ Grack at this rate.
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On January 08 2017 05:46 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:44 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:41 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote:
reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier? My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves. Why is someone with no posts more likely to be scum than someone who is derailing conversations where people are trying to get reads? I dislike this sudden attention to B0stonSC. I was scumreading him too but it's a weak player and an easy push to get the vote off of the stronger players who are acting scummy as well. I can totally see mafia coming in at the end of the day and trying to push the lynch like this. Yeah it's bugging me too. I don't trust BTDT and reps seems like he's following the "most logical" person or some shit so I don't trust his judgment either. I would rather flip Vivax/ Grack at this rate. You don't trust me but you want to flip Vivax who I just voted.
I wrote that before I saw your vote post. I was noting that Boston's wagon gained traction rather quickly.
(consider me unvoted btw, I just cba to switch tabs)
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On January 08 2017 05:48 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:46 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:44 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:41 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote:
reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier? My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves. Why is someone with no posts more likely to be scum than someone who is derailing conversations where people are trying to get reads? I dislike this sudden attention to B0stonSC. I was scumreading him too but it's a weak player and an easy push to get the vote off of the stronger players who are acting scummy as well. I can totally see mafia coming in at the end of the day and trying to push the lynch like this. Yeah it's bugging me too. I don't trust BTDT and reps seems like he's following the "most logical" person or some shit so I don't trust his judgment either. I would rather flip Vivax/ Grack at this rate. You don't trust me but you want to flip Vivax who I just voted. re: trusting me: check the games I played. I tend to have activity spikes anyways (and I'm fully aware that I am now the one talking about activity) and I have them as either alignment. So please if you decide if you can trust me or not (D1, you cannot trust anyone I guess) don't look too much on activity. Because if you do, you will most likely get to the conclusion that you can't trust me which is wrong because I'm town.
Dunno where you got the idea that I care about your activity as I haven't mentioned yours at all iirc. My reasons for being suspicious of you are clear as day.
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On January 08 2017 06:04 B0stonSC wrote:
Onegu, my vote on you was to try and spur you into action. If I said, "Oh I'm voting Onegu to see if he'll be active" then it's not a good pressure vote.
Already explained that a vote with nothing to it is not pressure.
Do you have those reads you promised?
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