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On January 12 2017 07:33 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:33 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:27 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 02:19 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:17 Calix wrote:
I'm here but not feeling very well. Tried to filter-dive earlier but nothing will sink in -.- Hi calix, what do you think of squishy just as a knee jerk? or what I posted about him etc? (i've sort of missed you btw) Thanks, I didn't totally hate playing with you in the past either <3 I don't agree with most of your squishy reasons because they could be explained by him being new/ not knowing how people play here. Using strange logic is NAI, questioning why someone votes for a scum-read is NAI and I don't think his Onegu read by itself means a lot. Your point about him following thread sentiment is something I think holds true but you buried that among a lot of fluff points. I would like to hear your ME bad-town reason because he's one of my stronger scum-reads atm. His posts don't have a clear thought process and he admits to wanting to hide information with his vote which I don't see town motive for at all and nobody has given one. Can you explain your jump from Onegu maybe scum to Onegu prolly town? I don't have strong feelings on him - he just pops in, fires out some posts and then fucks off again and none of those posts have strong town or scum motivations imo. Yeah its a bit fluffy tbh, his grack vote though is bad vivax saw it first so i wont' claim the idea. I think hes a decent scum lean though. As for ME its so horrible, he asked the host in thread if people who die do the thread know who killed them etc. Its horrible reasoning but if he was scum he would just ask in his qt instead of hte thread more than likely or his scum coach would tel him. Totally horrible reasoning though, besides that he has a few scum signals though I remembered something about onegu, the more useful onegu is early in the game the more likely he is scum really. Its difficult to pinpoint his alignment though later in the game hes easier to read if you can get him to put work in. But its more a gut feeling with how hes approaching the game and not really caring. Umm why can't I ask the host something in thread if its not clarified in the rules ? Get lost, when I hold activity and dumb posts, against people, like ' OH I AM IN THE HOSTPIAL ' , ' OH NOW I AM TITLED NOW ' ' OH NOW I AM GETTING SCREWED OVER BY MY CAR', I get called out for it, but when I ask questions when the rules are unclear, you want to go on about it. This looks so scummy to me. Do all Mafia have to agree on a kill to make the kill pass ? Thank you.
This is one of the reasons why questions generally aren't allowed in the thread to a mod and why you should communicate privately.
And generally speaking a kill is agreed upon by a team but sometimes a "head" mafia person just selects the kill as in the dominant player just picks it. Someone suggest it and everyone goes hey bro ok.
In any sense basically you asking certain questions to the host in thread gives the sense of you not having information the mafia would have. And literally i'm sitting here going man its shitty but it probably makes him town and you say thats scummy? Lol
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That sounded confrontational and i dont' mean it to exactly.
Its just mainly about information in thread vs information mafia have. One side has much more and in the case of newbs unless your coach is 100% coaching you through it, it probably makes you town for bad reasons. Just what happens sometimes.
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On January 12 2017 07:30 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 07:21 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 03:01 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:58 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 02:44 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:42 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 01:45 Damdred wrote:Scum list: Rep is probably the scum here, early he attacks grack for strange reasonings really. Uses a bit of fear mongering to (can't let a vet scum run lose etc) justify his voting at that point. Questions people why they are voting for his own scum read at one point. His read on kel is extremely flimsy at best and seems to be keeping his options open depending on which way the thread sentiment is riding. In fact most of his filter feels that way where hes able to go with sentiment at a drop of a hat without to much. His scum reads are also on the easy side to an extent, not much else in the way of reads in his filter. The onegu post is interesting but really its picking on onegu for something (activity) which he doesn't think is alignment indicative apparently but makes it so towards other people. Just sort of weird he would probably make the case onegu posts were not substantive but thats sort of meh since it seems the lynch was decided for 72 hours as I read in depth anyway. I think ME could be scum because of some of the things I said earlier (look in my filter at taht portion) but I have a really really bad reason for thinking they could be town and honestly it probably just makes them town for a shitty reason. But not really worth talking about, not worth lynch tommorow. + Show Spoiler + While people have pointed at me for thinking btdt was a bad lynch I do stand beside that idea that he was a bad lynch, but I do understand why he had to be policy lynched for his bad play. It doesn't mean that he was a sure fire scum lynch and I think Onegu made note of that on a reread. Its probably the right play in any case after i read but just stinks.
Just as an aside I think its probably the stupidest thing in the world to cc doc as scum d1 when there is a possible vigilante in play. You would be smoked instantly an da 1-1 trade is always a loss for scum and a win for town in that situation. Sure they get the protection out of the game but more than likely they never really get a protect off anyway.
I just can never see scum making that trade, a red check d2 or later or a cc later than that yeah. I can see that sac especially if a vig is already off the table but nope never beyond that. Just my thoughts though still reading filters atm any questions i'm around I felt like Grack did not want to progress the thread, to me that is a tall tale sign of being scummy. I ask people why they have scum leads on people when they do not explain why they have those leads; "I think reps) is scummy) does not cut it. You are right that my read on Kel was flimsy, but I never tried pushing it. Yes, I pointed out 1gu's activity which I don't think is AI. That is correct. If someone is going to have low activity, I would like them to have quality>quantity. But, I feel onegu has poor activity and quality of posts. Yes, there was a policy lynch going on, does not mean we need to waste 72hrs and not find another read. Ok then what are your reads that you believe atm? With any certainty 1gu because of my prior points. No town reads or other scum reads? My townie reads are: SW, Ika, Calix, and ofc our sick play VIG Kmatt. scum: onegu, DF, ME Can you explain each of your scum reads in a one to four sentence blurb.
To add onto this I kinda want you to realy expand on DF as there really isn't much to go on in your filter about him at present.
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On January 12 2017 07:40 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 07:38 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 07:33 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 12 2017 02:33 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:27 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 02:19 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:17 Calix wrote:
I'm here but not feeling very well. Tried to filter-dive earlier but nothing will sink in -.- Hi calix, what do you think of squishy just as a knee jerk? or what I posted about him etc? (i've sort of missed you btw) Thanks, I didn't totally hate playing with you in the past either <3 I don't agree with most of your squishy reasons because they could be explained by him being new/ not knowing how people play here. Using strange logic is NAI, questioning why someone votes for a scum-read is NAI and I don't think his Onegu read by itself means a lot. Your point about him following thread sentiment is something I think holds true but you buried that among a lot of fluff points. I would like to hear your ME bad-town reason because he's one of my stronger scum-reads atm. His posts don't have a clear thought process and he admits to wanting to hide information with his vote which I don't see town motive for at all and nobody has given one. Can you explain your jump from Onegu maybe scum to Onegu prolly town? I don't have strong feelings on him - he just pops in, fires out some posts and then fucks off again and none of those posts have strong town or scum motivations imo. Yeah its a bit fluffy tbh, his grack vote though is bad vivax saw it first so i wont' claim the idea. I think hes a decent scum lean though. As for ME its so horrible, he asked the host in thread if people who die do the thread know who killed them etc. Its horrible reasoning but if he was scum he would just ask in his qt instead of hte thread more than likely or his scum coach would tel him. Totally horrible reasoning though, besides that he has a few scum signals though I remembered something about onegu, the more useful onegu is early in the game the more likely he is scum really. Its difficult to pinpoint his alignment though later in the game hes easier to read if you can get him to put work in. But its more a gut feeling with how hes approaching the game and not really caring. Umm why can't I ask the host something in thread if its not clarified in the rules ? Get lost, when I hold activity and dumb posts, against people, like ' OH I AM IN THE HOSTPIAL ' , ' OH NOW I AM TITLED NOW ' ' OH NOW I AM GETTING SCREWED OVER BY MY CAR', I get called out for it, but when I ask questions when the rules are unclear, you want to go on about it. This looks so scummy to me. Do all Mafia have to agree on a kill to make the kill pass ? Thank you. This is one of the reasons why questions generally aren't allowed in the thread to a mod and why you should communicate privately. And generally speaking a kill is agreed upon by a team but sometimes a "head" mafia person just selects the kill as in the dominant player just picks it. Someone suggest it and everyone goes hey bro ok. In any sense basically you asking certain questions to the host in thread gives the sense of you not having information the mafia would have. And literally i'm sitting here going man its shitty but it probably makes him town and you say thats scummy? Lol What do you mean they are not allowed ? Did you read the rules ? It specifically says they are allowed. Can someone get me out of this game. PLEASE.
Really read what I said, questions generally aren't allowed in thread. That doesn't mean all things.
I am unsure why you are freaking out, basically you don't know something that a newb mafia member would know. I really don't understand why you are upset.
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On January 12 2017 07:47 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 07:30 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 07:21 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 03:01 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:58 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 02:44 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:42 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 01:45 Damdred wrote:Scum list: Rep is probably the scum here, early he attacks grack for strange reasonings really. Uses a bit of fear mongering to (can't let a vet scum run lose etc) justify his voting at that point. Questions people why they are voting for his own scum read at one point. His read on kel is extremely flimsy at best and seems to be keeping his options open depending on which way the thread sentiment is riding. In fact most of his filter feels that way where hes able to go with sentiment at a drop of a hat without to much. His scum reads are also on the easy side to an extent, not much else in the way of reads in his filter. The onegu post is interesting but really its picking on onegu for something (activity) which he doesn't think is alignment indicative apparently but makes it so towards other people. Just sort of weird he would probably make the case onegu posts were not substantive but thats sort of meh since it seems the lynch was decided for 72 hours as I read in depth anyway. I think ME could be scum because of some of the things I said earlier (look in my filter at taht portion) but I have a really really bad reason for thinking they could be town and honestly it probably just makes them town for a shitty reason. But not really worth talking about, not worth lynch tommorow. + Show Spoiler + While people have pointed at me for thinking btdt was a bad lynch I do stand beside that idea that he was a bad lynch, but I do understand why he had to be policy lynched for his bad play. It doesn't mean that he was a sure fire scum lynch and I think Onegu made note of that on a reread. Its probably the right play in any case after i read but just stinks.
Just as an aside I think its probably the stupidest thing in the world to cc doc as scum d1 when there is a possible vigilante in play. You would be smoked instantly an da 1-1 trade is always a loss for scum and a win for town in that situation. Sure they get the protection out of the game but more than likely they never really get a protect off anyway.
I just can never see scum making that trade, a red check d2 or later or a cc later than that yeah. I can see that sac especially if a vig is already off the table but nope never beyond that. Just my thoughts though still reading filters atm any questions i'm around I felt like Grack did not want to progress the thread, to me that is a tall tale sign of being scummy. I ask people why they have scum leads on people when they do not explain why they have those leads; "I think reps) is scummy) does not cut it. You are right that my read on Kel was flimsy, but I never tried pushing it. Yes, I pointed out 1gu's activity which I don't think is AI. That is correct. If someone is going to have low activity, I would like them to have quality>quantity. But, I feel onegu has poor activity and quality of posts. Yes, there was a policy lynch going on, does not mean we need to waste 72hrs and not find another read. Ok then what are your reads that you believe atm? With any certainty 1gu because of my prior points. No town reads or other scum reads? My townie reads are: SW, Ika, Calix, and ofc our sick play VIG Kmatt. scum: onegu, DF, ME Can you explain each of your scum reads in a one to four sentence blurb. Onegu- Plethora of direction less posts. DF- agreeing with Calix without town reading her earlier makes me think he's trying to buddy her. ME- He is really concerned on how self conscious he is about voting. Not wanting to "give away info". Ninja votes someone he did not have a case for. Possibly sheeping btdt, because he knows he is town.
ok, the df part is interesting. Could you quote some posts showing where he starts townreading her vs where hes just agreeing to buddy?
And do you think you can agree with someone without town reading them exactly anyway? Is this really Alignment indicative?
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I'm not questioning your questions. I don't know why your tilting exactly but just stop and play the game you've mod confirmed yourself as town and basically if you die and we lynch town we lose.
People live together and play all the time I can think of 3-4 couples or friends. Should just trust they haven't really cheated I suppose. So how about come play the game ya?
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I have no clue dude just tilted for no reason.
Calix what do you think of squishy scum reads currently?
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Well lets try to play a bit really,
Darth what do you think the scum team is curently?
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On January 12 2017 08:07 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Well lets try to play a bit really,
Darth what do you think the scum team is curently? Asking about scum teams when we do not have a single scum flip is retarded. In fact, I think most of your questions suck and don't actually do anything to help push things forward.
Yeah well i'm trying to get something started and get up to date reads from people instad of talking about the crap thats happening so yeah. You can think my questions suck but oh well.
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Onegu will bus if he has to especially a weaker member of his team.
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On January 12 2017 08:15 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:12 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 08:07 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Well lets try to play a bit really,
Darth what do you think the scum team is curently? Asking about scum teams when we do not have a single scum flip is retarded. In fact, I think most of your questions suck and don't actually do anything to help push things forward. Yeah well i'm trying to get something started and get up to date reads from people instad of talking about the crap thats happening so yeah. You can think my questions suck but oh well. I don't get how you can get any relevant information from the questions you've asked since they're very...vague, I guess? And don't seem to be going anywhere. But I'll bite. What have you gained from what you've asked so far?
Actually got squishy to name scum reads instead of just harping on about onegu so far, DF especially doesn't make sense from his filter as he has nothing in it that would indicate a scum read currently. Nothing to much about ME either, and his attitude towards both in the thread really doesn't scream I think you are scum.
Darth replies looked ok and really reasonable coming from town. especially his williness to not force reads, he hasn't had a lot of experience s scum and lots of inexperienced scum try to shoehorn reads to make it seem like they are doing a lot.
So i've gotten some decent stuff so far to add to my thoughts.
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Which the shoe horning reads to make it look like you are doing things kmatt is a good fit for that. His reads post that has a lot of nulls with easy town reads for no reason.
I could see a squishy, kmat and boston "team" as in each are interesting.
Like if you look at Kmat somewhat scum read on boston (associative I know) it seems a bit TMI (most of his reads feel this way with the ease though). It just is interesting right now.
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I just don't believe it tbh, I think its a really bad shot if he is a vig and there is no real change in his filter that goes from town reading or leaning vivax to wanting to kill him.
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On January 12 2017 08:32 Calix wrote:
Also not impressed that your scum-team are all the new, inactive people who are not going to have many associative tells since they hardly ever post unless prompted to.
Which is another reason why trying to find the entire scum team this game is a terrible idea. If you're wrong on even one then the scummers can just get a ML on them.
I don't know why you think i'm sold on that 100% i've clearly shown multiple times i never settle for a scum read and let the people proove themselves to me one way or another.
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Also obviously if hes vig he shoots the person who gets the confirmed medic killed...instead of you know the person he was town reading earlier?
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On January 12 2017 08:39 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 07:40 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 07:30 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 07:21 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 03:01 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:58 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 02:44 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:42 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 01:45 Damdred wrote:Scum list: Rep is probably the scum here, early he attacks grack for strange reasonings really. Uses a bit of fear mongering to (can't let a vet scum run lose etc) justify his voting at that point. Questions people why they are voting for his own scum read at one point. His read on kel is extremely flimsy at best and seems to be keeping his options open depending on which way the thread sentiment is riding. In fact most of his filter feels that way where hes able to go with sentiment at a drop of a hat without to much. His scum reads are also on the easy side to an extent, not much else in the way of reads in his filter. The onegu post is interesting but really its picking on onegu for something (activity) which he doesn't think is alignment indicative apparently but makes it so towards other people. Just sort of weird he would probably make the case onegu posts were not substantive but thats sort of meh since it seems the lynch was decided for 72 hours as I read in depth anyway. I think ME could be scum because of some of the things I said earlier (look in my filter at taht portion) but I have a really really bad reason for thinking they could be town and honestly it probably just makes them town for a shitty reason. But not really worth talking about, not worth lynch tommorow. + Show Spoiler + While people have pointed at me for thinking btdt was a bad lynch I do stand beside that idea that he was a bad lynch, but I do understand why he had to be policy lynched for his bad play. It doesn't mean that he was a sure fire scum lynch and I think Onegu made note of that on a reread. Its probably the right play in any case after i read but just stinks.
Just as an aside I think its probably the stupidest thing in the world to cc doc as scum d1 when there is a possible vigilante in play. You would be smoked instantly an da 1-1 trade is always a loss for scum and a win for town in that situation. Sure they get the protection out of the game but more than likely they never really get a protect off anyway.
I just can never see scum making that trade, a red check d2 or later or a cc later than that yeah. I can see that sac especially if a vig is already off the table but nope never beyond that. Just my thoughts though still reading filters atm any questions i'm around I felt like Grack did not want to progress the thread, to me that is a tall tale sign of being scummy. I ask people why they have scum leads on people when they do not explain why they have those leads; "I think reps) is scummy) does not cut it. You are right that my read on Kel was flimsy, but I never tried pushing it. Yes, I pointed out 1gu's activity which I don't think is AI. That is correct. If someone is going to have low activity, I would like them to have quality>quantity. But, I feel onegu has poor activity and quality of posts. Yes, there was a policy lynch going on, does not mean we need to waste 72hrs and not find another read. Ok then what are your reads that you believe atm? With any certainty 1gu because of my prior points. No town reads or other scum reads? My townie reads are: SW, Ika, Calix, and ofc our sick play VIG Kmatt. scum: onegu, DF, ME Can you explain each of your scum reads in a one to four sentence blurb. To add onto this I kinda want you to realy expand on DF as there really isn't much to go on in your filter about him at present. We will start with this one he does not have a town read on Calix but likes her posts. Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 05:08 darthfoley wrote:On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote:reps)squishyMade one relevant post and bailed. It's too early to call anyone hard scum on that, but if he doesn't show up soon I'll consider him on the radar. MichaelEhrmantrautWell he's not dead but not very alive either. I took forever making this myself so I can't be too rustled over the afk. Just another one passing by, null for now. ika42While the questionnaire is still NAI to me, the back and forth with Vivax looked good to me. An easy trap for mafia to fall into is to take any townread they can get. I'll go town here gesoSilverwolf77I can see why you don't like Vivax's posts, but I don't agree with you enough to vote on him as is. I do like the way you prodded here. Like Vivax said earlier, this looks more like two town bumping into each other. B0stonSCI don't like it. I wouldn't be half as bothered if he hadn't come back in to post this On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj? And then leave again doing nothing. The hasty vote looks to me like he's trying to appear useful without having done anything. If I had to commit to a vote now this guy is the perfect balance of afk and dubious, if not scummy. beentheredonethatpls GrackaroniStill waiting on more. Like with SW, I don't scumread this guy enough to vote him, but I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him. A bit too quick to jump the gun but I've done that myself and everyone plays D1 differently. If you could weigh in on the situation at hand I'd feel better. Leaning scum but not enough to vote while Boston is here. KelsierSCTown enough for me. No one post stands out enough but he hasn't caught my ire. Except that part about doubting me hOW daRe You OneguAFK. Not much more to say here, with the vote being so far off. Too early to call scum. darthfoleyHis posts are decent, but I'd like a read or two this far in. He's clearly kept up with the thread, pointed out posts he did and didn't like, but no conclusions. If you had to place your vote in the next 5 minutes, who would it be? Or who would you call against voting on? CalixNothing groundbreaking either but with how slow the game is I can't fault it too hard. Basically the same as Foley. VivaxI don't like any of his posts individually but is among the only people being active and pushing. As I said above, town arguing with town. So to conclude... not a lot. We had one little argument but nothing major came of it. Plenty of time before the vote so hopefully someone says something silly and gets a wagon going [small][small][small][small]other than me[small][small][small][small]. I question how closely you've read my posts if you think I don't have any reads. I'm townleaning SW and I like Calix's recent posts. I need more time to figure out Vivax and ika, but they're at least moving the game forward. I know his filter is small, but I feel like a new person like B0ston would be less likely to throw out a first vote on Onegu if he were scum. It's kind of pointless to talk about where I would place my vote in the next 5 minutes considering we have ~28 hours left and like 3 vets haven't really interacted with the game much (onegu, grack, btdt). That's excluding the newbies who haven't posted much either. Openly admits he is cool with sheeping with Calix Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:08 darthfoley wrote:
Also think I'm okay with sheeping you and Calix on boston if it comes to that "Show us the way master" shows that he is just going to follow what Calix will do. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 11:05 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 10:48 Calix wrote:On January 09 2017 10:40 darthfoley wrote:
No reason to go for the jackpot when we're already down a doc. Anyways there's nothing we can do about it now so let's focus on trying not to waste D2 by being super lazy and simply lynching btdt I don't think your concerns are unreasonable given that Grack and Vivax were both town. However I'm not seeing anything in your post that suggests one/ both of them are doing this on purpose as opposed to townies who were just wrong on D1. It's typical of them to tag-team their scum-reads from my experience. As it stands, it's counterproductive to tinfoil this early. Not that this has ever stopped you, of course. I'm sounding like a stodgy teacher here with lecturing but it's almost 2am, I kinda want to sleep and I think town needs a kick up the arse. Half the posts since Vivax's death have been NKA WIFOM, role speculation WIFOM and BTDT votes. Alright well show us the way, master + Show Spoiler + Finally puts a town read on Calix after my scum list came out. Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:10 darthfoley wrote:
It's kinda PoE for me ATM because I'm town reading SWika and calix
I thank you for the effort, just a couple more questions
I think a couple of those imply a town read if not overtly states it. Don't you think so? And that one quote sounds kind of sarcastic especially iwth the -_-.
But do you really think this is alignment indicative.
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On January 12 2017 08:43 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:37 Damdred wrote:
I just don't believe it tbh, I think its a really bad shot if he is a vig and there is no real change in his filter that goes from town reading or leaning vivax to wanting to kill him. It is weird, yes, but that's overruled by the whole "not counterclaimed" thing. But whatever. Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 08:32 Calix wrote:
Also not impressed that your scum-team are all the new, inactive people who are not going to have many associative tells since they hardly ever post unless prompted to.
Which is another reason why trying to find the entire scum team this game is a terrible idea. If you're wrong on even one then the scummers can just get a ML on them. I don't know why you think i'm sold on that 100% i've clearly shown multiple times i never settle for a scum read and let the people proove themselves to me one way or another. I didn't say that you were 100% convinced on that. I'm more of a "find one scum at a time until one flips" person. Dumb question, but is it common for people on this site to try and draw associations in LYLO/ MYLO with no scum flips? I actually don't know what optimal strategy for these kind of things are, lol.
Yeah but if we have a vig with a shot ready better for them nto to claim it and shoot, and the vet to only claim if they have to and try to draw a shot.
Like I just think the whole claim is bad even if its not counterclaimed, he even kinda alludes to it. And if he did stack with mafia vivax had to be onto at least one of the scum team I think.
As for that in lylo mylo its jsut better to start the game fresh tbh (maybe we will be wrong and me will turn out scum who turned suicidal maybe? kinda? no?  ). I generally don't like associative reads unless they do have common connectors really.
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Also squishy is that all really alignment indicative? Sheeping isn't necessarily just something mafia or town does right?
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On January 12 2017 08:47 Calix wrote:
I'm not seeing anything that suggests buddying, just insinuations and jokey comments that don't explicitly state "I town-read Calix"
well at least we agreed on something this thread so far.
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Yes I am suspicious of him claiming a shot on vivax, and think he could be fake claiming. But hes not worth considering in the first lylo and mafia probably have to deal with him or risk confirmed in 2 v 1 if we make it.
Currently I do think squishy is the more likely mafia atm.
And tommorow will be the day we all need to be really active to find at least one mafia I suppose.
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